This is a genious ideaMaybe nine volunteers on GS could assemble into a "panel of judges" for some competitions and make the "local" scores (plus eventually 3 more for tech panel)
2020-21 Russian Ladies' Figure Skating
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Did I not say that I score PCS a lot (and I mean A LOT) lower than the judges? Same with GOE. Honestly, very few triples at this competition could garner that "good height and distance" point. The highest SS I gave was to Liza Nugumanova for this event. No one else even touched 9 (Daria was the closest with 8.85). No one got above a 9.50 for the FS in any category. If I were to re-judge Euros, she'd probably also score way lower (same with Alyona and Sasha). And why are we comparing my scoring (which is inaccurate and biased and has no weight in this world) to actual scoring? And why are we comparing a domestic event to an international competition?Anna received 159 at Europeans with one fall one DR and one UR jump (and still had higher PCS than the one graciously given by you). So, just four points better marks, hell yeah
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The truth is that Anna is not at the level of Yuna, Carolina, Alyona, Rika, Elizaveta, Sasha or even Alexia Paganini. They have much better athletic ability than her. She is winning because of some fake quads and triples. Not to mention that her skating skills are poor but not marked as poor. I think 10th-15th places are good for her.
That's fair. I was (on the contrary) trying to act like an international judge
Now you're just trolling
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Nowyou're just trolling
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And yet the discussion here was never about Aliona. I was responding to the user suggesting the flat edge was “outside” when it’s not. We can bring other issues into the discussion and point out all of their flaws, sure. I’ve not watched Aliona’s lutz in slow motion as I just saw in the Russian Nats vid, but if it looks like this then yeah, it also gets a ! from me. But again, that was never the topic.
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You posted your personal scoring here to compare it to actual scoring to defend the idea that Anna is somehow "singled out" (in the sense of favoured) as a response to the question where Anna should lose, so you can hardly expect the one-way exclusivity. It's not like other's scores are questionable and comparable but yours is not
If the cause for the endless complaining surrounding Anna's name here is "overscoring", then it rises several questions, of which one of the most important is "overscoring related to what". What is the standard. I guess I don't ask for much when I consider international scoring (with all possible and impossible complaints) as something that could be settled as a standard for this purpose. When it comes particularly to Anna, I think her senior int. scoring gives some quite stable foundations, 160.16 at the SA, 152.53 at the CoC, 162.65 at GPF and 159.81 at the Europeans, with more or less justified nuances against each other based on performance and mistakes at particular events (except the CoC of course, that was a fluke
). Facing the alleged overscoring with blatant underscoring even related to actual international scoring is like an essay with little base.
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Aaand, that's it, you hit the nail on the head in this line. Somehow it's Anna who is the topic all the time. If other names are brought, then as a comparison and not just in the way of pointed mistakes, actually those who instantly criticize Anna often compare her to other skaters e. g. on the field of PCS. It is always allowed to point out why this or that skater is superior to Anna in whatever (and how the score should reflect that), yet somehow it's always rejected to truly compare.
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I think *almost* everyone in this thread can come to an agreement that Anna does not have the best skating skills or jumping technique (and sure, most of the time she is judged as if she does), but I really don’t think she should be 10th-15th
. Mostly because she has some other important strengths, such as her performance ability and spins.She should have more things called out (many others should too), but even if her faults are called out, she wouldn’t be that low...anywhere.
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Kamila's 166 is quite interesting. She received 152 at junior worlds without choreo sequence and with a step-out on one 4T (with -2.44 point). So considering a clean skate, I guess she currently could really receive 166 internationally as a base score. On the clean 4T with cca +2.50 instead of -2.44 we can count +5 to her JWC score. Then another 5 points for well-executed choreo. Kamila's PCS was 66 at JWC and I guess with a clean skate she shouldn't have the problem to get 70 as a senior. So just on this we have 14 points, with the only change of clean quad and senior instead of junior level. Though as I say, I take that 166 points as something like a base score for Kamila's clean skate and her performance at nationals was not just clean but also better in other aspects.
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Um, in what way Anna is superior to others?
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Not sure what your tone is about, I guess this is an emotionally charged thread and perhaps you misunderstood my meaning. I did not suggest that Anna's titles were undeserved. I did not suggest that Trusova or Valieva or Kostornaia deserved them more. I simply said that winning them inevitably makes Anna the greatest beacon for attention, both good and bad. My only point was that Anna is obviously being talked about more because she has won more.
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That's fair. But it wasn't happening when you brought it up. So it just kinda brings more negativity rather than the opposite, which I think you (and me haha) are hoping for.Perhaps it's because I enjoy going to the competition threads when events are on and commenting with others. At least I usually enjoy it, but sometimes people say the nastiest things you can think of about a skaters program, their music choices, their style and sometimes even their personalities and not in a joking way. I've heard all those comments about the skaters I listed.
I guess the idea is what happens in the competition thread stays in the competition thread? It seems a bit disengenous to be full on nasty in one part of the board and then be super nice elsewhere.
Perhaps my problem is I do the opposite...
I enjoy going to the comp threads too but those are different discussions and the same people don't always frequent both.
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Haha just now?!?! (If only it were just trolling and not vicious attacks..)Now you're just trolling
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Stop picking and choosing the parts of people's quotes you agree with completely changing the tone of the post. It's completely disingenuous. The poster then went on to mention her strengths and that she WOULDN'T be as low as you preposterously stated.
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Unfortunately they started the discussion...
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Then by all means let’s compare.
The reason Anna is constantly the subject is because she wins competitions with excessive scores; and those scores deserve to be questioned, as do Kamila’s and even Sasha’s. But because Anna is the winner, the score becomes even more pertinent. I don’t believe she shouldn’t have won RusNats even with fair scoring. But do you think Sasha deserved a 0 GOE mark for a jump that every other judge scored 3 or 4? It is the same treatment as Liza got last year. There’s a reason the scores are scrutinized. Sasha gets rightfully called on an edge in the short, and Anna’s edge issues aren’t in the free. THAT IS WHY. It is about how the scoring always seems to favor certain athletes perceived as the favorite by the Fed. When it favored Zhenya she was the topic of discussion, now it’s Anna. The issue remains.
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