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Another set of crocodile tears. "Poor competitors - they had to tolerate 2 guests doing 2 performances each. Their world will be ruined".

One just has to remember that one of those guests is Olympic champion who won her medal fair and square without any massive outrcries. And she is both the REIGNING Olympic and world champion with the biggest household brand in Russia as of now. Isn't it obvious that the organizers would give her enough air time? Imagine that we have a gala in Korea and somehow Yuna decides to show up. Will we observe the same amount of "tears" that she diminishes "true competitors" if she is given 2 slots? It is just ridiculous.

As for Kamila, if she skates like she skated during this gala I could watch her forever. Fabulous, for the lack of a stronger word.
Agreed. (As a side note: I would LOVE to see Yuna at a gala - she could skate the whole thing haha!)

As another point, all the competitors just competed 2 programs - a short and a long before the gala in two days. They're not exactly lacking exposure haha.
 
I persomnally do not see any outrageous over-hyping or unfair favoring of Kamila Valieva. Like it or not, she is the next big thing -- of course she will get the majority of praise, criticism, and attention.

Just like Trusova, Scherbakova and Kostornaia did last year. Just like Zagitova and Medvedeva did during their hey-days, Before that, it was Juia Lipnitskaia who got all the ink (and all the pressure that goes with it).

That's skating.

(Go 'Lizaveta T. :) )
 
I persomnally do not see any outrageous over-hyping or unfair favoring of Kamila Valieva. Like it or not, she is the next big thing -- of course she will get the majority of praise, criticism, and attention.

Just like Trusova, Scherbakova and Kostornaia did last year. Just like Zagitova and Medvedeva did during their hey-days, Before that, it was Juia Lipnitskaia who got all the ink (and all the pressure that goes with it).

That's skating.

(Go 'Lizaveta T. :) )

I agree I don't think there's any over-hyping/favoring of her, but I think it's important to remember that there are many skaters that get hyped and show promise as juniors but never really lived up to the hype, expectations or their talent when they got to seniors.
 
I persomnally do not see any outrageous over-hyping or unfair favoring of Kamila Valieva. Like it or not, she is the next big thing -- of course she will get the majority of praise, criticism, and attention.

Just like Trusova, Scherbakova and Kostornaia did last year. Just like Zagitova and Medvedeva did during their hey-days, Before that, it was Juia Lipnitskaia who got all the ink (and all the pressure that goes with it).

That's skating.

(Go 'Lizaveta T. :) )
Agreed. Really the only difference between this year and any other year for Kamila was invited to senior test skates. And of course that she's skating at Russian Cup where she probably wouldn't otherwise but that also is the same for Anna, Sasha, Alena, etc. The only reason they're all doing that is that Kamila (and Daria and Maiia) don't have Junior Grand Prix (and JGPF and Junior Worlds) and really Anna, Sasha, Alena, Liza, etc don't have the GP. So most of them - not just Kamila - are skating in events they might not have otherwise. And even in a non-COVID year, Alina and Kamila would likely have skated an exhibition at Rostelecom. I think the real difference in reaction is that there are no other events.

Kamila is not the first skater to be pre-emptively crowned the next big thing and nor will she be the last. Both Eteri and Plushenko have a minor army of talented novice and baby junior skaters, each more impressive than the one before. I think the real concern is that people have grown quite fond of Alena, Anna, and Sasha - with good reason as they're incredible skaters and talents who all shine - and to see them being potentially replaced before they've even had a chance to win at Worlds is hard. But they were the next big thing for the last two to three years and replaced the ones who came before them. And COVID (so far) has no bearing on the year Kamila becomes senior eligible. We've known for at least two years that she would pose a threat. I mean at the time we thought there was a chance that Eteri would have Alina (maybe), Alena, Anna, Sasha, Kamila, Daria, and Maiia all Olympics eligible and all legitimate threats who would go from any other country (except maybe Japan for some of them). (Elizabet although she's not Russian but Eteri and co would still want her to do as well as she could and get her ready.) We've known for years that Russia has many who could win an OGM who won't even get to go - that's not counting Liza, Sofia, Evgenia, etc.
 
^ Wouldn't Kamila have been eligible for Russian Cup Stages and skated there even if there was no Covid? I remember Anna definitely skating in Russian Cup to qualify for Nationals during 2nd year juniors. Not sure about Sasha? Aliona also the year before for sure.

Edit: Aliona, Anna and Sasha all skated Russian Cup to qualify for Nationals 2019.
 
^ Wouldn't Kamila have been eligible for Russian Cup Stages and skated there even if there was no Covid? I remember Anna definitely skating in Russian Cup to qualify for Nationals during 2nd year juniors. Not sure about Sasha? Aliona also the year before for sure.
Highly likely she was eligible regardless of COVID, 14 year old skaters are allowed at senior Nationals.

Another thing people bringing up test skates - that may have been for a legitimate reason that she couldn't make it to junior test skates so they let her go to senior test skates.
 
