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Yesterday people asked if rippon jumps can be "easier" than normal jumps and the answer to this isnt straight forward but the physicist in me needed to give as detailed an explanation as possible. What makes a rippon jump harder than a normal jump is that to hold the position straight and strong rrequires more core strength than a normal jump since the position is longer it makes it naturaly less stable and can make jumps that tend to tilt (Valievas 4T for example) more tilted.

On the other hand if you time it correctly the uppwards movement of the arms at the takeoff can help give you extra height (compare with high jupers raising their arms when they take of in atheletics). Note that is this isnt timed right it has no effects raising your arms before takeoff or after takeoff will have no positiv impact on the jump (only a slight negative effect on jump height).
The last point has to do with rotation position. As im sure all of us know a tighter rotation position gives faster rotation. There is a term for this in physics called moment of inertia that measures how easy it is for a body to spinn. The essence here is that you want to move your weight as close to the axis of rotation (draw a straight line through your fett up through your head) as possible. This is why really skinny people often rotate faster since their wheight is closer to the axis (unfair but true). Science has shown that the most Ideal position for rotation is feet crossed, butt and tummy tucket as straight as possible and arms streched above the head with arms as close to the ears as possible with the hands together. This is the deffinition of a good rippon position. The normal rotaion position is the secon best position for rotation but the difference between the two isnt huge. The worst imaginable position is actually a camel position with the arms streched forward this is why camel spinns can often be verry slow.

So to sum up a good rippon position can give increased height and faster rotation but it requires more strength primarily in the core to hold it.
 
Which is why it is practised in those children and young teenagers who have a higher power to weight ratio and have daily full body physical exercise as practiced by Zheleznyakov.
And there seems to be a certain prevalence in training and execution by having the core and shoulder gird in addition to legs.
Russian children and youth enrolled in their specialised sports schools is beneficial system.
 
Who is currently doing Trusova's dresses?

I gather she used the old 'Targaryan' dress because her new dress wasn't ready or got rejected?

The Targaryan dress had to had its shoulders cut open and added back using 5-8 cm straps, so much Aleksandra has grown.

The new 'Northern Lights' dress for her short program didn't seem to fit properly or was uncomfortable on Aleksandra, since she was constantly hitching its front up. Thin shoulder straps look nice, but perhaps some other solution would have been better?
 
Who is currently doing Trusova's dresses?

I gather she used the old 'Targaryan' dress because her new dress wasn't ready or got rejected?

The Targaryan dress had to had its shoulders cut open and added back using 5-8 cm straps, so much Aleksandra has grown.

The new 'Northern Lights' dress for her short program didn't seem to fit properly or was uncomfortable on Aleksandra, since she was constantly hitching its front up. Thin shoulder straps look nice, but perhaps some other solution would have been better?
If I remember correctly, the original dress for the FP didn't turn out as expected - they had little time to do it or something like that, so in the end when she got the dress and tried it, it seemed to not be fitting. So, while working on a new dress, they re-constructed the old one that she used at the Russian Cup. The green dress for the SP is actually nice. I gave it a second chance, took a "closer" look and, in fact, I really liked it. The design gave me though some Tuktamysheva vibes :biggrin: To me it looked like the fitting was fine but probably Sasha wasn't used to the lower cut in the front. Generally, I wouldn't call her dresses disastrous. They are pretty ok, especially for a season like that..
 
The biography I would love to read is Tatiana Tarasova. She has had a fascinating life, going back to when her dad was a hockey coach, and then sacked. Can you imagine some of the stories she could tell?

Oh yeah, you can find a lot from past interviews, from the fact that her father forced her to become a coach when she wanted to become an actress, the running sessions at 4-5 am in the snow her and the father, how hard she worked even with Asada to make sure she got the applause at the end of all her steps sequences,...

More than a biography, i think Tarasova deserves an international documentary with some good production value behind (Perviy Kanal could do it as long as there is a translation) cause yes she is a legendary figure in Russia, but if you are not into figure skating and don't live in Russia you probably don't know her.
 
Liza's dress and SP was a pleasure! I would have had her in first.
Sofya was a little disappointed in her score I think, but her costume is awesome as well. She improved her SS it seems like.
Gulyakova's dress was my favourite though. Reminded me of a tree in wintertime.
 
