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Nugumanova did get bonuses! I remember that for sure, cause in one of the cup stages she was the first skater to get them, I think Jontor made a mistake there.
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The beginning of the 2018-2019 season? Her personal best combined total is from the middle of that season, and she was a hell of a lot more consistent in the 2019-2020 season and came close to that total several times even with no lutz. I’d call it a better season even if she didn’t have the same results (breaking 230 4 times as opposed to just once, broke 80 even without her lutz, zero falls on her triple axel, only one pop, and a much higher success rate in the short program).
Whether or not she beat Anna, Sasha, and Alena isn’t relevant to whether or not she’s capable of breaking 80 points in the short program here which is the original claim here (and I feel like that original claim is being forgotten). Kamila and the other Russian ladies are fantastic but there’s zero reason to insult Rika and make baseless claims about her form to prop Kamila up.
That's good! She definitely deserves them!
I've got to say though, the more I think about the jump bonus the less it makes sense... Having the ultra-c jumps is already a huge point booster if you land them, what's the point in giving them even more of a boost? Especially considering the fact that you don't get the bonus without landing it?
all it does is make the ultra-c skaters stratospherically out of reach of those who don't have them.
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But Sofia Samodelkina would? She's got 3A+quads too and good artistry to match.
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I wish they gave bonuses to spins, steps and choreographic sequences. I understand that they wanted to give more incentive for skaters to land quads, but now that a quad or 3A is necessary already to compete for the top, they should start to give the other side of skating more push too. I'd even argue for a +2 on step sequences and choreographic sequences because if done well, they can be the highlight of a program.That's good! She definitely deserves them!
I've got to say though, the more I think about the jump bonus the less it makes sense... Having the ultra-c jumps is already a huge point booster if you land them, what's the point in giving them even more of a boost? Especially considering the fact that you don't get the bonus without landing it?
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not to step sequences or choreo sequences, only to spins.
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JazzUp I know you are a longtime fan and can see that FCSp, FCCoSp and CCoSp are all spins and the StSq and ChSq have no bonus next to them, nor have they ever gotten a bonus point. So thus, not all elements get bonus points.??? they DO, for all elements.
Nugumanova got bonus points three times for her spins. But the score listed here is her best score from Rostelecom which was without bonuses.
Same with Tuktamysheva, she got bonus points for her 3A's, but her best score here is also from Rostelecom.
The point was to list their best scores for the season so far (without bonuses) so we can see their scoring potential at Nationals, which will also be without bonuses.
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I was tired just watching Osokina. She's a star!
Was surprised to see that Zhilina got higher PCS than Osokina here. Osokina was so engaged in the choreography and interpretation of that program. Poor Veronika unfortunately had a few trips in the program and though this was my first time enjoying one of her skates, she still does lack the engagement and expression in her programs. Just a bit confused on the PCS scoring.
Was surprised to see that Zhilina got higher PCS than Osokina here. Osokina was so engaged in the choreography and interpretation of that program. Poor Veronika unfortunately had a few trips in the program and though this was my first time enjoying one of her skates, she still does lack the engagement and expression in her programs. Just a bit confused on the PCS scoring.
Nugumanova's score listed here is from Rostelecom which was her best score.
She got 2 bonus points for her spins at stage three, but that didn't change the result.
She only got 1 bonus point at stage four, but that meant that she finished 5th instead of 7th.
Overall, the bonuses don't change things much. The only other result which would have been different is at stage two where Usacheva would have beaten Valieva without bonuses.
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So, after watching the junior ladies, it looks like Junior Nats will be a battle between Samodelkina and Akatieva. (if Kamila doesn‘t go)
At this point, I prefer Akatieva, simply because she has better lines and most importantly, posture. It may sound harsh but Samodelkina is almost unwatchable to me due to how hunched her shoulders/back are. I‘m sure she‘s a hard worker, though, and her jumping is absolutely impressive. Just my personal feelings. Bad posture ruins any skating for me, no matter how good the rest.
Akatieva‘s not as confident as Samodelkina and she‘s not as expressive either but I think she‘s very charming and fast across the ice. Also, her ultra-c look more effortless to me at the moment but again, my personal bias with Samodelkina‘s posture affecting the whole look of the jumps may be at play here.
