2020-21 Russian Ladies' Figure Skating

[nussnacker]

Hi guys, does anyone who the 2 girls were, the 2 in bedazzled black masks that the camera kept showing before and after Kamila?

Twins Ksenia and Daria Okladnikova.

 

[Bluediamonds09]

Kseniia and Daria Okladnikova. They're twins apparently, they competed in the first group and I guess they just hung around afterwards to watch Kamila.

Thanks. I've never heard of them ( I didn't watch entire competition), are they Team T as well? Potential?

 

[Scott512]

Did Stasya do her 2 cup events?

 

[Vilord]

Did Stasya do her 2 cup events?

Konstantinova? Yes she did. but the second one was not to good unforturnatley

 

[Anni234]

Don't know if this has been discussed, but has RusFed said that national team members can still get to nationals even with just 1 event? I do not see them leaving out Kostornaia, Tuktamysheva, Medvedeva and even T/M or B/K, who I recall only did 1 event each?

 

[readernick]

Don't know if this has been discussed, but has RusFed said that national team members can still get to nationals even with just 1 event? I do not see them leaving out Kostornaia, Tuktamysheva, Medvedeva and even T/M or B/K, who I recall only did 1 event each?

I believe they did mention something about this. They aren't stupid, and given the fact that so many skaters have been injured or sick, they would risk not having their top ladies, pairs, and dance teams at a pre-Olympic Worlds.

 

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No problem with Kamila. She is very likely to be on the Olympic podium and justifiably. There is also no doubt she will score well next year barring injury or sudden growth. It just isn’t accurate to say that she would have gotten this score internationally. A score of between 76-78 would be more likely, if clean she will certainly challenge for the top SP score but not with this performance. Everyone getting upset about people’s minor valid criticisms of Kamila feels completely free to criticize other skaters and in a much less constructive way. A bit ironic? Anyway, everyone likes different skaters and different styles. We would benefit from chilling out a bit, it’s figure skating not politics.

We all can devise our personal scores in imaginary scenarios. Mine is that Kamila's international score for her yesterday's SP would be around 80. Her BV of 37.71 would stay - if she loses levels on StSq, it would be 100% politics and we are not talking politics here. Her GOE might be a bit lower on jumps. But her spin GOE is fully deserved minus 3 points of bonuses. Hence, she would get total GOE something like 7 rather than 8.5 Then we have TES of 44.71

Her PCS of 36.96 is surely impossible so far. But she had 32.40 as a junior. And both objectively and subjectively she would get more than that now in senior competitions - 35 I would argue. This will give her the total score of 79.71 which will grow to about 83 with a clean 3A.

As for criticism, we already had this discussion. The share of praise/criticism in "Japanese threads" is just incomparable to this one.

 

[Novalis]

We all can devise our personal scores in imaginary scenarios. Mine is that Kamila's international score for her yesterday's SP would be around 80. Her BV of 37.71 would stay - if she loses levels on StSq, it would be 100% politics and we are not talking politics here. Her GOE might be a bit lower on jumps. But her spin GOE is fully deserved minus 3 points of bonuses. Hence, she would get total GOE something like 7 rather than 8.5 Then we have TES of 44.71

Her PCS of 36.96 is surely impossible so far. But she had 32.40 as a junior. And both objectively and subjectively she would get more than that now in senior competitions - 35 I would argue. This will give her the total score of 79.71 which will grow to about 83 with a clean 3A.

As for criticism, we already had this discussion. The share of praise/criticism in "Japanese threads" is just incomparable to this one.

I revised my stance. You're right: internationals judges would have given it 80-81 points (79-82 are the absolute limits when you calculate)

 

[JazzUp]

After the 2A is replaced with a 3A, and 4T2T with 4T3T, and maybe another quad added, and the programme polished to top level, one would only be able to say this to skaters trying to catch up with Kamila:

 

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Essentially, judging is a mess.

Judging can be mess when it results in controversial placements. A relevant example is Zhenya vs. Liza at Russian Cup final in 2019. Here we are talking about 50+ point margin for Kamilla.

The biggest question is who is going to be at Rusnats. The second question is in what shape those who were sick and who go to Chelyabinsk will be. And the third question is whether there will be favoritism or judges even if make mistakes will be impartial.