^ Wouldn't Kamila have been eligible for Russian Cup Stages and skated there even if there was no Covid? I remember Anna definitely skating in Russian Cup to qualify for Nationals during 2nd year juniors. Not sure about Sasha? Aliona also the year before for sure.

Edit: Aliona, Anna and Sasha all skated Russian Cup to qualify for Nationals 2019.
That's why I said might not have. I actually said earlier that Alena won two stages in 2017 two years before becoming a senior. In 2020 they actually qualified to Russian nationals based on receiving a 2019-2020 grand prix assignment. And they were already seniors. In 2019 they qualified because of qualifying to the 2018-2019 JGPF. Kamila would have already likely qualified to nationals - in a non COVID year - based on her qualifying for the JGPF. The Cup is actually the last way to get in.
 
^ Wouldn't Kamila have been eligible for Russian Cup Stages and skated there even if there was no Covid? I remember Anna definitely skating in Russian Cup to qualify for Nationals during 2nd year juniors. Not sure about Sasha? Aliona also the year before for sure.

Edit: Aliona, Anna and Sasha all skated Russian Cup to qualify for Nationals 2019.

To qualify for senior Russian nationals, seniors have to skate a GP event and juniors who are age-eligible have to make JGPF.

Alena, Anna, and Sasha all qualified for senior nationals as juniors through making JGPF. They didn't need to do the senior cups but Alena and Anna (unsure about Sasha) also did them as an additional competition.

For the 14 year old juniors who do not make JGPF, they can qualify from the cup events. Same goes for seniors who did not get a GP assignment. But the cups aren't just use for nationals qualification, it's like an internal GP circuit, complete with a final.

This year it's different because there's no JGP and only the home country senior GP so they changed the rules. To my understanding, Rostelecom is not a qualifier, only the cup events. Both seniors and age-eligible juniors are doing 2 senior events and the non-eligible juniors are doing the junior cup events to qualify for junior nationals. I think senior cup events also qualify for junior nationals.
 
I think too many people are looking too in depth at the Valieva performing at the exhibition as it being some kind of blatant favoritism, it's not the first time that "promising" junior talent get invited to perform at the exhibitions. Last year Akatieva performed at GP Russia and that's when they were able to actually have an international event with more top name skaters. Alysa Liu performed at the Skate America gala a few weeks ago. And as lovely as Usacheva and Khromykh are, they don't have the quads or triple axels yet to really threaten the current top Russian seniors like Valieva is, so I can understand why she was picked to perform (and if you know my comment history I'm nowhere close to being a die-hard fan of Valieva's skating).
Great points.
 
Sofiya Akatieva's FS song:
Anastasiya Gulyakova's FS song:
Sofiya Samodurova's FS song:
 
Agreed. (As a side note: I would LOVE to see Yuna at a gala - she could skate the whole thing haha!)

As another point, all the competitors just competed 2 programs - a short and a long before the gala in two days. They're not exactly lacking exposure haha.
Not a matter of exposure to me, and was excited to see Kamila and Alina.
My compliant is purely formal.
It's not a random ex: it's a post competition gala and it's not right (to me of course) for someone not competing to have more show time.
So for me one was perfect, but two where too much.
But in the end... who cares! egoistically I would I like to have another ex today, so those little two extras were good for the fans.

On the other side i loved Alina's order in the list just before the gold medalist like she was opening the door for the winners to the "special" circle she is part of.
 
Two skates at gala. How they dare. Bell, book and candle on them. :rolleye:

I wonder whether I've ever read more ridiculous, superfluous and meaningless complaint since the grieavance about that the public library does the data back up between the midnight and 1 a.m. :laugh2:

I think people either haven't watched many galas before, or the scarcity of competitions this season is skewing people's perspective.

If I just read these posts, I would've thought Kamila competed in the actual GP against the rules or something. In which case, maybe a point would've been made. But it was an exhibition. At a single GP. With lots of precedence to point to :shrug:

Btw, there's also precedence on juniors skating at Senior Test Skates, as has been pointed out several times.
 
Kamila is gorgeous and I ADORE her but why do her and Alina get two ex spots over the actual competitors? 🙄


How dare the RusFed and their sponsors, 1TV & Rostelecom, invite the two most popular ladies' skaters in their respective categories in Russia, and give them 2 extra spots (two each, Carl!) in the gala? As if it were up to them on whom to invite in order to make the event more profitable! The insolence!!!
 
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RusFed basically issues an ultimatum to the 'newbie coach' (excerpt from an article by Olga Yermolina, RusFed press-secretary):

The Russian Figure Skating Federation (FFKR) appraised the FS performances of Alexandra Trusova and Alyona Kostornaya at the Russian Grand Prix.

...At the Grand Prix in Moscow, like at the National Cup in Kazan, Kostornaya skated the programme without ultra-с elements, jumping a 2A with a margin, which allows us to hope for the return of the triple axel.

The free skate at Megasport turned out to be cleaner than at the first tournament of the athlete, but it was not engaging enough, as in previous seasons. It is clear that the programme needs some work, but there is not much time left before the Russian championship.

