2020-21 Russian Ladies' Figure Skating

[bouncy]

Choosing team for Euros/Worlds is one thing, but leaving 6th place Nats finisher (3rd place senior finisher!) out of National team funding for the whole next year would very unfair, dirty move. Rules say 6 top at nats get there.
Watching Nugumanova's Insta and Tiktok, you can see how important getting on the team was for her. You just can't mess with people's livelihood matters like that, I imagine she could easily sue them before civil court and win.

I like that idea hehe. We know the federation has played it dirty all the way - how come they haven't been sued?

 

[flanker]

Indeed. Kamila was probably "overshadowed" a bit by Anna, because Anna's performance was so unexpected and overwhelming. I guess Eteri's bet at Nationals was on Kamila, and once Kamila's score was out, Eteri must be thinking "mission accomplished", and be very happy. If Kamila goes to Junior Nationals, she will win, no question, although I would prefer her not going, because she is skating as a senior now.

Well, it is interesting that at the start of the season there were voices against Kamila, Daria and Maiia skating at senior cup stages, now there are voices against their skating at junior competitions. How can a simple man like me recognize what is right? (I'm not saying it was you, it's just a little joke ).

Now, Anna, Sasha and Aliona also skated both at junior and senior championships (Aliona twice), Alina before them and many other skaters (Ksenia...). I know, there were junior worlds ahead, but still I don't want them to skate last serious competition of the season in december, because even if that team competition will take place, it still will be more like a makeshift, maybe fun (I hope), but with not much impact or importance (I presume).

 

[sinus]

Valieva and Usacheva won't go to the Junior Nationals, they will participate at the team event scheduled at Feb 6.

 

[Novalis]

Well, it is interesting that at the start of the season there were voices against Kamila, Daria and Maiia skating at senior cup stages, now there are voices against their skating at junior competitions. How can a simple man like me recognize what is right? (I'm not saying it was you, it's just a little joke ).

Now, Anna, Sasha and Aliona also skated both at junior and senior championships (Aliona twice), Alina before them and many other skaters (Ksenia...). I know, there were junior worlds ahead, but still I don't want them to skate last serious competition of the season in december, because even if that team competition will take place, it still will be more like a makeshift, maybe fun (I hope), but with not much impact or importance (I presume).

There will be the Russian Cup Final. And I see that as kind of a "Russian Nationals vol 2"

 

[Novalis]

Valieva and Usacheva won't go to the Junior Nationals, they will participate at the team event scheduled at Feb 6.

There's that novice competition coming up and I read that Rubtsova and Dvoeglazova will take part in the older age category. But no Sadkova. I bet TeamTutberidze already knows: she's flying to Krasnoyarsk.

 

[Lunalovesskating]

Really...?!!

Alina is the most accomplished female skater in Russia

I would say that title belongs to Irina Slutskaya. 9 European medals, 6 World medals, 2 Olympic medals, 9 GPF medals.

 

[flanker]

There will be the Russian Cup Final. And I see that as kind of a "Russian Nationals vol 2"

There will, but Kamila and co. don't fight for the entries at senior worlds (I guess all the seniors with a chance for medal still hope the worlds will take place).

 

[zounger]

Really...?!!

Alina is the most accomplished female skater in Russia, she's also the third most accomplished female skater in the world.
I don't think it's possible for someone "who doesn't enjoy competing" to reach such incredible heights in any sport.

Don't pay too much attention. People confusing Alina not being happy with how she was criticized during that period with the actual state of enjoying the competitions, which she did.

 

[macy]

Wow Irina has even more medals than Yuna Kim and Yuzuru Hanyu... Does that make her a more accomplished skater than those two?
Maybe in your eyes but not in my eyes.

medals don't lie. they are a pretty direct indicator as to how successful someone was. but why are you bringing Yuna and Yuzuru into this when the initial statement was regarding Russian ladies skaters?

If Irina has the most medals, which were scattered across the most prestigious events in the world, why would this mean she isn't the most successful Russian female skater thus far? Medvedeva can't even measure up anything close to this and she's probably the most decorated Russian lady of the last 10 years. this doesn't mean you can't like another skater more of course, but going by medals i'd say Irina has it.

 

[Scott512]

Totally agree, I fear too that Nugumanova will get nothing next season, which will be really really sad.

My fear is that RusFed will just ignore this season and go on old World Standings. Which means Samodurova is safe because she still lives on her European win. But is this fair? I love Sofia, but she just haven't delivered what is needed since then. And the likes of Nugumanova, Tsibinova and Talalaikina all beat her at Nationals. (And Nugumanova also beat her at Rostelecom, the others didn't have the chance). These girls need international recognition too! And GP assignments!

And as much as I hate to say it - how long are RusFed going to support Medvedeva and Zagitova - two skaters that hasn't showed us anything this year. If they get National Team spots before Nugumanova I will be really disappointed.

We'll see what happens. I can't imagine HOW the RusFed will choose. I'm afraid though I will not like it...