Wow, wow, wow! Liza was amazing today! She was delicate, artistic and a joy to watch. I am glad that she changed her dress as this dress is much better. I also enjoyed quite a lot Anastasiya Gulyakova's performance (with amazing music cuts). Alina's performance was nice too (not Zagitova).
I think Mishin should complain for his students' scores just like Plushenko did. Liza was the best technically and artistically today. She had amazing triple axel, lutz with minimal pre-rotation and even combination 3Lz-3T with rippon. Great music, great dress. Very nice and artistic. And they put her in third place?!?
 
The hatred released in the networks against Anna, Sophia and Eteri has no limits, everything has already gotten out of control, and worse after Alina did not accept skating in her show...

When will these haters understand (although they are mostly bots) that the spins bonus will always be relevant, especially when you are someone with limited abilities without spins or transitions like trusova (when it was far behind Valieva) or as it happened today with Tuktamysheva that despite landing his 3A correctly in the rest of the PCs was far behind.
 
The hatred released in the networks against Anna, Sophia and Eteri has no limits, everything has already gotten out of control, and worse after Alina did not accept skating in her show...

When will these haters understand (although they are mostly bots) that the spins bonus will always be relevant, especially when you are someone with limited abilities without spins or transitions like trusova (when it was far behind Valieva) or as it happened today with Tuktamysheva that despite landing his 3A correctly in the rest of the PCs was far behind.

While i don't like people attacking the person specifically, I find very hard to blame the haters when the judging is so questionable.

If instead you consider haters whoever dares to disagree with the scores then it's another story and i very much disagree with this mentality cause i think the discussions around scoring, are what keeps Figure Skating a real sport.

If it becomes entirely arbitrary, that skater from that group will always win regardless of the mistakes, then it's no longer a sport, cause it's no equal, judges do not follow the rules properly and fairly.

We could go into details if you want:

- Nugumanova has beautiful spins also, i'd say better spins than Akatieva, she doesn't get the same bonus Eteri skaters get.

- I've heard previously someone telling me steps sequence calls are very strict, just one slight mistake and you lose levels, well Usacheva had a trip in one turn today, didn't lose any level in her steps sequence while the others non-Eteri skaters all get level 2 always no matter what.

- Judges are scrutinizing edges for all skaters, but Shcherbakova, and Usacheva constant inside edge on the lutz is consistently overlooked, in fact don't recall them ever getting a lutz edge call in Russia.

etc. (there is so much to say even about the underrotations, we could go on all day)
 
Really great to see Daria put out another clean program! She looks much more sure of herself and confident this season compared to last. She's probably my favorite Eteri skater so I always love to see her do well 😊

I'm really not sure what's going on with Anna's lutz-loop because she lands it so well in warmup, but it seems like the nerves get to her in competition. I mean, maybe they should think about putting the lutz-toe back in, but she's obviously capable of landing it and landing it well. We'll have to see I guess. This program is nothing special for me but she performs it really well!

I am so glad Liza T changed her dress because this one is SUCH an improvement. I'd go as far as saying it's one of the best she's ever worn. Loved seeing the 3A again too! I'm really not sure why so many people are complaining about Daria having higher TES. Yes, she landed a clean 3A but she also had 3T<, two level 3 spins, and a level 2 step whereas Daria got level 4s across the board. I feel like past competitions have taught us that your levels matter just as much as the jumps. :shrug:

I actually liked Sofia's program more than the first time I saw it, and it seems like she enjoys it a lot as well! I also could not care less about Liza N's protocols because she is wonderful and I love her :laugh:

The top three are basically tied score wise, so it's really anyone's game tomorrow. Should be quite the competition!
 
Dar'ya Usacheva - first after the short program in Sochi, Anna Shcherbakova - second, Yelizaveta Tuktamysheva - third

24 october 2020

The competition in women's single skating at the third stage of the Russian Cup in Sochi turned up the already tense intrigue.

After the short program, Dar'ya Usacheva (78.41) took the lead, Anna Shcherbakova (77.47) was behind her, Yelizaveta Tuktamysheva (77.36) closed the top three. When calculating Liza's score, a mathematical error crept in, the total was 77.36, but this did not change the placements. Winners after the first day are separated by minimal gaps, so that everything will be determined by the free program.
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Bronze medalist of the Moscow stage of the Cup Dar'ya Usachyeva cleanly performed her short program in Sochi. She jumped a double Axel, triple Lutz and a cascade of triple Flip - Toeloop. However, after the performance, the athlete spoke self-critically, said that, in her opinion, this skating run was a little worse than in Moscow, so she needs to continue working.

