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Plushenko: "What is happening is absurd."

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Pale said:
Anna's quads were fully rotated. No need to make up a call that fits your agenda when you don't have any arguments left
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:rofl: Great message. Very well reasoned.

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MintGreen said:
It seems like this is going on in circle. My point is that neither you or me know if he had presented evidence to Rusfed or not. Then why you insist that "he accused judges of bribery without presenting any evidence."?
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Unless he has provided evidence his claims are baseless, saying “well you don’t know if he HASN’T provided evidence” is just empty, circular reasoning.

It’s like saying “how do you know the judges haven’t already provided him tons of evidence that they were judging fairly?”
 
Fluture said:
Maybe it doesn’t but it still makes him look less credible. Imo, what’s needed is an "outsider“ who "doesn’t have a horse in this race“ and can look at it at least somewhat objectively but is still involved with figure skating. But I doubt this is going to happen.

In the end, I just hope this doesn’t backfire (even more) on Sasha and Aliona. They don’t deserve to be punished if the fed doesn’t like Plushenko‘s comments....
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The Russian judges won't forget his comments. It may be held against him and them. But I don't think that will be a factor in international events if we ever get back to them. The problem is if Sasha and aliona are slightly low low-balled in Russian events that may hurt one or both of their qualification for a European world or Olympic team. Especially next season when KV is eligible for all senior events.
 
I'm confused. I was under the impression he claimed he had evidence and was going to present it to the fed?

He doesn't?
 
It’s hard to actually prove judging malfeasance.

It’s like match fixing in tennis. Everyone in the know knows who the fixers are. But how many are actually caught and banned?

Even if he is right here, good luck proving it.
 
alexocfp said:
It’s hard to actually prove judging malfeasance.

It’s like match fixing in tennis. Everyone in the know knows who the fixers are. But how many are actually caught and banned?

Even if he is right here, good luck proving it.
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Banned?! Lol, Russian/Eastern european judges have been found cheating internationally and still come back. In Russia, they would surely let any domestic judging shadiness slide.
 
starlight97 said:
I wish Alena had been smarter than changing to Plushenko at all, but especially last minute after closing window, 1.5 years before the Olympics.
Yes, he may grant more individual demands to his skaters, yes he has money and can buy her sponsors, yes in Eteri's group everyone follows the same fixed system no matter if 16yo GPF champion or 8yo nobody BUT, now she is in the middle of this petty mess.
I can only pray the judges will not punish her for Plushenko's behavior as well, on top of Sasha.

If you like Eteri's methods or not- she brings the best results. And no, this is not cause she bribes the judges and holds their wives hostage or whatever he comes up with, it's because they are the best skaters. They rack up the most points. Period.

Did they "favor" Kamila and Anna over Sasha by giving them higher GOEs and PCS? Maybe. Maybe Kamila and Anna were simply better in that department.
Would Sasha have deserved a final score that was 5 points higher? Maybe. Wouldn't have changed a thing.
Overall, the podium placements were exactly fair.
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Unfortunately it was not just plushenko, Aliona herself made some controversial comments too.
Stating that "the judges were harsh to her at the test skate, and how she was expecting to receive lower scores at the Russian cup because she had left Eteri" is not going to sit well with the judges.
She's clearly showing her opinion on how the judges are doing their jobs (kindly vs harshly), or how they might be more biased toward a certain coach.... As a competitive skater you should keep your opinions to yourself.
I'm pretty sure every skater out there Yuzuru, Nathan, Alina, Evegenia, Anna, Sasha... they all think that judges were harsh to them on certain occasions but they refrain from expressing their opinions publicly.
 
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So...what I'm learning from this thread is...if something's unfair and unjust then rather than fight to change it you should sit down, shut up and let it keep happening?

The only ones who benefit from that are the one's who get away with it. It's easy to shrug off if your favourite isn't the one getting screwed.

If judges are going to give ridiculous scores like a 0 for Sasha opening combo they should either have the guts to explain why clearly or admit their bias and work hard to overcome it.

It was just the one judge this time, but next time it might be more and if that's the case it will result in someone not getting a medal they deserve.
 
This type of “subtle and small bias” placed on the skaters and its aftereffects are worrisome. This time people could say, yeah, the gap is more than they should be but it doesn’t change the results so why bother. Next time, people would say, it happened last time and it happens this time and what to complain about. Then eventually it will be taken as a fact that such a huge gap is justifiable. Let alone it only takes a couple of points or less to flip the results in many competitions.

