She jumps it on floor already. And her 2A isn't bad. I wouldn't be surprised.
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OMG.......KAMILA!!!!!!!
I've always thought she was going to be the next evolution in figure skating and I'm thrilled she's proving me right.
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Perhaps after a learning quads, a double Axel means Kamila has to hold herself back, while in a 3A she can jump full out?
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3A, with a rippon, and such height is a very nice way to end a week
Ouch, My back hurts when watching it (the landing). Kamila needs to work core more than anything if she wants to keep her jumps whilst remaining in good health. She isn't off axis though so I don't see bad falls, but I really wish that she will correct her back position so she won't get a serious injury. Axis is more of an issue for her in the toe-jumps.
As @Skatesocs pointed out there is about 180 PR (or at least more than 90 as harder to tell with the refresh rate of the camera), But I don't think anybody cares about that considering thats the norm (although not for many of the girls funnily enough). The PR is also less noticeable as her skid is remarkably neat and quick.
To answer the question on Kamila's 2A:
In terms of 2A - 3A, it needs better timing and a bunch more rotation. You can turn any high enough 2A into a 3A if the skater has fast enough rotation (at least with men, with girls you need best talent and best coaches).
If you have learnt a jump for a long time (like Kamila with 2A), then often there is less conscious thought and you put it more down to muscle memory. You don't focus on getting technique correct, you just do it and it works. This is why I think her 2A suffered, but then she started putting more conscious thought into the 3A.
When kids first start to learn doubles they pull in very tight. As doubles get easier they get more relaxed, more open, and they are able to make it work with less efficient technique. I believe this is what happened here.
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I wonder if her flexibility causes these issues, which will get worked on (I hope). But for the off-axis 4T, I think everything goes wrong, just right from the take-off. Not sure what is up there usually.
Yes. I could only tell because of the way her skating foot lingers while the free leg shovels her upwards.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DrPa612fLRg
Look at this jump at 58seconds in slow motion, and then see if you can figure out whats wrong. Hint, look at the picking leg (and Hip) in relation to throwing leg.
Free second hint:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2s9Nt0cOZSk - this angle 6-8seconds. Picking leg and Hip alignment in the stages of the jump.
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I really wonder where the 'talent' for 3A and quads comes from. Shcherbakova's 2A looks better than Valieva's to me...was really good last year. But then you have her struggling with a 3A and Valieva is landing it before her.
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Sherbakova relies on her "unique" flip and lutz technique (Initiating rotation super early with hips even BEFORE picking.
Kamila relies on excellent co-ordination, quick grouperation and turning quickly.
Oh no, I think I noticed that, but then when she does the second 4T similarly, she seems to land it? I guess she's focusing more on it, and it might be slightly better alignment than I'm able to see (and she's certainly applying less force to make it less out of control), but that's what is confusing to me.
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Depends on many things and it seems it is very individual. Remember Sasha was originally learning 3A, but because it was unsuccesful at first, she started with quads. Anna probably concentrated primarily on returning and stabilizing her 4Lz and 4F, the hardest quads (thanks to her earlier injuries she has troubles with the toeloop and Salchow), that took her some time. Kamila has "only" 4T, so maybe had more time for 3A.
Overally, with so many girls acquiring 3A/quad currently this is the revolution that I hope won't be stopped.
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If you compare with an average 4T (even Sasha), you see after the take-off they keep their right hips lower than Kamila (squarer), then they quickly snap up left hips to have totally straight hip alignment. As Kamila's right hip goes much higher than left, and she leaves the ice from left leg slightly later (almost 3/4 on the one she fell vs about 1/2 on the one she landed). By leaving the ice later this leaves the right hip so high that she can't compensate / adjust for the landing).
Vs her second 4T:
^more height after 3/4 rotation. Hips closer to being more level. This leads to straighter grouperation and therefore more change of landing it (still a lot of unnecessary pressure into landing leg.
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3A doesn’t look so great, but it will get better with time. Hopefully Daria and Anna are next!
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Agree. I think that 2-3 years ago even having 1 quad was already something unthinkable. Rika wasn’t consistent with her 3A yet, Liza T. has lost hers. So 3A wasn’t as much of a “must” jump as it has become now, when numerous ladies are able to land it consistently in the short.
Yeah wouldn't have seen that without a better angle myself. I guess she picks in slightly lower than the first one to make it possible, but it's just not obvious from that angle to me.
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It's mainly something from experience because I've watched Kamila's 4T since it was first posted about, and from personal experience in jumping.
I've had falls (from 3T's) similar to the one Kamila did there. In fact Mine where even more on an angle (although the best ones I do are like an arrow in the air).
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They sort of must, to remain competitive by getting this advantage in the SP to be able to sometimes, perhaps, take it a little easier in the FP
Just want to give my two cents about what has been goig on here lately. Good for Kamilla landing a rippon 3A interesting discussion about hip alignment in her 4T as someone who works as a coach for lower levels I know this can be a problem when learning 2T for people with verry flexible hipps so not surprised that someone as flexible as Kamilla can have problems with that if she loses focus.
