2020-21 Russian Ladies' Figure Skating

[Skatesocs]

This is a typical business agreement like I said before, if your employer paid for your training and you want to leave, you have to refund him. This is why they made you sign a clause.

I agree and skaters have to understand the importance of their own decision. They can’t switch coaches when they want because something didn’t work.

If they are violating something, then I agree. But obviously there must be something else to the contract? What do you do if you were with AoP for four years and then decide to leave if it's just not working out? Pay the full four years worth of sum? I hope that's not the case, and I'm giving the coaches in this case the benefit of doubt, that maybe Kostornaia has violated something (keep in mind that her season's already over, so IDK what she's violated, though we won't ever know).

Anyway, that's all my knowledge about contracts. I am waiting for flanker to return so he and el henry can fight and I can learn

 

[chasingneverland]

Yuzuru Hanyu, Yuna Kim, John Curry are the ones who had both. Toller, yes, was not always consistent but certainly the one who was greatly loved. I thought that Aliona could have attained same level, if...

Yuzuru, Yuna, and John were adored in their own country - and didn't have any opposition there. They were viewed as idols and heros bringing their nations to prominence.

Even without injury, Aliona wouldn't have that as ladies figure skating in Russia doesn't ultimately need her - even before she got hurt and this tumultuous year. She didn't even turn senior by herself but turned senior as part of the "3A". So her home fanbase is ultimately divided. That means that neither of them can ascend to the level of widespread love and adoration that the aforementioned skaters had.

 

[Lechat]

Girl had a tiny bedroom that she shared with her cat and dog...
Now she has a better appartment. Money is good. Having money is good.
The lack of money hurted Sakhanovich chances of success.

Yeah everything is fine today but when she was a nobody, she didn’t have enough money to take the bus

 

[chasingneverland]

Rudkovskaya still spoke as though Aliona was departing. And that they agreed on the conditions. It's upto Aliona and her family now, because if she wants to leave, she has to pay. I hope the cottage residence isn't included because that was made afterwards, but it's all going to be in the contract we don't have access to and never will.

What I didn't like the most in the statement was:

"We talked constructively about the problems we faced, we give her all the connections and contacts in medicine and recovery. We know that they will definitely come in handy. Alena smiled, we smiled".

It just doesn't sit well with me at all, like she's smirking at her health issues. So wrong the way she's continually mentioning it now. And in this way, even worse.

I interpreted to mean that they left on good terms not that they smiled at Aliona's injuries. Especially as Aliona herself would NOT have.

 

[lopsilceci]

At this point i'm hoping that she goes to Eteri or CSKA. Panova doesn't have enough political weight. With some politicking, she can fight for a olys/worlds spot.

Her going to Eteri would be ideal but very unlikely, especially for next season.

She should go to Davydov. He seems the more stable and capable ladies coach in Russia right now (apart from Eteri of course).

 

[Shayuki]

Yeah, I don't really get why people act like... Well, Alena cost Plushenko quite a bit of money right, it'd be odd if she could just leave without anything right? That wouldn't seem entirely fair to me, no matter how they handle the PR. So I'm not sure why people have an issue with that...

 

[Jontor]

Doesn‘t that essentially mean she‘s trapped? No one‘s going to pay for an injured athlete... Unless Aliona or her parents have the money.

Wow, well done Yana. She might win this one (she almost certainly will) but I wonder if anyone in their right mind would change coaches to AoP after this mess? I know I wouldn‘t.

I wouldn't either. They can't take care of my delicate needs...

 

[yume]

Yuzuru, Yuna, and John were adored in their own country - and didn't have any opposition there. They were viewed as idols and heros bringing their nations to prominence.

Even without injury, Aliona wouldn't have that as ladies figure skating in Russia doesn't ultimately need her - even before she got hurt and this tumultuous year. She didn't even turn senior by herself but turned senior as part of the "3A". So her home fanbase is ultimately divided. That means that neither of them can ascend to the level of widespread love and adoration that the aforementioned skaters had.

Yuzu had opposition. Competitively and by popularity (eg: Daisuke Takahashi, Shoma Uno).

 

[Fluture]

I interpreted to mean that they left on good terms not that they smiled at Aliona's injuries. Especially as Aliona herself would NOT have.

That was not the highlighted part. It was about the (subtle) references to her injuries and how the medical connections they gave her “will come in handy“.