Yelizaveta Tuktamysheva started skating with a clean triple Axel, but there was a shortcoming on the cascade: under-rotation on the second jump. According to the athlete, for the first time this season, she got such pleasure from skating that she stumbled from ecstasy on the step sequence, but overall she was pleased with her performance.
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"Getting back the triple Axel was harder than I thought. I thought that many years of performing this jump would make themselves felt. But I realised that I had forgotten some sensations of twisting - it was hard. However, be that as it may, now I have done it and this is a good result. As for the quadruple, we are working. As soon as the jump is stable, it will be performed."

In Sochi, Lisa appeared in a new costume for her short program. More precisely, after Test Skates, she and the coaches decided to remake the white dress for Spartak.

"White looked more theatrical, so we removed the creases and gave it a different colour. This dress looks like new, although in fact it is just another version of a costume I've already shown. I really, really like how it turned out. I even skate a little differently in this costume."

The winner of the National Cup stage in Syzran, Anna Shcherbakova, made a mistake in the execution of her cascade - she jumped a triple Lutz and a double Rittberger instead of a triple one. According to Anna, this was the most offensive of all, because for these competitions she and the coaches have worked a lot on this element.
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"After the mistake, all my thoughts were only about not giving in and completing all the elements to the end, so as not to spoil the impression of the remaining program. I don't want to figure out what happened right now. Now I have one desire to rehabilitate myself tomorrow."

Anna, like Liza Tuktamysheva, slightly changed the dress for the short program.

"We cut the skirt, due to which the colour of the dress became more intense. Enhanced the colour of the gloves. The result is such a deep colour that it seems to me it blends in with strong music", Anna commented.

Anastasiya Gulyakova is fourth after the short program, Sof'ya Samodurova - fifth.
 
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"...Now I have one desire to rehabilitate myself tomorrow."
That's Anna. Though she doesn't need to feel guilty. when skating such complex programs it's always just an inch from the error and it's actually fantastic that her and other girls on her level do the mistakes so rarely. It's only sad that when such rare thing happens, some people tend to see suddenly only the mistake and the rest of the program is like nothing.

Just wait what the sunday brings.
 
Well, at least Dariya is above Anna. She deserved to be above Kamila in both SP and FP in the last Russian cup competition.
Eteri's skaters are unusually inconsistent this year with the exception of Dariya. Akatieva, Valieva and Shcherbakova all have had problems so far.
Maybe Eteri team misses the king of beauty Sergei Rozanov.
 
While i don't like people attacking the person specifically, I find very hard to blame the haters when the judging is so questionable.

If instead you consider haters whoever dares to disagree with the scores then it's another story and i very much disagree with this mentality cause i think the discussions around scoring, are what keeps Figure Skating a real sport.

If it becomes entirely arbitrary, that skater from that group will always win regardless of the mistakes, then it's no longer a sport, cause it's no equal, judges do not follow the rules properly and fairly.

We could go into details if you want:

- Nugumanova has beautiful spins also, i'd say better spins than Akatieva, she doesn't get the same bonus Eteri skaters get.

- I've heard previously someone telling me steps sequence calls are very strict, just one slight mistake and you lose levels, well Usacheva had a trip in one turn today, didn't lose any level in her steps sequence while the others non-Eteri skaters all get level 2 always no matter what.

- Judges are scrutinizing edges for all skaters, but Shcherbakova, and Usacheva constant inside edge on the lutz is consistently overlooked, in fact don't recall them ever getting a lutz edge call in Russia.

etc. (there is so much to say even about the underrotations, we could go on all day)
@Tolstoj I really don't get your lament. You have a lot of opinions, and that is fine, but I don't see any substance in your accusations.

Let's break down Anna and Liza's scores today. First of all, let's get rid of the bonuses as they are not important, and there won't be any bonuses in international competitions or at Russian Nationals.

Anna 75.47
Liza 75.36
Just +0,11 in Anna's favour and that's nothing.

Jumps:
Liza beat Anna on all three jumping passes despite having a < on the 3T.
Liza +6.99 - seven points is a lot and +5.75 is Liza's advantage for the 3A.

Spins and steps:
Liza lost a few levels, but that's nothing new, we know this.
Anna +4.42

PCS:
Liza has never been known for her great PCS but she did good today.
Anna +2.68 (not that much really, one could argue that Anna should be more ahead)

Total difference +0.11 to Anna.

So where specifically is the unfair judging? Personally, I don't see any "scandal" here.

And btw, Nugumanova got one Bonus for her last spin (not that it matters) and Usacheva got a ! call on her Lutz.
 
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