If Zhenya can show she's fit and lets the fed known she still wants to compete I can see them holding events for her. I don't see that for Alina. I used to think she would compete again but the last 6 months of change my mind and I don't think she will. Nugu should get her national team spot and I dont mean as an alternate the way Nastya was. Being an alternate is obviously meaningless. It's time for the federation to start rewarding this Saint Petersburg ladies on e in a while. As much as I like Maya and Dasha I do not want to see them get a national team spot ahead of little Liza.

Make Maya and Dssha the alternates.

But this could all be a moot point because we dont know if there is even going to be a next season at this point with Grand Prix events.

 

[alexocfp]

Valieva and Usacheva won't go to the Junior Nationals, they will participate at the team event scheduled at Feb 6.

Smart decision. These 2 have nothing to prove in juniors anymore.

They showed they can hang, and then some, with the lionesses at seniors.

 

[Scott512]

Well, it is interesting that at the start of the season there were voices against Kamila, Daria and Maiia skating at senior cup stages, now there are voices against their skating at junior competitions. How can a simple man like me recognize what is right? (I'm not saying it was you, it's just a little joke ).

Now, Anna, Sasha and Aliona also skated both at junior and senior championships (Aliona twice), Alina before them and many other skaters (Ksenia...). I know, there were junior worlds ahead, but still I don't want them to skate last serious competition of the season in december, because even if that team competition will take place, it still will be more like a makeshift, maybe fun (I hope), but with not much impact or importance (I presume).

Lol!

If KV Maya and Dasha skated at Junior Nationals several 13 year old girls could get squashed and pushed out of the top five. That's the reason people don't want KV Maya and Dasha skating at Junior Nationals. And I agree with them. Obviously that would be a great event for those three. TTers. Unless they lost to a thirteen-year-old Sofia and it would be a disaster.

This junior Russian Nationals is a great chance for a couple girls to move up the ladder.

I also think the Federation wants to show the world and the ISU that they have a few girls at age 13 who do not need to wait until age 17 to become seniors. Especially SA SS and VZ.

 

[nussnacker]

Valieva and Usacheva won't go to the Junior Nationals, they will participate at the team event scheduled at Feb 6.

Ma gurl Maiia though... she's probably gonna go to get another try at landing her quad

 

[macy]

Did you even read the comments?
The conversation wasn't about Irina vs Medvedeva.
It was about Irina vs Alina.

EDIT:
I brought Yuzuru and Yuna into the conversation as examples that it's not the quantity of medals that counts but it's the quality.
During those 10 years that Irina was competing she couldn't get that gold medal that Alina has in her collection. And I'm pretty sure she would gladly trade in all those silver and bronze medals she's collected over the years with an OGM.
As much as people like to belittle Alina's OGM and say there's no difference between that and other medals out there, the athletes themselves think otherwise.

no one is belittling any of Alina's accomplishments. just because someone has won more medals than her doesn't take away she won the biggest title there is to win.

and it's pretty bold to assume that Irina would trade all 26 of her medals for an Olympic gold unless she has said so herself. Many skaters end up satisfied with what they have achieved, even if they didn't reach their biggest goal.

 

[macy]

They are... You are not doing this... but there are so many cases of this all over the internet, it's sickening.

i agree with that, Alina has gotten a lot of hate she doesn't deserve. i was only referring to this discussion with her and Irina.

 

[nussnacker]

https://www.instagram.com/p/CKB94cZqtwH/

One more participant to Anna’s dance challenge!

 

[Thrashergurl]

Oh my. My comment very clearly stated that Medvedeva is the most accomplished of the ladies currently competing. Alina isn’t currently competing, unless we all missed the memo.

 

[Lechat]

Valieva and Usacheva won't go to the Junior Nationals, they will participate at the team event scheduled at Feb 6.

I think it´s fair since they participated in the senior category.

 

[brakes]

I know Rusfed can do whatever they want promoting one skater at the cost of the other, but I don't think they're going to mess with national team funding for Nugumanova. It could be career ending decision for her, really.

 

[flanker]

Oh my. My comment very clearly stated that Medvedeva is the most accomplished of the ladies currently competing. Alina isn’t currently competing, unless we all missed the memo.

I'm sorry but somehow I don't see a meaning of the term "currently competing" where you see it.

no one is belittling any of Alina's accomplishments. just because someone has won more medals than her doesn't take away she won the biggest title there is to win.

and it's pretty bold to assume that Irina would trade all 26 of her medals for an Olympic gold unless she has said so herself. Many skaters end up satisfied with what they have achieved, even if they didn't reach their biggest goal.

As for the accomplishments, on the olympics the rank of countries is counted by the gold medals, then silver medals, then bronze medals. The system works the way that any number of silver medals can't overcome the gold. In the similar way IMO Alina's achievement of winning gold at every of the four most important international competitions (plus junior plus domestic) is IMO more than a number of other med(t)als at competitions.