 

[chasingneverland]

If they are violating something, then I agree. But obviously there must be something else to the contract? What do you do if you were with AoP for four years and then decide to leave if it's just not working out? Pay the full four years worth of sum? I hope that's not the case, and I'm giving the coaches in this case the benefit of doubt, that maybe Kostornaia has violated something (keep in mind that her season's already over, so IDK what she's violated, though we won't ever know).

Anyway, that's all my knowledge about contracts. I am waiting for flanker to return so he and el henry can fight and I can learn

I mean technically Aliona's season isn't over. She's technically alternate for World's and should stay ready in case something happens.
But judging by her state it would take a serious serious injury (that they couldn't skate through) for them to consider removing any of the team, especially Anna and Sasha as they already know what they can do when not 100%. (It would take a lot of Anna/Sasha's potential injuries to outweigh Aliona current injuries and that risk, especially knowing that their BV even watered down is much much higher.)

 

[silveruskate]

I interpreted to mean that they left on good terms not that they smiled at Aliona's injuries. Especially as Aliona herself would NOT have.

I hope so. But it comes across as so shady. Aliona can't afford these doctor contacts by herself. Of course not. It's clear that any medical help would come from Khrustalny doctors if she moved. And the mentioning of her health again by itself is so out of nowhere. That *definitely come in handy* stuck out for me.

 

[chasingneverland]

Yuzu had opposition. Competitively and by popularity (eg: Daisuke Takahashi, Shoma Uno).

Not to the same level. Yuzu has a cult following that's never been true for the others. Like yes, he was booed for beating Daisuke and that period of time was polarizing but it isn't lasting. That's what I meant. None of the 3A have that level of reputation or adoration or longevity. They've been senior for one year and haven't even made it to World's yet and they're already being "replaced".

Also those same fans that booed him would fight to the death for him now haha (or at least rain down pooh bears upon his opposition). The others doesn't have the time to establish that level of dominance and adoration. They also don't have a "brand".

 

[Lechat]

But skaters can earn a lot of money by doing ice shows and commercials, so she shouldn't be in big trouble. She can take a loan now to pay Plushenko, and pay off that loan gradually

But she doesn’t have any sponsors or endorsements except the one with plushi and I don’t know how much is paid for an ice show.

 

[Lechat]

I mean technically Aliona's season isn't over. She's technically alternate for World's and should stay ready in case something happens.
But judging by her state it would take a serious serious injury (that they couldn't skate through) for them to consider removing any of the team, especially Anna and Sasha as they already know what they can do when not 100%. (It would take a lot of Anna/Sasha's potential injuries to outweigh Aliona current injuries and that risk, especially knowing that their BV even watered down is much much higher.)

If she’s an alternate and has to train, she chose the worst timing to switch team

 

[Amei]

But skaters can earn a lot of money by doing ice shows and commercials, so she shouldn't be in big trouble. She can take a loan now to pay Plushenko, and pay off that loan gradually

Not a lot of ice shows have been happening in the last year, plus she's injured or having some health issues and last I had heard was planning to go to med school so her scholastic demands are probably high as she's close to graduating age. And her only sponsors are ones she got through Plushenko (wasn't she the skater who comically announced a sponsorship by posting a picture but then reuploaded the picture to include a large picture of Plushenko in the background).

 

[Lzbee]

Yeah, I don't really get why people act like... Well, Alena cost Plushenko quite a bit of money right, it'd be odd if she could just leave without anything right? That wouldn't seem entirely fair to me, no matter how they handle the PR. So I'm not sure why people have an issue with that...

Because Plushenko came out with a big statement saying that he's so generous and that there are no contracts and Aliona will get everything for free.

They're within their rights to ask for the money back but don't make out that you're generously giving it away for free when you had no intention to?

I do wonder if Plushenko and Yana are not on the same page with all this. He keeps saying one thing and then her coming out with "yeah kinda but actually no not at all".

 

[Skatesocs]

I mean technically Aliona's season isn't over.

For all intents and purposes, her season is over. Her decision to switch coaches indicates that - whether that means forfeiting her substitute is all that is unknown. IF she is still a substitute, and is violating her contract based off that, then I will absolutely hope AoP stops being a thing via lawsuits in the future.

 

[sinus]

 

[Lana05]

"A good figure skater is being sold. Asap! Any wishing one to get a girl, plese, contact Rugkovskaya."
Billboard that Aliona needs right now

 

[JazzUp]

So I'm not sure why people have an issue with that...

Uhm, maybe because of this:

Summer'20: "We didn't even discuss the financial details, but if she'll need anything, I'll cover that - I can afford it and I'm not stingy."

March'21: "I want my money back".