2020-21 Russian Ladies' Figure Skating

[nussnacker]

Nastia Tarakanova is learning 4T. Happy to see she’s not giving up! Would be amazing is she could nail 1 quad and 3A, I think her 2A would allow another rotation.

https://twitter.com/medoxsunfs/status/1360481013022027776?s=19

also stumbled on some strange podcast with Alexander Venedin, he reconfirmed what he previously said about Kamila landing 4Lz. They asked if he meant it, because people were doubting it, and he said „you can ask again, I can repeat it, she indeed was landing 4Lz in practice.“

He also says that Maiia landed her quads many times in practice and that she is able to do 2 quads, that her quad is „ready“ (I think he was talking about her 4T?) and they prepared another one (probably meaning 4S) in 1,5 months.
looks like for Maiia competition nerves impact her a lot more than others...

 

[JazzUp]

Why did Alina go there with the OGM and after a serious cold, I don't know.

RusFed sent her to get the quotas for the next championship.

 

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RusFed sent her to get the quotas for the next championship.

That's a stupidity from ISU then - the quotas had to be given based on the Olympics not on post Olympics worlds. Very stupid approach.

 

[Novalis]

The jump fest: Behind the scenes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PK73bwD1z3M

 

[alexocfp]

The jump fest: Behind the scenes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PK73bwD1z3M

For the next one, you need to give the boys a few points as a handicap to make it more competitive.

Or be really kind to them and let them draft one of the girls.

 

[Shayuki]

Nastia Tarakanova is learning 4T. Happy to see she’s not giving up! Would be amazing is she could nail 1 quad and 3A, I think her 2A would allow another rotation.

https://twitter.com/medoxsunfs/status/1360481013022027776?s=19

She was learning it like 3 years ago already. Judging by that video, it's not even close and I doubt she'll ever get it.

Of course it'd be great if she learnt it but with that rotation speed it pretty much is physically impossible.

 

[Dawn825]

You're missing the point.

Not sure I am. Competitions and medals exist on a hierarchy. Silvers at GPF and Europeans aren't nothing, but they fall far below gold at Worlds.

 

[Dawn825]

(Kind of a segway but speaking of medal hierarchy, I've always wondered which of Osmund's medals means more to her - the Olympic bronze or World gold. I suspect the gold but it's a hard call.)

 

[Mawwerg]

She was learning it like 3 years ago already. Judging by that video, it's not even close and I doubt she'll ever get it.

Of course it'd be great if she learnt it but with that rotation speed it pretty much is physically impossible.

Were there any cases a skater improved his/her rotation speed after they had left a kindergarten?

 

[Shayuki]

Were there any cases a skater improved his/her rotation speed after they had left a kindergarten?

Of course they improve upon it all the time but if Tarakanova's not managed to do so in a meaningful way in 3 years, I don't think the odds are very high.

From what I've seen, you tend to be able to see it pretty early, for example Trusova's rotation speed was quite slow in the earlier videos of hers that I've seen and it still is somewhat slow. On the other hand Akatieva even when she was like 7 or something and was just jumping doubles had visibly very fast rotation speed, and she rotates really quickly. Veronika Zhilina had pretty slow rotation speed and her rotation speed still is rather slow(She compensates with absolutely ridiculous elevation). And so on.

 

[TripleAxelQueens3]

?? Ahead in what way? Zhilina has MUCH better skating skills, better flow, better speed, better transitions and better jumps. Even Zhilina 2 years ago had better musicality than Daria is showing. Facial expression is not really a part of PCS as much if not Valieva wouldn't be getting the PCS she had been getting. Moreover, I just re-watched that FS and her face was literally the same throughout (which isn't really a bad thing but it negates your point).

Skating skills can honestly be subjective in places but it is a fact that Daria's SS are better than Zhilina's. Now I think Nika has the potential to become a good artist, she has good speed across the ice after all, but her edges are shallow, and her skating lacks refinement. When I see her doing steps it's not smooth but rather very rough. Zhilina's jumps are better in terms of technique but her landings are very rough and she's inconsistent.

And out of the Russian ladies, Daria's musicality is second to only Anna's (and hers is better than Anna's if Anna isn't having the best day). For example, take her SP at the Channel One Trophy. She waits to do the Ina Bauer on the music, she waits to do the leap on the music, her arms get softer as the music gets softer. Then the free skate - she waits in position for music changes. She is elegant and graceful in the middle section while being dramatic and powerful in the first and third sections.

Kami has gotten much better in facial expression. Again, I don't really care about facial expressions in a program if the skater's movements express everything nonetheless. She has been showing clear improvement (especially in the FS oddly). Strictly speaking about facial expressions, there is something to be desired in Kami's skating but her movements express that well enough.