As for the others: My two favorite junior ladies were here today! Sadly, Adelia wasn‘t perfect, so she‘s only third. I‘m hoping she shows that 4T tomorrow and moves up a spot in the FS. Her energy and enthusiasm are still so wonderful to see and she‘s always a joy to watch. Also... those spins!! I‘m not sure about the program but Adelia can make me like everything she skates to. (quite similar to Aliona in that regard)
Liza Osokina was amazing, too. I loved how she sang along to her song while skating. So much energy, personality and sass. And those skating skills! She’s literally flying across the ice. Her jumping‘s good, too, although she still wasn’t in her test skates form. That entry into the lutz is great. She really is special and it makes me mad that her quality isn‘t rewarded more. Why is she so underscored in PCS? Imo, she‘s the best at the moment of the top 4 in that regard. She has to clean up her FCSp a bit, though, she‘s losing a lot of speed on it and the position, while unique, looks a bit messy.
Zhilina is a very special talent. Congrats on the 3A+3T. Incredible jumping technique. The rest, however, is still not all that impressive to me. I don‘t see how she could ever get more PCS than Osokina when she‘s obviously less invested in her program and doesn‘t perform at all. Also, she stumbled a few times. It‘s okay, she‘s got time - but right now she‘s focusing mostly on TES and that should be reflected in her PCS. Imo, she‘s quite a bit behind all of the others in the top 4.
Sad for Alina Gorbacheva, hopefully she can bounce back tomorrow.
Overall, the standings are correct, I would probably just close the gaps a bit. Osokina should not be 5 points behind Petrosyan who made a mistake. Similarly, the PCS should be different, too, in my eyes, though I realise this is highly subjective.
At this point, I prefer Akatieva, simply because she has better lines and most importantly, posture. It may sound harsh but Samodelkina is almost unwatchable to me due to how hunched her shoulders/back are. I‘m sure she‘s a hard worker, though, and her jumping is absolutely impressive. Just my personal feelings. Bad posture ruins any skating for me, no matter how good the rest.
Akatieva‘s not as confident as Samodelkina and she‘s not as expressive either but I think she‘s very charming and fast across the ice. Also, her ultra-c look more effortless to me at the moment but again, my personal bias with Samodelkina‘s posture affecting the whole look of the jumps may be at play here.
As for the others: My two favorite junior ladies were here today! Sadly, Adelia wasn‘t perfect, so she‘s only third. I‘m hoping she shows that 4T tomorrow and moves up a spot in the FS. Her energy and enthusiasm are still so wonderful to see and she‘s always a joy to watch. Also... those spins!! I‘m not sure about the program but Adelia can make me like everything she skates to. (quite similar to Aliona in that regard)
Liza Osokina was amazing, too. I loved how she sang along to her song while skating. So much energy, personality and sass. And those skating skills! She’s literally flying across the ice. Her jumping‘s good, too, although she still wasn’t in her test skates form. That entry into the lutz is great. She really is special and it makes me mad that her quality isn‘t rewarded more. Why is she so underscored in PCS? Imo, she‘s the best at the moment of the top 4 in that regard. She has to clean up her FCSp a bit, though, she‘s losing a lot of speed on it and the position, while unique, looks a bit messy.
Zhilina is a very special talent. Congrats on the 3A+3T. Incredible jumping technique. The rest, however, is still not all that impressive to me. I don‘t see how she could ever get more PCS than Osokina when she‘s obviously less invested in her program and doesn‘t perform at all. Also, she stumbled a few times. It‘s okay, she‘s got time - but right now she‘s focusing mostly on TES and that should be reflected in her PCS. Imo, she‘s quite a bit behind all of the others in the top 4.
Sad for Alina Gorbacheva, hopefully she can bounce back tomorrow.
Overall, the standings are correct, I would probably just close the gaps a bit. Osokina should not be 5 points behind Petrosyan who made a mistake. Similarly, the PCS should be different, too, in my eyes, though I realise this is highly subjective.
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I haven't watch the skates neither th protocols. But If I remember well bonuses are given for straight +4,+5 GOE. Did someone got +4,+5 GOE on step sequence, choreo-seq and didn't get bonus? That's the argument?
I don't think there is bonus for Step Sequences. At least Kostornaia didn't get any bonus for her steps in the short at stage 4 though she had GOE+4 across the board.I can hardly imagine a bonus for a choreo sequence, that would be pretty weird to me, but leveled elements receive bonuses if skated on lvl 4 while receiving GoE +4/+5 across all the panel.
It's always been a mystery to me how she does that! Lucinda Ruh, the mother of all spins, used to accelerate as well. I guess it's a talent that very few skaters have.
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Liza T did too. Just not in the highest score which is used here. These scores for both Liza's are from Rostelecom Cup which didn't have bonuses. Jontor is just comparing highest scores so the highest scores in the cases of both Liza's came without bonuses because they were at Rostelecom Cup
They are. She's a bit sloppy with holding her positions long enough so she often loses levels. She's such a great spinner so it's odd that they are not always level 4s.
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