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That's very harsh, probably harsher than what happened to many athletes who took banned substances during competitions...while she obviously made a mistake and should be punished for it, I think that a one year ban from all skating related activities would suffice, considering that she didn't plan to take part in any competition at the time she was tested. 10 years is almost a life sentence, considering that she was studying choreography at university...

When all of this first came out it was said she missed 2 or 3 tests before testing positive, she then produced forged medical documents regarding medical use of the banned substance she was taking. This wasn't a simple she tested positive, she actively avoided taking required tests and provided forged documents. I said at the time, all Russian athletes should have reasonably anticipated if they were caught doping it would be a severe punishment given the issues the state governing body has had. Additionally, she retired in 2020 the missed tests were supposed to be taken in 2019, we dont know if she didnt simply retire in hopes to avoid punishment for the failed test, so we can't say for sure "she wasn't planning on competing".
 
I still think Kostornaia would be best off if she went to BOrser or Lambiel. Obviously it’s a pandemic and she can’t really travel but I don‘t see her necessarily being A priority at Sambo-70 now and I don’t think the move to Plushenko was the best for her (better for Trusova Tho IMO)
Who is going to finance that? Aliona does not have Zhenya's money. Plus didn't Orser say no way he is going to take on another Russian and the headache that comes with it?
 
When all of this first came out it was said she missed 2 or 3 tests before testing positive, she then produced forged medical documents regarding medical use of the banned substance she was taking. This wasn't a simple she tested positive, she actively avoided taking required tests and provided forged documents. I said at the time, all Russian athletes should have reasonably anticipated if they were caught doping it would be a severe punishment given the issues the state governing body has had. Additionally, she retired in 2020 the missed tests were supposed to be taken in 2019, we dont know if she didnt simply retire in hopes to avoid punishment for the failed test, so we can't say for sure "she wasn't planning on competing".
Thanks, I didn't know about the previous missed tests, makes sense that she wasn't judged that harshly based on a single test failure. Still a very harsh sentence IMO, probably due to the necessity of the Russian state to show that they are tackling the issue with all their might before the next Olympics.
 
When all of this first came out it was said she missed 2 or 3 tests before testing positive, she then produced forged medical documents regarding medical use of the banned substance she was taking. This wasn't a simple she tested positive, she actively avoided taking required tests and provided forged documents. I said at the time, all Russian athletes should have reasonably anticipated if they were caught doping it would be a severe punishment given the issues the state governing body has had. Additionally, she retired in 2020 the missed tests were supposed to be taken in 2019, we dont know if she didnt simply retire in hopes to avoid punishment for the failed test, so we can't say for sure "she wasn't planning on competing".
Wasn't she on weight loss pills for her wedding though?
And I do believe she had said publicly she was retired before the whole ban thing came out, she only forgot to file in her paperwork.

I wouldn't say she was "cheating" as the reason she was taking pills had nothing to do with sport at all. And the forged document thing had something to do with the place she got the pills too, it wasn't just that she decided to forge them right? My memory on this situation is spotty, but nonetheless I feel like it's a really harsh ban considering she wasn't actually cheating in sports, and people who have cheated via doping before have gotten away with much less.
 
All I hope is that Aliona gets the stability she needs in her training environment. Whether it is with Eteri or someone else.
From Konstantinova and Ryabova and in general the news surrounding AOP we knew that the whole situation at the rink was chaotic. Students were switched around from one group to another, coaches came and left after a few weeks/months, they were switching rinks and ice time around. This is stressfull for young skaters, especially when they are already dealing with injuries and a lot of pressure.
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In general I hope that skating starts to normalize skaters going to sports psychologists.
 
