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Thank you.

Will you be rooting most for Veronika?

It's the only important Junior competition of the season and it will be better than a junior World Championship.
I will be rooting for all of the girls. All are wonderful to even make this stage. (Will miss Alena Gorbecheva). I can't imagine the stress of skating for a world wide audience at 12/13.
 
I will be rooting for all of the girls. All are wonderful to even make this stage. (Will miss Alena Gorbecheva). I can't imagine the stress of skating for a world wide audience at 12/13.
For sure the stress will be real. Partly because this is their only junior competition of the season. No Grand Prix series no world championships this is it.

And should be a stellar competition but if for some reason it is not everybody gets cut slack because everything got messed up this season because of covid.
 
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Zagitova and Medvedeva will appear together on the Urgant late night talkshow on thursday (23.30 Moscow time) to talk about the upcoming team event.

 
Some questions on Sasha's jump history...

4T
1) As far as I'm aware, the first 4T that Sasha landed (and also the first 4T she landed cleanly) was at the 2018 Junior Worlds. Is anyone aware of anything earlier, including in domestic competition?

4S
1) As far as I'm aware, the first 4S that Sasha landed (but called <) was 2017 JGP Brisbane. Is anyone aware of anything earlier, including in domestic competition?
2) As far as I'm aware, the first 4S that Sasha landed cleanly was 2018 Junior Worlds. Is anyone aware of anything earlier, including in domestic competition?

4F
1) As far as I'm aware, the first 4F that Sasha landed (and also the first 4F she landed cleanly) was at the 2019 JGPF. Is anyone aware of anything earlier, including in domestic competition?

4Lz
1) As far as I'm aware, the first 4Lz that Sasha landed (but called <) was 2018 JGP Lithuania. Is anyone aware of anything earlier, including in domestic competition?
2) As far as I'm aware, the first 4Lz that Sasha landed cleanly was 2018 JGP Armenia. Is anyone aware of anything earlier, including in domestic competition?

Practice
Also trying to track down the earliest known footage of Sasha landing each of her 4T, 4S, 4F, 4Lz, *and* 4Lo in practice if folks have any leads.
 
Some questions on Sasha's jump history...

4T
1) As far as I'm aware, the first 4T that Sasha landed (and also the first 4T she landed cleanly) was at the 2018 Junior Worlds. Is anyone aware of anything earlier, including in domestic competition?

4S
1) As far as I'm aware, the first 4S that Sasha landed (but called <) was 2017 JGP Brisbane. Is anyone aware of anything earlier, including in domestic competition?
2) As far as I'm aware, the first 4S that Sasha landed cleanly was 2018 Junior Worlds. Is anyone aware of anything earlier, including in domestic competition?

4F
1) As far as I'm aware, the first 4F that Sasha landed (and also the first 4F she landed cleanly) was at the 2019 JGPF. Is anyone aware of anything earlier, including in domestic competition?

4Lz
1) As far as I'm aware, the first 4Lz that Sasha landed (but called <) was 2018 JGP Lithuania. Is anyone aware of anything earlier, including in domestic competition?
2) As far as I'm aware, the first 4Lz that Sasha landed cleanly was 2018 JGP Armenia. Is anyone aware of anything earlier, including in domestic competition?

Practice
Also trying to track down the earliest known footage of Sasha landing each of her 4T, 4S, 4F, 4Lz, *and* 4Lo in practice if folks have any leads.
Sasha landed first clean 4S at Russian Cup Final(KMS) in February 2018. Other statements sound right. :)
 
Some questions on Sasha's jump history...

4T
1) As far as I'm aware, the first 4T that Sasha landed (and also the first 4T she landed cleanly) was at the 2018 Junior Worlds. Is anyone aware of anything earlier, including in domestic competition?

4S
1) As far as I'm aware, the first 4S that Sasha landed (but called <) was 2017 JGP Brisbane. Is anyone aware of anything earlier, including in domestic competition?
2) As far as I'm aware, the first 4S that Sasha landed cleanly was 2018 Junior Worlds. Is anyone aware of anything earlier, including in domestic competition?

4F
1) As far as I'm aware, the first 4F that Sasha landed (and also the first 4F she landed cleanly) was at the 2019 JGPF. Is anyone aware of anything earlier, including in domestic competition?

4Lz
1) As far as I'm aware, the first 4Lz that Sasha landed (but called <) was 2018 JGP Lithuania. Is anyone aware of anything earlier, including in domestic competition?
2) As far as I'm aware, the first 4Lz that Sasha landed cleanly was 2018 JGP Armenia. Is anyone aware of anything earlier, including in domestic competition?

Practice
Also trying to track down the earliest known footage of Sasha landing each of her 4T, 4S, 4F, 4Lz, *and* 4Lo in practice if folks have any leads.
I'm getting really curious now about what project you are working on. Are you trying to document the history of women's quads and trixels?
 
