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It depends really, posture is sometimes very related to the personal body physiology. It wouldn't be fair to judge skaters (overall) based on the look of their body, on their natural posture.

That's what I thought too. She has a rounder clavicle & acromion, and maybe bigger deltoid muscle... which makes her shoulder appear a certain way, opposite of the "preferred aesthetic". (😬 oh gosh, how to be politically correct about this?).

Costumes can mask or accentuate certain aesthetic as well.

I kept looking for said bad posture during her FS and couldn't see it, but I'll go have a second look with pickier eyes.
 
That's what I thought too. She has a rounder clavicle & acromion, and maybe bigger deltoid muscle... which makes her shoulder appear a certain way, opposite of the "preferred aesthetic". (😬 oh gosh, how to be politically correct about this?).

Costumes can mask or accentuate certain aesthetic as well.

I kept looking for said bad posture during her FS and couldn't see it, but I'll go have a second look with pickier eyes.
The biggest example is just the takeoff of the 3A for me. It's very hunched over. The rest of the program is fine in my eyes.
 
Is Sergei Davydov the same height as Sofia Samodelkina?
Davydov with Samodelkina

Possibly, though I will say photographs can be misleading, there were pictures at the first cup stage where Shcherbakova and Khromykh were together and in some of the pictures they looked to be about the same height and in other pictures Khromykh looked to be a good 3-5 inches taller than Shcherbakova.
 
That's what I thought too. She has a rounder clavicle & acromion, and maybe bigger deltoid muscle... which makes her shoulder appear a certain way, opposite of the "preferred aesthetic". (😬 oh gosh, how to be politically correct about this?).

Costumes can mask or accentuate certain aesthetic as well.

I kept looking for said bad posture during her FS and couldn't see it, but I'll go have a second look with pickier eyes.
She does looks down to the ice before the second jump in combination, but I don't see any said hunch posture elsewhere. I must add that I like her first four jumps very much. Entry to the 3A was unique, tight air position and tidy landing. The Rippon 4S has crazy rotation speed and I love how she approaches it without hesitation, the consecutive three-turns although a common entry ia much faster than what we usually see with a quad sal. The rippon 3F has nice steps into the entry, good flow and smooth landing. Quickly followed by a 2A with a highkick exit, also smooth running edge. Her step sequence also caught my eye with the amount of ice coverage and a lot of upper body movement, its pace flowing well with the beat or music. Very precious and well.
The second part of the skate is slightly messy, she went off sync with the music after the stepout and could regain it until the second combo. After that she went off sync again with the two spins so there's still room for improvement.
 
The biggest example is just the takeoff of the 3A for me. It's very hunched over. The rest of the program is fine in my eyes.
I found quite a few of her takeoffs to be hunched. (the 4S is better) She also hunches down between her combos. However, many skaters do this. She certainly isn't alone. It probably helps the skaters to gain height but I don't find it as aesthetically pleasing as other skaters who are able to gain height from a more upright position. This is actually the primary improvement I noticed in Trusova's jumps when she switched to Plushenko. Trusova has always been a very talented jumper, but less hunching makes the jumps look better. Sofia obviously needs to use the technique that helps her to be reliable in her jumps. My not finding it as aesthetically isn't of primary importance. If she wants to improve this, I am sure she is working on it already.

Her posture at other times isn't the best. I have terrible posture and while I have improved my posture to a certain degree through exercises and determination, I will never have Sofia Akatieva's ideal posture. (that girl is goals!) As the previous poster mentioned it is often genetic.
 
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I wonder why people rarely do the backward 3 turn to a 3A like Sofia did. I've only remember/seen spread eagle entries as variation. Hanyu is the only one I know doing the counter entry.
 
I wonder why people rarely do the backward 3 turn to a 3A like Sofia did. I've only remember/seen spread eagle entries as variation. Hanyu is the only one I know doing the counter entry.
Back 3 turn can get very swingy with free leg if not controlled, but can gain extra though-fare momentum if done properly.