...And one would just want to forget about the FS of Alexandra Trusova. The figure skater took third place after the short programme and hoped to correct the situation in the free, as it had already happened at previous starts. But the quads did not go that evening - neither salchow, nor lutz, nor toe loop ... There were a lot of mistakes in her skating - the final protocol contains 6 deductions.

However, it is worth noting that Trusova announced the most difficult content in the free programme, among all of the participants of the Moscow stage. Nobody dared to skate four quads, including the leaders of men's competitions. But to declare is one thing, and to make a competent decision, based on the readiness of the athlete, how many and what jumps are needed, is another story,” the FFKR said in a statement.
 
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RusFed basically issues an ultimatum to the 'newbie coach':

The Russian Figure Skating Federation (FFKR) appraised the FS performances of Alexandra Trusova and Alyona Kostornaya at the Russian Grand Prix.

“At the Grand Prix in Moscow, like at the National Cup in Kazan, Kostornaya skated the programme without ultra-с elements, jumping a 2A with a margin, which allows us to hope for the return of the triple axel.

The free skate at Megasport turned out to be cleaner than at the first tournament of the athlete, but it was not engaging enough, as in previous seasons. It is clear that the programme needs some work, but there is not much time left before the Russian championship.

And one would just want to forget about the FS of Alexandra Trusova. The figure skater took third place after the short programme and hoped to correct the situation in the free, as it had already happened at previous starts. But the quads did not go that evening - neither salchow, nor lutz, nor toe loop ... There were a lot of mistakes in her skating - the final protocol contains 6 deductions.

However, it is worth noting that Trusova announced the most difficult content in the free programme, among all of the participants of the Moscow stage. Nobody dared to skate four quads, including the leaders of men's competitions. But to declare is one thing, and to make a competent decision, based on the readiness of the athlete, how many and what jumps are needed, is another story,” the FFKR said in a statement.

I will take that from two opposite point of view.

1st in the merit.
On one side we have Kostornaia that won't put an unstable ultra-c element and on the other Trusova that make unstable ultra-c raining.
Thath's not consistent if we look at it from a coaching point of view, but we also have the skater's attitute (that can't be any more different) into consideration.
The is no doubt tha Aliona and Sasha are skaters of interest for the federation and that, at the moment, their result are under expectations.
Si it's right for the fed to state they want more.
It should be conceded that Sasha's trend is not new, but that was her worst senior perfomance in an important event.
Aliona's problem seems more accountable to her body more than her coach imo but his an inexperienced coach the best to help in such a moment?
(not that her past coach proved to be good at that: Julya, Zenya and Alina moved or stopped competing when it was time but she surely dealt with lot of situations. Maybe Mishin is the one that proved the most in that aspect)

In the end the fed don't care about who trains who, but expect their best prospect to skate at the top of their potential, so (rightly so I may add) the current coach of a non performing skater goes under scrutiny


On the other side (remember I think fed feds have just the merit to finance skating but I consider them a cancer for the sport with their grip on ISU to keep skating built around federations and not around skaters so take my position lightly and with a critical eye).

Anna and Sasha have the right to do what they want. The fed could select them or not for the team but that's it.
If the russian (or any other fed) loose some medal because some of his best skater make bad choices about their career I don't care at all.
I care if Sasha and Aliona as individuals end up losing opportunities because of their choices but what is really important is that it's an individual sport and their choices are theirs and theirs alone.
We as fans, the press, the fed, etc. have the right to an opinion but not to interfere.

This is where the bias come: the federation is only interested in the medal count, the skater are a mere mean to max it but there is no care for the skaters well being. If the two thing align (very possible since skaters want medals too) it's purely incidental.
 
RusFed basically issues an ultimatum to the 'newbie coach':

The Russian Figure Skating Federation (FFKR) appraised the FS performances of Alexandra Trusova and Alyona Kostornaya at the Russian Grand Prix.

“At the Grand Prix in Moscow, like at the National Cup in Kazan, Kostornaya skated the programme without ultra-с elements, jumping a 2A with a margin, which allows us to hope for the return of the triple axel.

The free skate at Megasport turned out to be cleaner than at the first tournament of the athlete, but it was not engaging enough, as in previous seasons. It is clear that the programme needs some work, but there is not much time left before the Russian championship.

And one would just want to forget about the FS of Alexandra Trusova. The figure skater took third place after the short programme and hoped to correct the situation in the free, as it had already happened at previous starts. But the quads did not go that evening - neither salchow, nor lutz, nor toe loop ... There were a lot of mistakes in her skating - the final protocol contains 6 deductions.

However, it is worth noting that Trusova announced the most difficult content in the free programme, among all of the participants of the Moscow stage. Nobody dared to skate four quads, including the leaders of men's competitions. But to declare is one thing, and to make a competent decision, based on the readiness of the athlete, how many and what jumps are needed, is another story,” the FFKR said in a statement.
I think it's a realistic assessment
 
RusFed:

"...And one would just want to forget about the FS of Alexandra Trusova..."
Professor agrees:
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