😊

That's one aspect of what I'm doing. I should have things wrapped up and ready to share here (and more broadly) in the next few days. I think folks will find it useful!
As long as you are not an under-cover ISU agent coming to the conclusion that not only will quads be allowed in the ladies' SP, but moreover they will become a required element, all should be well. :p
 
Zagitova and Medvedeva will appear together on the Urgant late night talkshow on thursday (23.30 Moscow time) to talk about the upcoming team event.

Is a referee going to be present in case fists start to fly? Haha

Yeah, I’m bad. I know. Haha
 
Some questions on Sasha's jump history...

4T
1) As far as I'm aware, the first 4T that Sasha landed (and also the first 4T she landed cleanly) was at the 2018 Junior Worlds. Is anyone aware of anything earlier, including in domestic competition?

4S
1) As far as I'm aware, the first 4S that Sasha landed (but called <) was 2017 JGP Brisbane. Is anyone aware of anything earlier, including in domestic competition?
2) As far as I'm aware, the first 4S that Sasha landed cleanly was 2018 Junior Worlds. Is anyone aware of anything earlier, including in domestic competition?

4F
1) As far as I'm aware, the first 4F that Sasha landed (and also the first 4F she landed cleanly) was at the 2019 JGPF. Is anyone aware of anything earlier, including in domestic competition?

4Lz
1) As far as I'm aware, the first 4Lz that Sasha landed (but called <) was 2018 JGP Lithuania. Is anyone aware of anything earlier, including in domestic competition?
2) As far as I'm aware, the first 4Lz that Sasha landed cleanly was 2018 JGP Armenia. Is anyone aware of anything earlier, including in domestic competition?

Practice
Also trying to track down the earliest known footage of Sasha landing each of her 4T, 4S, 4F, 4Lz, *and* 4Lo in practice if folks have any leads.
I was analysing Sasha's quads a few weeks back, so here is what I noted.

First 4T landed and clean was at Junior Worlds 2018. She tried the 4T for the first time at Russian Cup Final Juniors 2018, but < and fell on it.

First 4S landed but < was at Russian Cup Stage 5 Junior 2017. First clean 4S was at Russian Cup Final Junior 2018. First attempt at 4S was at Russian Cup Stage 3 Juniors 2017 but she < and fell on it.

First 4F landed clean was indeed at GPF for seniors. It was the first 4F we ever saw from her, she tried it again at RusNats but fell on it. We haven't seen any more 4F attempts from Sasha.

First 4Lz landed clean was with +3T at Russian Cup Stage 4 Seniors 2018. This was also her first attempt at a 4Lz. She tried a second 4Lz in the same program but fell on it.

I have no info on earlier attempts at practice.

Edit: I was wrong about the 4Lz. Stage 4 was after her both JGP assignments, so first 4Lz landed but < was at JGP Lituania 2018 (this was also her first attempt). First clean 4Lz was at JGP Armenia but it was with 0 GOE. First clean 4Lz with +GOE was the one at Russian Cup Stage 4 Seniors that I mentioned above.

Also wrong about the 4S. The Russian Cup Stages Juniors was after her JGP events. So the first attempt and landed 4S but with a < was at JGP Australia.
 
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First 4S landed but < was at Russian Cup Stage 5 Junior 2017. First clean 4S was at Russian Cup Final Junior 2018. First attempt at 4S was at Russian Cup Stage 3 Juniors 2017 but she < and fell on it.

Thank you, @Jontor!

Do you or anyone else have the protocols for her 2017/2018 Russian Cup Junior Stage 5 FS and her 2017/2018 Russian Cup Junior Final FS? Also, do you know the exact dates of these FSs? (I'm guessing around 11/24/17 and 2/21/18, respectively.)

Finally, how is it that the official video for the 2019 GPF isn't available on YouTube? All I'm finding is this fancam, with the music removed...https://youtu.be/CLJVcMGteWE?t=52.
 
Thank you, @Jontor!

Do you or anyone else have the protocols for her 2017/2018 Russian Cup Junior Stage 5 FS and her 2017/2018 Russian Cup Junior Final FS? Also, do you know the exact dates of these FSs? (I'm guessing around 11/24/17 and 2/21/18, respectively.)

Finally, how is it that the official video for the 2019 GPF isn't available on YouTube? All I'm finding is this fancam, with the music removed...https://youtu.be/CLJVcMGteWE?t=52.
Is this what you are looking for https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uM_mRa82vB0
 
Thank you, @Jontor!

Do you or anyone else have the protocols for her 2017/2018 Russian Cup Junior Stage 5 FS and her 2017/2018 Russian Cup Junior Final FS? Also, do you know the exact dates of these FSs? (I'm guessing around 11/24/17 and 2/21/18, respectively.)

Finally, how is it that the official video for the 2019 GPF isn't available on YouTube? All I'm finding is this fancam, with the music removed...https://youtu.be/CLJVcMGteWE?t=52.
2017/18 Cup Final FS 21.02.2018: Protocols
2017/18 Cup Stage 5 FS: Protocols , not sure about the date, but I guess 25.11.2017...
 
Thank you, @Jontor!

