Yes, this similarity is truly amazing. Three, in general, ordinary skaters, overrated by the federation and the name of their coach. In addition, all three have a problem edge for Lutz, which the judges unanimously prefer not to notice.
What you are forgetting here are the GOE reductions there is -1 to -3 for travelling and also -1 to -3 for loss of balance. They are essentially the same thing in the instace of Petrosyans spinns since the traveling is down to a loss of balance for the first few revolutions. Its not to bad and she does fix it after a few revolutions without losing to much speed so I would say its probably just a -1 here. So if you ended up on +3/+4 you should reduce it by -1 IMO and end up on +2/+3 which still isnt bad GOE but not enough to get tha bonus.Thank you for the videos!
Hm. And you're right, there is some pretty obvious traveling in those spins. I understand that bonuses are given for spins with all 4s and 5s? From a feeling while watching, I'd probably give +4 to the second spin (so a bonus) and +3 for the first one. (no bonus)
Let's take the ISU guidelines again and check whether my feeling was right.
1) good speed and/or acceleration during spin
2) good controlled, clear position(s) (inc. height and air/landing position in flying spin)
3) effortless throughout
4) maintaining a centered spin
5) creativity and/or originality
6) element matches the music
For the first spin (CCoSp4), I think she definitely checks the first three bullets. The spin's not centered, so she doesn't get bullet point 4. Points 5 and 6 are the hardest because they're the most subjective. Is the spin original/creative? She's flexible and her positions are great but for me, they're not exactly unique, we've seen many ladies with spins like that. Originality or creativity, for me, would mean something like Osokina's spins. So, it's basically the last point that decides whether or not she'll get +4 and a bonus. There are moments when I felt the spin matched the music, for example, when she changes position and moves her head upwards (at around 1:12), I think, right to the musical accent. Also afterwards, when the music picks up and she raises her leg (at around 1:22-23). However, I felt that this was not timed perfectly. I can't explain why but she was either a split second too fast or too late (can't tell from watching). Either way, it wasn't quite as well done and with the traveling and other imperfections (+my personal bias going into this exercise), I wouldn't award her that GOE point and thus no bonus either.
Now, the second spin (FCSp4) travels when she takes her first position but unlike the first spin, it's perfectly centered afterwards. As for the bullet points:
I'd say she checks the first three easily again. Again doesn't get the fourth due to travel. I also wouldn't call it original or creative. It's a beautiful spin but one we've seen a lot before. The last bullet point is a similar case to the CCoSp. The way she enters the spin certainly matches the music quite well (at 1:52-1:54). But later there's a very obvious cue and the music (1:59-2:01) changes but she stays in the very same position, not acknowledging this at all. So, I probably wouldn't give her that bullet point either.
Which is...interesting. I basically end up with +3 for each spin even though, during my original watch, I easily considered her spins to be +4 to +5 material. I do think they still are, in principle at least. If she centers them again - like she normally does - she's already at +4. If I wasn't so strict with the sixth bullet, she'd also reach +5 easily. The thing is, the last bullet is mostly about the choreography, not the skater themselves. I'm still not sure whether I judged correctly here - I realise it's very hard to match a spin so that it fits every musical cue.
So, I'll stop that novel now. It is a fascinating exercise, though, to judge by personal opinion first and then go check with the rulebook. Shows how difficult it actually is to apply all those criteria in real time (I'd say it's actually impossible). And the thing is - I just like Adelia's spins, I find their speed and flexibility aesthetically pleasing. Meaning: if I was a judge and judging this in real time, I'd hit those +4 and +5 buttons easily and without really thinking whether she actually fulfilled all the necessary criteria. So, yeah... I kinda understand where the bonuses are coming from, even if it's probably not quite right?
wouldn't you know, London Theatre Prima Ballerina Natalia Osipova (also ex-Bolshoi Theatre prima ballerina) complimented Valieva's Bolero, saying she sees how program is progressing in accents and presentation, and said Kamilla did very well with itthose nostalgic about the good old times of 'long held spirals' Caro-style, should be happy to see Kamila 'overspiralling' Caro herself
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yes- a 2 time world champion, 2 time olympic silver medalist, undefeated for 2 years straight. how utterly ordinary.Yes, this similarity is truly amazing. Three, in general, ordinary skaters, overrated by the federation and the name of their coach. In addition, all three have a problem edge for Lutz, which the judges unanimously prefer not to notice.