Kevin Aymoz does backwards counter (or has done in SP since 2017 I believe).
 
I wonder if that's just because the majority of fans aren't of Armenian heritage. A bit like how some Europeans seem to think all Asians look the same, and some Asians seem to think that all Europeans look the same.
Maybe someone could ask Rafael Arutunian or Artur Danielian for their opinion.

I don't think anyone thinks they look the same, just more similar than the other girls. It was obvious that Adelia and Kamila look more like Evgenia and Alina than the other skaters. And it makes sense given their ethnicity.
 
I found quite a few of her takeoffs to be hunched. (the 4S is better) She also hunches down between her combos. However, many skaters do this. She certainly isn't alone. It probably helps the skaters to gain height but I don't find it as aesthetically pleasing as other skaters who are able to gain height from a more upright position. This is actually the primary improvement I noticed in Trusova's jumps when she switched to Plushenko. Trusova has always been a very talented jumper, but less hunching makes the jumps look better. Sofia obviously needs to use the technique that helps her to be reliable in her jumps. My not finding it as aesthetically isn't of primary importance. If she wants to improve this, I am sure she is working on it already.

Her posture at other times isn't the best. I have terrible posture and while I have improved my posture to a certain degree through exercises and determination, I will never have Sofia Akatieva's ideal posture. (that girl is goals!) As the previous poster mentioned it is often genetic.
I wouldn't say it's the genetic differences that we're seeing here. Sofia, Anna, and Alena all have very good posture in their upper bodies and a lot of it has to do with how they hold and move their heads and extend their necks when they're moving through the choreography.

Kamila's is quite good as well, but I don't notice it much as her very long arms are the focus.
 
Does anyone here know of known names among current or recent seniors or juniors who started off with or at least spent some time with Alexandr Samokhvalov en route to the big schools? Whom is he currently coaching besides Polina? t.i.a.
 
I wouldn't say it's the genetic differences that we're seeing here. Sofia, Anna, and Alena all have very good posture in their upper bodies and a lot of it has to do with how they hold and move their heads and extend their necks when they're moving through the choreography.

Kamila's is quite good as well, but I don't notice it much as her very long arms are the focus.


Posture can be bad in two ways (probably more but here are the two most common issues):

Chronic - tight back and a genuine issue that no concentration can fix. Needs lots of physiotherapy and stretching etc.

Unfocused - if good posture is not in your muscle memory, you have to pay attention and control the posture constantly. If you don't focus, it reverts to the "default" bad posture unless good posture is your nstural habit.
 
On Samodelkinas Posture. When looking at her I dont think she has genetically bad posture since it is fine sometimes but especially before jumps she lowers her head and hunches her shoulders. However I will agree that in those moments its asteaticly unpleasing and its the kind of thing that will hurt her GOE on jumps which are otherwise really good. It seems more like a bad habit than any chronic problem to me but bad habits can be hard to break and I hope its something they work on continously since it gets harder to fix the longer you have been doing it.
Anyway congrats to Sofia S for setting the highest score so far in the juniors this year and qualifying for junior nats despite only skating one competition
 
Call me crazy (and I am just a beginner as a skating fan) but I kind of like Samodelkina's posture heading into the 3A. It's very athletic-looking. Its like she's about to tackle someone, or she's a Hollywood stuntwoman and is about to jump through a sheet of glass. It's all the more remarkable, then, that she can be so graceful at other times.

But don't get me wrong, I love the Akatieva approach to her 3A as well. I have watched and re-watched so many times the approach in her short program from her first Cup event. It's pretty much the standard for an axel, I gather, but she does it so beautifully: the lean is just right, the opening of the arms and then the re-closing, the shift of weight when she goes from the right foot to the left. And of course her posture is a big part of the beauty of it; that can't be denied...
 
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