Do you or anyone else have the protocols for her 2017/2018 Russian Cup Junior Stage 5 FS and her 2017/2018 Russian Cup Junior Final FS? Also, do you know the exact dates of these FSs? (I'm guessing around 11/24/17 and 2/21/18, respectively.)

Finally, how is it that the official video for the 2019 GPF isn't available on YouTube? All I'm finding is this fancam, with the music removed...https://youtu.be/CLJVcMGteWE?t=52.
I use Wikipedia for dates and protocols. It's a great place for getting the overall picture of each season.
Go to Wikipedia (english of course) and type in "Figure skating season"
You'll get a list of each season and each season has a list of competitions in chronological order. For national competitions, there is another link just above the international competition list. Go to 'Russian Nationals' and you will have all the Russian Cup Stages and Championships. (For navigating in the Russian language the Ladies, they are in pink/orange/brown-ish colour (what colour is that? :scratch2:), KMC is junior, MC is senior)
So, all the protocols you need are listed there...

And, don't use your phone, Wikipedia (and everything else really) is hopeless on the phone...

For Sasha and National competitions - here is where she competed:
2017-2018 RC Stage 3 and 5 Junior, RusNats Junior, RC Final Junior
2018-2019 RC Stage 4 Senior, RusNats Senior, RusNats Junior
2019-2020 RusNats Senior
2020-2021 RC Stage 2 and 4 Senior, RusNats Senior

Sasha and International competitions;
2017-2018 JGP Australia, JGP Belarus, JGPF, Junior Worlds
2018-2019 JGP Lithuania, JGP Armenia, JGPF, Junior Worlds
2019-2020 Nepela Memorial, Japan Open, GP SC, GP RC, GPF, Europeans
2020-2021 GP RC

As I said, I did this research on Sasha a few weeks ago to compare it with Anna's, so if you want Anna's history I got that too.

And, there might be some other national competitions that is not listed by Wikipedia for both girls. I don't have info on those.

For me, three videos at YT are available for Sasha's GPF free skate:
NBC commentary with Eurosport's Chris commentary (Chris is the best!) and in Russian https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MnUug9xdULM&t=4s
 
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I use Wikipedia for dates and protocols. It's a great place for getting the overall picture of each season.

As I said, I did this research on Sasha a few weeks ago to compare it with Anna's, so if you want Anna's history I got that too.

And, there might be some other national competitions that is not listed by Wikipedia for both girls. I don't have info on those.

For me, three videos at YT are available for Sasha's GPF free skate:
NBC commentary with Eurosport's Chris commentary (Chris is the best!) and in Russian https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MnUug9xdULM&t=4s

Thank you, @Jontor! I've spent a ton of time researching figure skating stuff on Wikipedia over the years, yet had NO IDEA it was this easy to pull up info on national competitions like the Russian Cup. This is really valuable.

And thanks for the GPF video links. The first couple didn't work for me because of NBC's blocking them, but the 1TV link works!

On Anya, this is what I have for her quad history...

4F
First practice footage is from 4/28/19: https://youtu.be/Vd4hZZ5i4d8
First time landed in competition was 12/28/19 (RusNats): https://youtu.be/xoj3xTld4UQ?t=75
First time landed in competition with positive GOE was 9/20/20 (CoR #1): https://youtu.be/_GkfxdEhcow?t=68
First time landed in int'l competition with positive GOE (Worlds 2021): https://icanseethefuture

4Lz
First practice footage is from 4/27/18: https://youtu.be/kBmNWLr946E
First time landed in competition was 10/6/18 (CoR #2): https://youtu.be/f78LIHx1iRQ?t=39
First time landed in competition with positive GOE: [same as above]
First time landed in int'l competition with positive GOE was 9/14/19 (Lombardia): https://youtu.be/tvlSn8uW1uI?t=58

Did your research return the same?
 
Thank you, @Jontor! I've spent a ton of time researching figure skating stuff on Wikipedia over the years, yet had NO IDEA it was this easy to pull up info on national competitions like the Russian Cup. This is really valuable.

And thanks for the GPF video links. The first couple didn't work for me because of NBC's blocking them, but the 1TV link works!

On Anya, this is what I have for her quad history...

4F
First practice footage is from 4/28/19: https://youtu.be/Vd4hZZ5i4d8
First time landed in competition was 12/28/19 (RusNats): https://youtu.be/xoj3xTld4UQ?t=75
First time landed in competition with positive GOE was 9/20/20 (CoR #1): https://youtu.be/_GkfxdEhcow?t=68
First time landed in int'l competition with positive GOE (Worlds 2021): https://icanseethefuture

4Lz
First practice footage is from 4/27/18: https://youtu.be/kBmNWLr946E
First time landed in competition was 10/6/18 (CoR #2): https://youtu.be/f78LIHx1iRQ?t=39
First time landed in competition with positive GOE: [same as above]
First time landed in int'l competition with positive GOE was 9/14/19 (Lombardia): https://youtu.be/tvlSn8uW1uI?t=58

Did your research return the same?
Anna landed 4F at Europeans with positive GOE although with underrotation call. It's from my memory I'll probably check my base later.
 
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