2020-21 Russian Ladies' Figure Skating

[brakes]

You completely miss the point. It was about something completely different. And quads in the SP have just as little to do with it as Trusova. Here someone actually claims in all seriousness that Russian judges judge nationals more fairly than judges at international competitions.

Who's claiming it? Certainly not me.

No actually the same people were at those junior worlds, europeans, and GPF where Anna didn’t win. Those people just skaters better on the days of those INTERNATIONAL competitions. Where as I’ve said before have just a modicum of less bias judging.

I'm just saying on the day of European Championships Anna was the best skater there.
Under any fair judging: Russian, European, Asian, Eskimo or extraterrestrial.

If Alyona didn't fall and hit the board with the force of hockey player at full speed, I wouldn't say a single word.

 

[Scott512]

Dunno about competitions, but if they don't put her on next year's national team list (for funding), I will start riots.

Please no riot inciting or you could be impeached by this board.

I hope Liza is on the national team as well but they put Nastia on it two years ago and it didnt mean Jack you know what.

The problem is TTs new 3A will take up three spots on the national team automatically. Who comes off? Alina? I think if she does not commit to competing next season I think they take her off. Zhenya? We know she wants to still compete and if she physically can I don't think they will take her off the national team.

Brakes you need to come up with a potential national team starting in September.

Are there eight spots with two alternates? I think Liza can make the alternate squad not sure about the main team until we figure out who's likely to be on it. Nastya was a national team alternate 2 years ago and while I was excited about that and she was training at cska it meant nothing and she skated pretty well that season if you go back and look at her work it was quality and beautiful though somewhat inconsistent to be fair.

 

[Ziotic]

Who's claiming it? Certainly not me.

I'm just saying on the day of European Championships Anna was the best skater there.
Under any fair judging: Russian, European, Asian, Eskimo or extraterrestrial.

I think you just forgot to add IMO!

 

[snowflake]

Watching Aliona get choreography over a cell phone was pretty discouraging tho

I can't even imagine how difficult this must be. Hopefully Rozonov can help by transfering the moves to their ice.

 

[Scott512]

You completely miss the point. It was about something completely different. And quads in the SP have just as little to do with it as Trusova. Here someone actually claims in all seriousness that Russian judges judge nationals more fairly than judges at international competitions.

I don't think anybody says that and I think everybody here realizes the scores at ladies Russian Nationals in December would have been slightly lower on the internationa scoring scale.

 

[dante]

I believe Anya's three consecutive RusNats titles are the single most impressive accomplishment in modern ladies skating...

Not that a flush beats a straight in figure skating.

I think the most competitive event so far was the 2019-20 GPF: the 4A, Rika Kihira and Bradie Tennell; and Alyona won there. She also still holds the world record. You can write it off to Anya missing her first season as a handicap (no pun intended), but she's yet to truly benefit from her constancy.

 

[brakes]

Please no riot inciting or you could be impeached by this board.

I hope Liza is on the national team as well but they put Nastia on it two years ago and it didnt mean Jack you know what.

It means funding, doesn't it?
She's gonna have means to continue with the sport she loves and produce these little masterpieces with several thousands views, likes and comments for us. Girl is genuine sport ambassador if you ask me.

TikTok - Make Your Day

 

[Lzbee]

Not that a flush beats a straight in figure skating.

I think the most competitive event so far was the 2019-20 GPF: the 4A, Rika Kihira and Bradie Tennell; and Alyona won there. She also still holds the world record. You can write it off to Anya missing her first season as a handicap (no pun intended), but she's yet to truly benefit from her constancy.

Thank you!

I'm sorry guys but it really bothers me that people are saying Russian nationals was more difficult than GPF.

All 6 skaters at 2019-20 GPF scored higher than 4th place at Russian nationals. Consequently, this was also higher than 2018-19 nationals. Only this year's nationals has been truly stronger than the international field 3A have faced.

Edit: Just to add before an angry mob of Anna fans come at me. This does not in any way take away from her achievements.

Edit2: Sorry I was wrong about 2018-19 nationals. 4th place was Konstantinova scoring 212.92 which was higher than Bradie and Alina at GPF. I still don't think this was more difficult than GPF though since 5th place was Alina herself and 6th was Samodurova. Both Konstantinova and Samodurova only score that high internationally on an exceptionally good day.

 

[bouncy]

Not that a flush beats a straight in figure skating.

I think the most competitive event so far was the 2019-20 GPF: the 4A, Rika Kihira and Bradie Tennell; and Alyona won there. She also still holds the world record. You can write it off to Anya missing her first season as a handicap (no pun intended), but she's yet to truly benefit from her constancy.

Thank you!

I'm sorry guys but it really bothers me that people are saying Russian nationals was more difficult than GPF.

All 6 skaters at 2019-20 GPF scored higher than 4th place at Russian nationals. Consequently, this was also higher than 2018-19 nationals. Only this year's nationals has been truly stronger than the international field 3A have faced.

Maria Butyrskaya won 5 consecutive Nats titles in the 90s. In 2040, who's gonna talk about Shcherbakova who just won 3?

 

[ruga]

Gubanova has always been my favourite against Nugumanova, but Liza impressed me very much at the nationals.
I think she might have more grit and love to the sport, I hope she'll get some int'l spots next season.