Forgetting about Zhilina, just because she pulled a Trusova?
Very true. For all of her faults, Medvedeva is still the standard when it comes to winning. None of Eteri's other students were as consistent as Medvedeva and not one remained undefeated for 2.5 years.
Just in case people might get confused with the multiple London-based ballet companies, Natalia Osipova dances with the Royal Ballet. Ramil Mekhdiev is from the Igor Moiseev Ballet, which is actually a folk dance group (they're pretty cool, look them up on Youtube!). Ramil still performs but is diversifying into choreography for skaters (he's been seen at competitions with Sokolovskaya singles skaters and Zhovnirsky pairs teams - handsome man, can't miss himwouldn't you know, London Theatre Prima Ballerina Natalia Osipova (also ex-Bolshoi Theatre prima ballerina) complimented Valieva's Bolero, saying she sees how program is progressing in accents and presentation, and said Kamilla did very well with it
So did soloist of ballet n.a. Moiseev and choreographer Ramil Mekhdiev, he called the program 'interesting and memorable', and said he sees how Kamila can grow further in the program. Very stark difference to opinions of many on the internet
)Thank God for a good spiral. Kamila has a much much better spiral than Kostner does. It was something I noticed very quickly with Kamila. Almost all top skaters, and not just Russian, have really bad spirals. Holding it or not isn't only what I think about. It's that they don't have the flexibility or control to do it well, so that their leg is closer to perpendicular than being vertical. Almost Karen Chen level if not already there.those nostalgic about the good old times of 'long held spirals' Caro-style, should be happy to see Kamila 'overspiralling' Caro herself
Get a grip. Calling a two-time World Champion, a junior who is competing with ladies at the highest level in the world, and a 12 year old “ordinary” and “overrated” is senseless, uncalled for, and delusional. Especially in the context that it was simply a conversation about similarities in their aesthetic of their skating and performance.Yes, this similarity is truly amazing. Three, in general, ordinary skaters, overrated by the federation and the name of their coach. In addition, all three have a problem edge for Lutz, which the judges unanimously prefer not to notice.
I mean if she was consistently landing 2/3 quads a program that would be called "pulling a Trusova", but she is quite inconsistent overall. At her very best (4Lz, 4T, 3A) she could probably beat all of them. For Valieva, Akatieva and Samodelkina, for all competitions they've attempted quads or 3As so far, they've been successful most of the time.Forgetting about Zhilina, just because she pulled a Trusova?
I think they are Karen Chen level, but since Karen has the spirals right on musical accents, it seems even more impressive than it already is.
It's possible, but the Cup final is still something like a consolation prize. Cup stages are qualification for nationals (to some point with those absences), so it's a question whether she would go there. And if not, her season would finish at senior nationals with the pause till the next september, I don't think that's what is desired.
First of all, Petrosyan and Usacheva are not overrated by the federation. Especially Petrosyan, considering she hasn't even had a proper international debut yet. Second of all, I don't understand what the lutz similarity is about? There are a lot of skaters who flutz! There are a lot of skaters who also don't get called! And having one bad lutz doesn't mean the skater is bad. That's literally one jump out of the thousands of other factors in skating.Yes, this similarity is truly amazing. Three, in general, ordinary skaters, overrated by the federation and the name of their coach. In addition, all three have a problem edge for Lutz, which the judges unanimously prefer not to notice.