The scores in the enhanced protocol, particularly from judge no.6, show that how many points a single judge is able to manipulate within one’s power. To me, this is absurd and it is a disgrace. Based on Sasha and Daria’s performance, and 16 BV difference, if you don’t think that is an issue, I can only say that we have very different understanding in fair judgement.
https://skatingscores.com/2021/natrus/ladies/long/

Sasha and Plushenko have a lot of areas to work on. The edge call on the 3F is a good warning sign. However, I can’t see how it is fair to give the lutz jumps of other top skaters a free pass at the same competition. Insisting edge calls on Sasha’s 3F is justifiable but saying there are no issues with the uncalled jumps and Plushenko is a loser and hypocrite to dare to bring it up sounds a double standard to me. It is one thing to not like a coach or the style the coach. It is another thing to completely dismiss the existence of the unfair treatment of a very prominent skater.
 
anonymoose_au said:
So...what I'm learning from this thread is...if something's unfair and unjust then rather than fight to change it you should sit down, shut up and let it keep happening?

The only ones who benefit from that are the one's who get away with it. It's easy to shrug off if your favourite isn't the one getting screwed.

If judges are going to give ridiculous scores like a 0 for Sasha opening combo they should either have the guts to explain why clearly or admit their bias and work hard to overcome it.

It was just the one judge this time, but next time it might be more and if that's the case it will result in someone not getting a medal they deserve.
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It is very unprofessional of a skater or a coach to publicly label judges as harsh or unfair when doing interviews.
If they have actual concerns with proper evidence, instead of publicly whining and complaining, they should discuss the issue with people who are in charge of evaluating the situation and let those people decide if things were fair or unfair.
Skaters and coaches should keep their personal opinions to themselves. They are there to be judged BY the judges, they are not there to pass judgements ON the judges. If they are interested in evaluating the judges and bringing justice to skating, they should quit skating and apply for positions that will allow them to do that.
But in their current positions, due to the conflict of interest, it would be unethical to express their personal opinions.
 
Anoosheh said:
They are there to be judged BY the judges, they are not there to pass judgements ON the judges.
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So, basically a judge can be as obviously biased as Judge #6 at Nats and Sasha should just suck it up?

If complaining about something like that is poor sportsmanship...well call me John McEnroe because "You cannot be serious!"

Judges have the most important job in figure skating, determining who wins, if they can't take the time to be professional in their judgements the sport might as well pack it in now.
 
Anoosheh said:
Unfortunately it was not just plushenko, Aliona herself made some controversial comments too.
Stating that "the judges were harsh to her at the test skate, and how she was expecting to receive lower scores at the Russian cup because she had left Eteri"
is not going to sit well with the judges.
She's clearly showing her opinion on how the judges are doing their jobs (kindly vs harshly), or how they might be more biased toward a certain coach
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No, basically she said 'I was so surprised by such a high score because I've read some things in the social media and had some fears because of that'.
So she actually claimed that the judging is unbiased and all the stories about 'receiving lower scores because she had left Eteri' are b/s.
 
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sinus said:
No, basically she said 'I was so surprised by such a high score because I've read some thing in the social media and had some fears'.
So she actually claimed that the judging is unbiased and all the stories about 'receiving lower scores because she had left Eteri' are b/s.
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Maybe things got twisted in translation? That's how the title of the interview is translated.
Alena Kostornaia: “I had a fear to get lower scores because of my transfer to Plushenko”

From reading the last part of the interview I get the impression that she thought the judges were unkind during the test skate and as a result she went into the competition thinking the judges would be harsh again, but she was actually surprised to see they were fair.

Hopefully what she said got lost in the translation and that's not what she actually said. Because the hidden meaning behind those words is "I was expecting some bad judging, and I'm very surprised to see fair judging". The judges will not take that comment as a compliment.
 
Anoosheh said:
The judges will not take that comment as a compliment.
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Well maybe they should work at that? Skaters don't believe judges are biased for no reason, as other posters have pointed out pretty much every skater has been totally lowballed by one or more at some time or even all the time.

I don't like the idea that judges can make crappy judgements and get off Scott free because it's "bad sportsmanship" to call them out. Why should they get away with it? If I mess up at work I'll get called on it, why shouldn't they?
 
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