 

[JazzUp]

And again, really happy for Nastya - great confidence boost for her!

the winners:

 

[Scott512]

Konstantinova? Yes she did. but the second one was not to good unforturnatley

Merci beaucoup.

Stasya has been very quiet this season and I don't know what to expect from her at Nationals.

I only hope she's healthy and looking forward to Nationals because I think some of the ladies are going to be missing it this season.

 

[Vilord]

So Rusnats. I im fairly sure that all National team members will get a bye to Nationals despite missing Russian Cup events. That means:

Trusova (1st in russian cup)
Shebrakova (2nd in russian cup)
Kostornaia (12th despite only skating 1 event)
Tuktamysheva (15th despite only skating 1 event)
Gulyakova (19th despite only skating 1 event)
Medveda (no event injured and sick possibly Covid related)
Sinitsyna (Injured and skick verry little information)
Zagitova (Shows no intention of competing this season)

I Assume the first 5 Im sure will participate if they are healthy. Zagitova probably not and Medvedeva and Sinitsyna is anyones guess. That means 13-15 spots left. And here we have
3rd Valieva
4th Usasheva
5th Frolova
6th Kromykh
7th Samodurova
8th Tsibinova
9th Tarakanova
10th Nugomanova
11th Talalykina
13th Shulskaya
14th Molchanova
16th Konstantinova
17th Kostina
--- 13 skaters that are more or less guaranteed to qualify
18th Onishenko
20th Sultanmagomedova
-- Skaters probably likely to qualify or maybe get subbed in as alternates
21th Okladnikova, K
22nd Okladnikova, D
23rd Parinova
24th Andreeva

So due to all the withdrawals Konstantinova makes it. The only one not qualified who I feel should be there is Sultanmagomedova who withdrew from this competition but maybe she will get a chance Onishenko is before her in the standings but with scores in the 150s compared to her 170s so in true RusFed style I would not be surprised if she is considered 1st alternate

 

[JazzUp]

TeamTutberidze coaches given honourary plaques "For contribution to national figure skating":

Well deserved.

 

[Mawwerg]

Thanks. I've never heard of them ( I didn't watch entire competition), are they Team T as well? Potential?

No.
Probably none.

 

[GINO]

then you must have missed this chez d'oeuvre of choreography:
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JazzUp, you laughed so hard at this movement and now your favorite skater(new favorite) also has it. I think it's karma

 

[Dogo]

Well, I don't mind Kamila's hip-shimmy. It doesn't go with the music or tempo or theme of the FS at all, but at this point, if she enjoys putting it in the program and is happy with it (as Daniil is probably happy with it too) I say sure, why not?

Now, if I hear how "immodest", "unlady like", "indecent", "improper" or "immoral" it is for one young lady to shine in her hip shimmy dance moment (like it was said for some other skater this season) BUT it is completely OK for the other one, then I'll fall out of my chair laughing out loud because the bias is showing

 

[JazzUp]

JazzUp, you laughed so hard at this movement and now your favorite skater(new favorite) also has it. I think it's karma

Nope, was actually going to post it here - Kamila sending her "hi" to Sasha and Plyushenko, showing them how it should be done

p.s. Kamila is neither "my favourite", nor "my new favourite".

(she did it at the 2nd stage too, but forgot to post it then)

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Now, if I hear how "immodest", "unlady like", "indecent", "improper" or "immoral"

never said that - it just looked silly the way and when it was done by Sasha & Plyu being out of place; with Kamila - not so much (being taken from Maya Plisetskaya's Bolero performance).

 

[Dogo]

never said that - it just looked silly the way and when it was done by Sasha & Plyu being out of place; with Kamila - not so much

Between you and me, animal avatar lovers, it was some others that I was referring to.

 

[icybear]

Rus fed seems to be putting all their eggs into the Kamila 2022 olympic champion basket and its hard to argue to against that because she's hardest to nitpick of all the russian girls. Alexandra - will only work if she lands most of her quads and her pcs can be easily hammered. Alena - no 3a currently, tech on the same level as non russians. Anna - you would think Eteri would try to push Anna image a bit more, though I guess people can attack her for her lutz edges.
Kamila has the pcs and the 2 quads and she's probably going to do 3 3a if its consistent enough. Of course personally I dont think she is flawless like the Russian fed are trying to push and I have a bad feeling that all this pressure is going to end badly come 2022.