Continuing the talk about international spots, who do you guys think will be in national team next year? I predict it's going to be Anna, Alexandra, Aliona, Kamila, Daria, Elizaveta T in main and Maiia, Elizaveta N and Sofia Samodurova in reserve. But I don't really know where would for example Evgenia or Alina be placed if they decide to compete again. They basically didn't compete anywhere this season, but they also are the most decorated current skaters, so I believe RusFed would still give them funding.

 

[lesnar001]

Maria Butyrskaya won 5 consecutive Nats titles in the 90s. In 2040, who's gonna talk about Shcherbakova who just won 3?

In 2040, Anna Scherbakova will have won 23 consecutive National Titles.

 

[bouncy]

In 2040, Anna Scherbakova will have won 23 consecutive National Titles.

Kamila Valieva challenges this.

 

[sinus]

Valieva's performance at 1st Channel Cup was GOAT.

 

[dante]

Kamila Valieva challenges this.

She'll only be left with 19 consecutive Worlds titles.

 

[nussnacker]

Continuing the talk about international spots, who do you guys think will be in national team next year? I predict it's going to be Anna, Alexandra, Aliona, Kamila, Daria, Elizaveta T in main and Maiia, Elizaveta N and Sofia Samodurova in reserve. But I don't really know where would for example Evgenia or Alina be placed if they decide to compete again. They basically didn't compete anywhere this season, but they also are the most decorated current skaters, so I believe RusFed would still give them funding.

Even a harder question, how would GP assignments look like, if GP series happen? Potential contenders: 3A, Kami, Daria, Liza Tuktik, Alina, Evgenia, Maiia K., Liza Nugu, Sofia S., Nastia Gulyakova, Ksenia Sinitsina. Clearly 18 won’t be enough for all of them to have 2 stages, a lot of top skaters won’t even get 1 stage...

 

[Scott512]

It means funding, doesn't it?
She's gonna have means to continue with the sport she loves and produce these little masterpieces with several thousands views, likes and comments for us. Girl is genuine sport ambassador if you ask me.

TikTok - Make Your Day

She sure knows how to Market herself and she probably get some of those small endorsement deals on Instagram and maybe she makes some money from that.

 

[Scott512]

Thank you!

I'm sorry guys but it really bothers me that people are saying Russian nationals was more difficult than GPF.

All 6 skaters at 2019-20 GPF scored higher than 4th place at Russian nationals. Consequently, this was also higher than 2018-19 nationals. Only this year's nationals has been truly stronger than the international field 3A have faced.

Edit: Just to add before an angry mob of Anna fans come at me. This does not in any way take away from her achievements.

Edit2: Sorry I was wrong about 2018-19 nationals. 4th place was Konstantinova scoring 212.92 which was higher than Bradie and Alina at GPF. I still don't think this was more difficult than GPF though since 5th place was Alina herself and 6th was Samodurova. Both Konstantinova and Samodurova only score that high internationally on an exceptionally good day.

Anna supporters are happy.

 

[brakes]

In 2040, Anna Scherbakova will have won 23 consecutive National Titles.

THUG LIFE!

 

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The reality and the imaginary world that every fan builds are often differ. The latter deals with the bias one cannot avoid. And the key of this bias is the unhappinness about how the things go, who wins and who loses. That's why we have all those discussions about the GOAT with taking out of a closet the names that stay there for quite a while already, that's why I see all those attempts to diminish Anna's national titles. Why do we have to read all those identical posts? For educational purposes? Yes, technically winning the national title is less prestigious than a major international one, even the Europeans. Moreover, in the Russian sports title ranking list you are still just a "master of sports" after you win Rusnats, winning the Europeans give you "international master of sports", and winning the worlds "honored master of sports".

There is a different angle - the level of competition. And it is getting more and more towards the situation when Rusnats is the toughest competition together with GPF because only there a top Russian skater can face more than 2 other top Russian skaters.

But there is yet another angle. Qualification. This year Anna is the only skater who has a guaranteed spot in the worlds team. She can focus exclusively on this competition. Sasha, Liza, and Alena will have to compete with each other for the 2 remaining spots. And for me it means that the Rusnats title is very prestigious as it opens the gates. Anna is privileged for yet another time. It might have important psychological consequences

Next year the role of the Rusnats titile might reach the outer space - it's the selection for the Olympics. Anna, Sasha, Alyona, Kamila, Darya - tier one, Zhenya, Liza, Maia, Ksenia and some potential others - tier 2. If all of them stay healthy and ready it will be the toughest competition that figure skating ever witnessed.

 

[ruga]

Even a harder question, how would GP assignments look like, if GP series happen? Potential contenders: 3A, Kami, Daria, Liza Tuktik, Alina, Evgenia, Maiia K., Liza Nugu, Sofia S., Nastia Gulyakova, Ksenia Sinitsina. Clearly 18 won’t be enough for all of them to have 2 stages, a lot of top skaters won’t even get 1 stage...

I was wondering about GP too. Maybe they'll take old season's best and rankings into account. In any case, 3A, Liza T, Kamila, Daria are definitely getting 2 spots each. Alina, Evgenia too, but don't know if they'll compete next season. Remaining spots will be given to Ksenia, Sofia, Nugu, Maiia or maybe Guliakova as a host spot. Once again even the GP is too small for this field.