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Oh I'm not really bothered by Russian coach drama anymore, it's sort of inevitable :LOL: But in pairs and dance (and more so when non-Russian) it's not so usual to find gaslighting and shade throwing, so when it does happen I want to run away and hide...

I don't think it's an exclusively Russian phenomenon, as it's also quite uncommon to be CW in Japan too. It seems to depend on the coach's views and training convenience. If you have busy group training sessions and jump the other way it's a bit dangerous/difficult, and some coaches find it hard to teach CW if they themselves are ACW. My previous rink in the UK had maybe 20-25% CW skaters (rather high), but also happened to have many CW coaches. My CW coach could teach me ACW but had to demonstrate his own way.

Aha, thank you! I had found this thread in the forum:


But I didn't sufficiently appreciate this big "cultural" difference between nations and that it could have something to do with the crowdedness of the rink. I found a video of this Pluschenko student Titova jumping 2A in both directions, let me see if I can find that...
 
Oh I'm not really bothered by Russian coach drama anymore, it's sort of inevitable :LOL: But in pairs and dance (and more so when non-Russian) it's not so usual to find gaslighting and shade throwing, so when it does happen I want to run away and hide...

I don't think it's an exclusively Russian phenomenon, as it's also quite uncommon to be CW in Japan too. It seems to depend on the coach's views and training convenience. If you have busy group training sessions and jump the other way it's a bit dangerous/difficult, and some coaches find it hard to teach CW if they themselves are ACW. My previous rink in the UK had maybe 20-25% CW skaters (rather high), but also happened to have many CW coaches. My CW coach could teach me ACW but had to demonstrate his own way.
If I'm not mistaken in Japan it's directly banned to train clockwise jumps because of crowded ice rinks. If I'm not mistaken Satoko is naturally clockwise jumper and when she was training in the United States in her younger age she jumped clockwise, but after her return to Japan she had to re-learn to counter-clockwise.
 
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If I'm not mistaken in Japan it's directly banned to train clockwise jumps because of crowded ice rinks. If I'm not mistaken Satoko is naturally clockwise jumper and when she was training in the United States in her younger age she jumped clockwise, but after her return to japan she had to re-learn to counter-clockwise.

Indeed, there was discussion of that in the thread I just linked to. Totally fascinating!

In the game of baseball (some of overlap here with figure skating, since it's played in some of the FS countries, like the U.S., Japan, Korea) kids are often encouraged to learn to bat left-handed, because this gives them an advantage against right-handed pitchers (and most pitchers are right-handed).

So you have these two different systems where there are pressures for people to go against their natural tendencies, and two different reasons for the pressures. In baseball it's about strategic advantage between opposing players; in figure skating it's about accommodating coaching systems and rinks.

[Happy to let this go! There is the constant tension between following up interesting ideas and staying on topic within the thread. I don't want to get a bad reputation...]
 
same class perfectly acceptable drugs
L-carnitine
What is reported is that it helps with concentration and endurance, in addition to an unfair training advantage as it results in easier recovery from training, allowing you to take on a greater load.
What is unfair about training more staying healthy? Shouldn't it be recommended to everyone?
I have nothing against drugs like these myself if they were legal.
You are right, in my opinion. I think no sane person should be against such drugs. Now why is it made illegal instead of being made universally accessible?
Salbutamol in small dosages makes breathing easier, so also helps training and competing. It is allowed for everyone. In high dosages Salbutamol produces stronger muscles, working almost like hormones. So in high dosages it is prohibited. This is logical.
Meldonium ban is totally illogical. Wikipedia tells me one of the reasons for the ban was its suspiciously (!) universal usage in sports in Eastern Europe and some other countries as opposed to the West.
 
L-carnitine

What is unfair about training more staying healthy? Shouldn't it be recommended to everyone?

You are right, in my opinion. I think no sane person should be against such drugs. Now why is it made illegal instead of being made universally accessible?
Salbutamol in small dosages makes breathing easier, so also helps training and competing. It is allowed for everyone. In high dosages Salbutamol produces stronger muscles, working almost like hormones. So in high dosages it is prohibited. This is logical.
Meldonium ban is totally illogical. Wikipedia tells me one of the reasons for the ban was its suspiciously (!) universal usage in sports in Eastern Europe and some other countries as opposed to the West.
With Meldonium it depends on the performance enhancing capabilities during performances/matches IMO. There is something shady about any drug where you need to take more for important events.

L-Carnitine isn't a good example because it's also found naturally in the body and you can find it naturally in food. WADA does place a limit on how much can be in your blood.
 
L-carnitine

What is unfair about training more staying healthy? Shouldn't it be recommended to everyone?

You are right, in my opinion. I think no sane person should be against such drugs. Now why is it made illegal instead of being made universally accessible?
Salbutamol in small dosages makes breathing easier, so also helps training and competing. It is allowed for everyone. In high dosages Salbutamol produces stronger muscles, working almost like hormones. So in high dosages it is prohibited. This is logical.
Meldonium ban is totally illogical. Wikipedia tells me one of the reasons for the ban was its suspiciously (!) universal usage in sports in Eastern Europe and some other countries as opposed to the West.
There're a lot of illogiacal things. For example they have the same list of banned substances for track and field athletes and for chess players. :)
 
With Meldonium it depends on the performance enhancing capabilities during performances/matches IMO. There is something shady about any drug where you need to take more for important events.

L-Carnitine isn't a good example because it's also found naturally in the body and you can find it naturally in food. WADA does place a limit on how much can be in your blood.
Even with valerian roots tea, you will need to take more for an important event if you are nervous. 😁 But no point in arguing, now that it is banned, athletes must comply. My doubts are about the reasons for banning it. Sorry, here let's agree to disagree. I see shady reasons, not a shady substance.
 
According to this page: https://allskaters.info/competition/2020-2021/

The Moscow qualifier for the younger junior nationals begins a week from tomorrow.
are there any entry lists published?

Well, if only the lively Edwin hadn't decided to go walkabout, or something, just before Christmas, hse would have been continuing to regale us all here with oodles of interesting news, pics and videos about the various regional and junior competitions that had/have been taking place around Russia and the FSU these past three weeks, results and lists, to keep all who follow Russian Ladies here in the know.

Hse would, for instance, have informed us that, in the long programme of the competition (CSKA Ded Moroz), which hse was in the middle of reporting to us at the time hse, um, absented hermself, TT's Luba Rubtsova did indeed take bronze overall. Hse would have told us about Liza Osokina's clean sweep of gold in her class, and Rita Basyliuk's fine performances.
Uhoo Edwin, are you out there? We need you here to pull this thread back on track with a diversity of snippets about Russian Ladies FS, when it gets bogged down in the rehashed debates and gossip. One of the more valuable contributors to this particular thread when present.
 
He would, for instance, have informed us that, in the long programme of the competition (CSKA Ded Moroz), which hse was in the middle of reporting to us at the time hse, um, absented hermself, TT's Luba Rubtsova did indeed take bronze overall. Hse would have told us about Liza Osokina's clean sweep of gold in her class, and Rita Basyliuk's fine performances.
It's funny how I actually watched the entire SP. I believe it was almost one million girls in different categories. But the next day Russian Nationals began and I entirely forgot the whole thing.

Few days later I thought: "Oh yeah, there probably was a free program as well" 🙃
 
I think I remember this outfit from an adidas commercial last year, but I may be wrong. Is it a new video?

edit: Yes, it must be old, the teacher looks like Ludmila Borisovna. Still sad, she was so lovely and contributed so much.
 
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