In my opinion it is ALLWAYS in bad taste for a skater och coach to complain either about their own score or someone elses in the competition in a public interview just following the event. Even if they are objectively right. If there is a serious problem the coach could take it up with the hoasting federation (RusFed in russian cup, isu for international) but not in a public interview. That just comes across as unprofessional to me. The fans are not blind and will see the same things in the cases when they are objectively right no need to point it out.
In my opinion it is ALLWAYS in bad taste for a skater och coach to complain either about their own score or someone elses in the competition in a public interview just following the event. Even if they are objectively right. If there is a serious problem the coach could take it up with the hoasting federation (RusFed in russian cup, isu for international) but not in a public interview. That just comes across as unprofessional to me. The fans are not blind and will see the same things in the cases when they are objectively right no need to point it out.
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I also want to give my opinion of Saha under her new coach.
I wouldnt say there is any major difference and I think we need to be aware that she was with Eteri for several years and plushenkos team just a few months so we will have to wait and see how this new partnership progresses and what changes are made. Changes that Ive noticed in her skating is that she tries to use more glide and perform the coreography more. This has allways been sashas weakes point and she is not yet allways successful but I hope she will continue to improve during the season. This I imagine being mostly influenced by the new team and that icedance skating skills coach she now works with. This is not to say I think Eteri isnt capable of teaching good skating skills and flow but only that it seems to be a bigger priority now with Plushenko than it was with Eteri. Part of the change can of course com from Sasha herself who has been known to prefer to train jumps as much as allowed. I feel like that is maybe something which could have changed over the last season when she realised she was held back score wise compared to Aliona who is more proficient in this area and she being fierce competitor whould want to do her best to catch up. I have no real evidence for this last statement it may verry well only be my imaginings but it would not surprise me if it where at least in part true since change in this department rarely comes if the skater themself does not desire it.
Jumpwise I think all jumps look bigger and with more speed (see first point for improved speed). However they appear a bit less secure to me. The 3A looks closer than last season and the 4T looks higher and more immpressive than ever. Sasha has deffenetly grown this summer and looks significantly taller than last season and this seems to have made her stronger. Jumpwise this is so far my biggest takeaway she is stronger than last year. This makes her jumps higher but I feel like she lost a bit of stability since the timing probably have changed a bit with this new height. With quarantine etc in the middle this will probably get better over the coming season. Wherter her increased strengtht is down to just growth or some change in traning routine is impossible for us to know and we can only speculate.
Lastly spinns here I think she has regressed but It may not be Plushenkos fault. When we grow a lot in a short time like Sasha did this summer its natural to become a bit less flexible and with the change in balance especially spinns can suffer. Add the quarantine break in to this and that can probably explain this regression. As we saw during the 2nd russian cup she lost a lot of points here so they will probably work more on this area going forward. Another potential cause for this regression is that time used to be spent on spinns is now spent on skating skills and coreography and an improvement in one area has unfortunately caused a regression in another. There is after all only so many hours of training the body can take.
Overall I think there is cause to be hopefull for a good season from Sasha
I wouldnt say there is any major difference and I think we need to be aware that she was with Eteri for several years and plushenkos team just a few months so we will have to wait and see how this new partnership progresses and what changes are made. Changes that Ive noticed in her skating is that she tries to use more glide and perform the coreography more. This has allways been sashas weakes point and she is not yet allways successful but I hope she will continue to improve during the season. This I imagine being mostly influenced by the new team and that icedance skating skills coach she now works with. This is not to say I think Eteri isnt capable of teaching good skating skills and flow but only that it seems to be a bigger priority now with Plushenko than it was with Eteri. Part of the change can of course com from Sasha herself who has been known to prefer to train jumps as much as allowed. I feel like that is maybe something which could have changed over the last season when she realised she was held back score wise compared to Aliona who is more proficient in this area and she being fierce competitor whould want to do her best to catch up. I have no real evidence for this last statement it may verry well only be my imaginings but it would not surprise me if it where at least in part true since change in this department rarely comes if the skater themself does not desire it.
Jumpwise I think all jumps look bigger and with more speed (see first point for improved speed). However they appear a bit less secure to me. The 3A looks closer than last season and the 4T looks higher and more immpressive than ever. Sasha has deffenetly grown this summer and looks significantly taller than last season and this seems to have made her stronger. Jumpwise this is so far my biggest takeaway she is stronger than last year. This makes her jumps higher but I feel like she lost a bit of stability since the timing probably have changed a bit with this new height. With quarantine etc in the middle this will probably get better over the coming season. Wherter her increased strengtht is down to just growth or some change in traning routine is impossible for us to know and we can only speculate.
Lastly spinns here I think she has regressed but It may not be Plushenkos fault. When we grow a lot in a short time like Sasha did this summer its natural to become a bit less flexible and with the change in balance especially spinns can suffer. Add the quarantine break in to this and that can probably explain this regression. As we saw during the 2nd russian cup she lost a lot of points here so they will probably work more on this area going forward. Another potential cause for this regression is that time used to be spent on spinns is now spent on skating skills and coreography and an improvement in one area has unfortunately caused a regression in another. There is after all only so many hours of training the body can take.
Overall I think there is cause to be hopefull for a good season from Sasha
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