Aliona with Lambiel is my dream lol but it‘s not gonna happen, even if there wasn‘t a pandemic. When Zhenya switched to Orser she was already a 2x OSM, World/Euro etc. Champ, she had support of the fed and money from competitions and sponsors. None of that is true for Aliona. Sadly.
Aliona doesn't need an artistry coach, she needs her jumps back. Lambiel is not (yet) known for teaching skaters better jumps or technique.
Aliona is also a very outspoken, emotional and brave person with lots of natural personality: My fear is that Aliona would be coaching Lambiel and not vice-versa :laugh:
 
Aliona doesn't need an artistry coach, she needs her jumps back. Lambiel is not (yet) known for teaching skaters better jumps or technique.
Have you kept up with Stéphane's students? Several of his students finally have Quads after seasons of struggle with them. Stéphane also has a jump technician in his team for that who helps with the technique.
 
Lambiel is not (yet) known for teaching skaters better jumps or technique.
Didn't Rika learn her quad there?

EDIT: this is sad for Maria, but if you are caught cheating, you should be punished
The banned substance was something like diet pills or diuretics, and she's talked about having an eating disorder and body image issues. Idk if the intention was to cheat as much as it was dealing with some sad stuff.
 
Alena switching coaches (unconfirmed) is starting to remind me of Tarakanova's coaching situations. The constant switches and burning of bridges even before securing a new coach.

I think if she does go back to Eteri, and restabilizes her jumps, Sasha will be in trouble for the Olympic team. I think Alena is actually the federation's favourite - her PCS are still sky high even with struggles through the choreography and Lakernik got personally involved when she was struggling. No one did the same for Sasha when she fell all those times at Rostelecom.

Rozanov will also take a huge hit in his coaching reputation as the Zhilina girls have already left him, Sasha refused to work with him, and now Alena is possibly leaving him.

I think the comments about Alena's parents are unfair (same for Anna when she skated at nationals). I don't know what you guys were like at 17, but when I was 17 I had the final say in my big decisions for the future. Her parents can't force her to stay with a coach, whether it's Eteri or Rozanov, if she doesn't want to. I'm sure they sat her down and talked about it, but ultimately it's her decision. Just because a girl is 16/17 doesn't mean they don't have their own thoughts and will simply say yes to everything their parents want. You don't magically acquire a brain at midnight on your 18th birthday. And the girls aren't stupid, they've been doing this for almost their whole lives so I don't believe they don't think about the consequences. These decisions aren't as "simple" as everyone from the outside thinks.
 
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Could Medvedeva have stayed with Orser had she not flounced to Japan at the worst time? Several non-Canadians who train in Canada (Miyahara, Brown, and a few ice dancers) didn't seem to have problems getting back after their Nationals.
It's that flouncing where she went wrong. If she had just traveled to Japan to participate in a show, all would have been well. That's what she gets for flouncing. ;)
 
Could Medvedeva have stayed with Orser had she not flounced to Japan at the worst time? Several non-Canadians who train in Canada (Miyahara, Brown, and a few ice dancers) didn't seem to have problems getting back after their Nationals.
Satoko is allegedly in the US. She was not allowed to enter Canada after Japanese Nationals. Yuzuru is stuck in Japan, Junhwan Cha is stuck in Korea, Ekaterina is stuck in Poland. Rika was also not able to enter Canada. So far only US skaters were allowed to enter Canada. So no. If she had stayed in Canada she would have still had to travel to Russia for Test Skates and the Russian Cup and would have been stuck there like all the other skaters. Even Tarasova/Morozov had to stay in Russia for the competitions despite their training base being in the US.
 
Could Medvedeva have stayed with Orser had she not flounced to Japan at the worst time? Several non-Canadians who train in Canada (Miyahara, Brown, and a few ice dancers) didn't seem to have problems getting back after their Nationals.
I think (iirc) they mentioned that in Evgenia’s case, she was likely able to return to Canada even after flying from Japan then to Russia, but the problem was that her visa or something was different from her mom’s and so Evgenia could’ve came back but her mom wouldn’t have been able to (I think I remember reading something like that but if I’m wrong, anyone please correct me 😂 ).
 
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