 

[Vilord]

I agree with you! He has choreographed phenomenal programs. But the skater has to be able to deliver it.


I can assure you that Kamila's facial expression is NOT the reason most people think that that program is a masterpiece lool.

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Reason or not, you can't say her facial expression wasn't matching her program, let alone call her "blank-faced". That's a lie.

I would say that you are both correct but you are looking at different performances. Kamilla deffinitely is capable of performing with her face. But there have been several ocations especially last season at big competitions where she probably was nervous and then skated the majority of her program with a scared/blank look on her face. The JGPF clip that was provided where one of those ocations but the photos provided I think was from another competition where she was more relaxed and then emoted more. At the times when she IMO didnt emote well and mostly looked scared throughout her programs the choreography was also often rather rushed.
I would just like to ad that pictures capture only a split second of a performance and Im sure that even in the performances that I dont consider to be particularly well emoted there where probably short moments where she let her nervousnes go and did emote more like in the pictures one of you provided where she clearly did.

 

[Vilord]

Kamila hitting the 4S in practice refocused us all! Haha

And thank god for that because it was getting verry tiresome before she decided to show us a new jump and change the focus. Mabye Eteri is here under cover and decided: "Enough is enough. Thights and boots fashions wasnt interesting enough so Im going to give them something to shift everyones focus."

 

[Shayuki]

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Imo Daria is ahead of Veronika when it comes to musicality and performance, especially facial expression, so I guess it evens out

She's ahead of Veronika in interpretation, Veronika's way too rushed, Sadkova performs properly in my opinion.

She probably is ahead in terms of skating skills, but they're still not that great IMO.

Both have stone faces, not sure how her facial expressions are "especially" far ahead. Perhaps slightly, very slightly.

 

[alexocfp]

And thank god for that because it was getting verry tiresome before she decided to show us a new jump and change the focus. Mabye Eteri is here under cover and decided: "Enough is enough. Thights and boots fashions wasnt interesting enough so Im going to give them something to shift everyones focus."

Just in case she is watching, did you get permission to call her by her first name? Haha

Let me apologize Ms. Tutberidze on everyone’s behalf. Dont want her on my case for something I’m not responsible for. Haha

 

[Paulipau]

Sorry for the off top but could you guys explain me how are the spots on Worlds actually awarded? I'm all confused...

I know that to have 2 spots, 1 skater has to place in the first 10. But what are the rules for 3 spots?

 

[Tonight's the Night]

Skating skills can honestly be subjective in places but it is a fact that Daria's SS are better than Zhilina's. Now I think Nika has the potential to become a good artist, she has good speed across the ice after all, but her edges are shallow, and her skating lacks refinement. When I see her doing steps it's not smooth but rather very rough. Zhilina's jumps are better in terms of technique but her landings are very rough and she's inconsistent.

And out of the Russian ladies, Daria's musicality is second to only Anna's (and hers is better than Anna's if Anna isn't having the best day). For example, take her SP at the Channel One Trophy. She waits to do the Ina Bauer on the music, she waits to do the leap on the music, her arms get softer as the music gets softer. Then the free skate - she waits in position for music changes. She is elegant and graceful in the middle section while being dramatic and powerful in the first and third sections.

Just to help avoid misunderstanding (may I one day have some other use!), this thread-within-the-thread you are responding to was not about Zhilina and Dasha but about Zhilina and Little Dasha (aka Daria Sadkova). I assume from your descriptions (the three R&J sections in the free skate, etc.) that you are talking about older Dasha.

 

[Giltedge]

Skating skills can honestly be subjective in places but it is a fact that Daria's SS are better than Zhilina's. ...snip

The Dariya being referred to in the discussion is the Mari El, one, Sadkova, not the one you're (I think) referring to. Somewhere along the way the Dariya wires got crossed

 

[TripleAxelQueens3]

The Dariya being referred to in the discussion is the Mari El, one, Sadkova, not the one you're (I think) referring to. Somewhere along the way the Dariya wires got crossed

oh that’s so awkward. i just saw the post and got angry. (you’re right i thought about daria u not daria sadkova though it makes sense now that i think about it that this was about daria s since she did just compete).

 

[TripleAxelQueens3]

i wonder why Averbukh doesn’t choreograph for more Russian ladies. His choreo is really pretty good. The Ice Age Kids programs for Zhilina and Kulikova were great, his FS for Misha is breathtaking and his previous works with Zhenya and Yulia were good as well. His EX for Alina was also pretty good (could do without the arms though).