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^ I think it's a tendency to rush into the rotation on the first 4T (but she isn't losing height). No reason why it should continue unless it becomes psychological.
 
I really wonder where the 'talent' for 3A and quads comes from. Shcherbakova's 2A looks better than Valieva's to me...was really good last year. But then you have her struggling with a 3A and Valieva is landing it before her.
I believe both Anna and Kamila's 2A were measured in international competitions last season, having roughly the same height and distance but Kamila's had much more speed coming out. Overall, I'd say 2A is one of the best jumps for both skaters. Where Anna excels is her air position, and that hasn't been measured.

Re. Kamila's 3A, I think she should just get rid of the Rippon, it's doing her no favours. Her axel last season without was much better and the Rippon just seems to make it more wild in the air while she's never had axis issues on the 2A before. Same thing for Anna and Maiia, who have also added the Rippon to their 2A this season. If Kamila can get that consistent in the short it'll be a game changer as she has the PCS and spins, and the 3A would give her a lead that would be almost impossible to make up, like it was with Alena. And she has quads in the free, but only 2, while others have many more and no 3A will run the risk of inconsistency.
 
Hope Valeriya does well in the next stage, and qualifies. The more or less definite list of contestants should be known by now.
Travel plans need to be made, tickets booked, etc etc.
Shulskaya will probably need to finish 5th. Which will be tough as she was only 6th at stage two.

However, with some skaters probably injured, and a few who might not show up, Shulskaya has a good chance to qualify to RusNats with a 6th or 7th place.
 
Kostyleva competed on the Southern Ice:
and perhaps will throw something unexpected too.

132.28. a very convincing win. 2Sp level she has outgrown.

SP 82.47 : 3Lzq+3T<<, 3F, CCoSp3, 2A, 3Lo+2T, 3Lo, 3Lzq, StSq2, FSSp3 (BV 42.70, GOE .31, PCS 39.46)
Who is her coach?
 
18 finalist / (5 stages x 18 contestants / 2) = 0.4, so out of 18 contestants each start you need at least a 7.2 'th place average finish, right?
 
Very controversial take, but I give credit for Sasha's quads and triple axel to Sasha herself first and foremost. She's one of the most extraordinarily gifted jumpers of all time, no matter who is coaching her or holding the harness for her.

There's no arguing this. Sasha's jumps were already way ahead of the time before she went to Eteri or Plushenko. She had a 3Lz-3Lo at what, 12/13? She said in an interview a long time ago that she saw Alina do it, and decided she wanted to do it, and it was ready in 1 season. It took Alina 3 seasons to get it to where it was at the Olympics.

And of course, she was the most talented jumper at Eteri's rink, and is at Plushenko's rink. For far, no one has been able to match her having all the quads, even under the same coaches.
 
Who is her coach?
She is originally from Voronezh, currently her trainer as listed in allskaters.info is Natal'ya Mityuschina, but she was at the competition with Vadim Rayevskiy, both trainers at the commercial "Ice Forum" school.


The video is already taken down by Youtube, but Studio-38 might perhaps upload it to their VK, which is safe from copyright bots?
 
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I really wonder where the 'talent' for 3A and quads comes from. Shcherbakova's 2A looks better than Valieva's to me...was really good last year. But then you have her struggling with a 3A and Valieva is landing it before her.

Consider Shcherbakova's triples in relation to her quads, a lot of people talked for the last 2 years about how small in height her triples were but then her quads are pretty equal in height to Trusova's.

And whose to say Shcherbakova doesn't have a triple axel? Just because it's not posted on social media doesn't mean its not happening, last year there were no videos of either Trusova or Shcherbakova landing the quad flip but they both came out with it at the GPF.
 
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Tip of the hat, here, to @kolyadafan2002 and @Skatesocs
Nah, that was just him.
My uneducated eye wonders: Could the axis error be a result of excessive "wind up" in the launch of the jump?
I'll try to parse your post and hit you back with the kind of terminology you're looking for later.

Kolyadafan just said that she raises her free leg too high and slams it down too hard, which means that as she's trying to snap into rotation, her right side ends up higher than her left side. This is because she didn't take her time to really think through the steps of the jump, and snaps into rotation exactly as she might when her picking is "normal" for her, even though in this case her left leg is lagging a lot more than usual, causing problems with alignment in the air.

Or do the two jumps (lutz, toe loop) employ such different techniques that there is no effective translation?
Can answer this though. I don't think a Lutz and Toe loop can really be compared. The Lutz entry is usually entirely straight- or rather we can say that it curves away from the direction of the jump. With a toe loop, you kind of curve into the direction jump, notice that turn she does into it.

There is also the difference in picking, where the free leg picks in open to the rotation in a toe loop, whereas in a lutz, your body is closed to the rotation - your picking is a lot more centred as a result.

So I can easily visualize what you've said there about momentum and torque in a Lutz, but I don't think I can apply that as-is to a toe loop.
 
I believe both Anna and Kamila's 2A were measured in international competitions last season, having roughly the same height and distance but Kamila's had much more speed coming out. Overall, I'd say 2A is one of the best jumps for both skaters. Where Anna excels is her air position, and that hasn't been measured.

Re. Kamila's 3A, I think she should just get rid of the Rippon, it's doing her no favours. Her axel last season without was much better and the Rippon just seems to make it more wild in the air while she's never had axis issues on the 2A before. Same thing for Anna and Maiia, who have also added the Rippon to their 2A this season. If Kamila can get that consistent in the short it'll be a game changer as she has the PCS and spins, and the 3A would give her a lead that would be almost impossible to make up, like it was with Alena. And she has quads in the free, but only 2, while others have many more and no 3A will run the risk of inconsistency.
Yeah, I think I was wrong about it. It's the 2As this year so far that have looked scratchy but maybe it's because of the 3A. The 2As in the JGPF and Junior Worlds were really good!

One thing I've noticed is that Usacheva and Shcherbakova slide into their 2As more. Although Kamila slid into that 3A quite a lot so I don't know if it makes a difference.
 
On the point of rippon triple axel, has anybody considered that this might be more stable for Kamila (slow her to stretch out more thus ensuring quicker/straighter rotation). Lots of people use rippons as part of their technique now rather than just a feature.
 
I wonder if her flexibility causes these issues, which will get worked on (I hope). But for the off-axis 4T, I think everything goes wrong, just right from the take-off. Not sure what is up there usually.
I was thinking that too. Her flexibility might not be her friend when it comes to jumping. I have Lipnitskaya déjà-vu's here.
 
I wonder if her flexibility causes these issues, which will get worked on (I hope). But for the off-axis 4T, I think everything goes wrong, just right from the take-off. Not sure what is up there usually.

Is her flexibility is the root cause behind the off-axis jumping? The question is going to be does that off-axis jumping become more or less of a problem when she goes through puberty - I could see it going either way.
 
Often Valieva's jumps are wild in the air. Especially 3lz and 4T. I wonder how she lands them sometimes.
I wonder if its always because of this hips alignement.
Kamilas 3Lz as improved a lot in the last 2 years. Prior to that, she was always on a tilt in the air and every time she did a 3Lz, you could expect a fall. She also has very long limbs relative to her body, so she needs to learn to control them better while jumping.
 
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