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Then aliona should show up back at PA with her mom and dad. I mean she needs to skate right?
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No one says they’re not idiots for falling into that trap, that doesn’t make setting up the trap an okay or honorable thing.
Sure, everyone can feel sorry for Kostornaia’s predicament, but I really don’t get why people have suddenly decided that Plushenko is now the big baddie for requesting to satisfy the terms of a legal contract signed by Alena’s legal guardian. The existence of a contract isn’t slavery or a trap FFS, it’s simply legal protection for all parties involved. If Plushenko had failed to provide the training conditions stipulated in the contract, then he would’ve been in breach and Alena could sue him if she wanted. Instead, everyone seems to agree that plenty of resources were provided for Alena but things simply did not work out. Not to mention, the entire situation was brought about by Alena’s own recklessness. If things had been done properly from the beginning, with transfer during the appropriate period, then AOP would’ve received fees from the Fed and there would’ve been no need for a contract to begin with. Nevertheless, a contract was agreed to and signed, and now it’s terms must be satisfied. Of course I don’t expect a 17 year old to care or think much of the boring legal details involved, or to expect that there would be legal consequences for her personal decisions. Nevertheless, her legal guardians should know better and realize they don’t have much ground to stand on if the contract is clear about this situation. Laws need to be upheld regardless of how sorry you feel for the talented minor stuck in the middle of it. Plushenko is absolutely within his rights here, and frankly any misfortunes this may cause Alena have been self-inflicted.
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This contract can't be indefinite, it's just not possible. Like others said, I can imagine it being on a yearly basis, so the Zhilina sisters wouldn't be impacted if they left after the season ended. But I bet for Aliona's contract it was for until the end of Olympic season, or she violated the terms by trying to move before the season was technically over.
I've seen sometimes where celebrities/athletes can get out of contracts because public good-will is on their side, and it would damage the reputation of the other party - but Aliona has none of this. Even if she did, it doesn't mean anything for sure.....does anyone remember Messi/Barcelona? And he's a massive star.
I wonder how much money needs to be paid. Didn't RusFed money for Aliona go to Sambo this year? That could help, but it seems like it isn't on the cards - most likely already spent.
If she can't afford it, Aliona should seriously do GoFundMe. This is a big enough deal that she would get the money, and she has fans internationally. If Shae-Lynn could at least reimburse for the 2nd program it would be generous, but who can say.
I've seen sometimes where celebrities/athletes can get out of contracts because public good-will is on their side, and it would damage the reputation of the other party - but Aliona has none of this. Even if she did, it doesn't mean anything for sure.....does anyone remember Messi/Barcelona? And he's a massive star.
I wonder how much money needs to be paid. Didn't RusFed money for Aliona go to Sambo this year? That could help, but it seems like it isn't on the cards - most likely already spent.
If she can't afford it, Aliona should seriously do GoFundMe. This is a big enough deal that she would get the money, and she has fans internationally. If Shae-Lynn could at least reimburse for the 2nd program it would be generous, but who can say.
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This reminds me to give thanks to whatever powers that be for giving Alina the foresight NOT to bite that hook when it was dangled in front of her. Talk about dodging a bullet.
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Right. If it was a trap. We discuss a contract none of us knows. If it was a treacherous one million dollar fee if you want to get out any time before you retire, added in a tiny print at the bottom of the form, alright, that was a trap and you are right. Still, we have no idea what money they talk about and what the conditions were. Might have been - before the end of the season. MIght have been - breach of the contract i.e. leaving without notice. Many things that could have been there justifiably, making it just a contract, and not a trap.
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But this is it, Plushenko's fees are high. Do we know that Trusova is getting full funding from RusFed? I remember him saying that this money was nothing compared to the costs he was incurring.
Aliona was naive, but Plushenko is being blamed for his comments just today where he was said Daniil was lying and that everything is free, no contract. Not to mention, when Aliona joined he was saying that everything was covered and money was not an issue.
Although I'll add to anyone that cares. We don't know what Aliona is meant to be paying for. Does she have to cover all expenses, or partially? How favourable are her training rates as an elite athlete? Is the cottage free-of-charge? Will RusFed help her?
I don't really know why people are surprised. Granted, we do not know what was written in the contract, but I assume that like every reputable contract it has a rescission clause that indicates the temporal limits after which you can rescind your contract; I mean, Lionel Messi of all people could not leave Barcelona last season because the clauses in his contract didn't allow him to, and I doubt he didn't have the means to fight against this in a tribunal! Alena leaving before the end of the season was probably the thing that inficiated whatever sponsorship they had in place for her (yes, she probably won't skate anymore in the current season, but the official skating season ends after the Worlds). Also, another problem is that Aliona left Sambo 70 last season after the transfer window closed, meaning that her funds from the Fed went to Sambo 70 and not to her new team (at least partially), meaning that Plushenko might have payed several expenses out of his own pocket without being reimbursed by the Fed. Also, while Aliona must not have been aware of the minutiae of her contract, her parents should have been and should have examined the situation a bit more carefully. All in all, I hope that this bad experience will still be a learning experience for her: take your time before acting, consult with your parents/adults, don't do things on impulse.
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I can't believe what I'm reading. You should go through the contract BEFORE signing it.
But this doesn't cohere though? If Kostornaia cannot pay her way out just because her season isn't over (technically), then maybe she can wait till the next season begins and then go? Did talking to a different coach in and of itself trigger some violation...?
Lawyers are very expensive and there’s no guarantee of winning. Plushy has a juridic service it means they are already advised by lawyers. The best thing to do is to find an agreement.
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The and is because they're in the same position which is a different one than Liza T. Also Sasha's health is also fragile - she's injured.
That’s obviously what she should be doing and probably is doing already if she really can’t stomach going back to AOP. However, being able to find fault in a contract and get out of it is not only a lengthy and expensive process, but also assumes there is actual fault in the contract. For all we know the entire thing may be above board. In any case her predicament is way above the pay grade of this forum and unless someone ponies up some $$$ or AOP forgets about the whole thing (fat chance) she will need some serious legal help to sort it all out.
Always submit the contract to a lawyer before signing it if it involves a lot of money
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I guess training with someone else is what will breach the contract. So possibly until it ends she can’t train anywhere aside from AoP, and Yana won’t allow her to train with AoP. If she doesn’t train for months, even if the duration just the end of the season, she’ll probably lose her shape and will have a hard time going back to competing.
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I guess we are about to find out how much RusFed really values Aliona. And/or what the chances are for her to make a full recovery and return to form.
If they believe in her I'm calling it now - RusFed has a private chat with Yana & Plush. Promises are exchanged. Suddenly Yana announces that an agreement has been reached to the satisfaction of all parties but due to an ironclad NDA no-one can discuss even the slightest detail.
If they believe in her I'm calling it now - RusFed has a private chat with Yana & Plush. Promises are exchanged. Suddenly Yana announces that an agreement has been reached to the satisfaction of all parties but due to an ironclad NDA no-one can discuss even the slightest detail.
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Of course, you should. I just said, I can imagine that at certain circumstances you were naive or wooed, or starstruck, or lazy, or whatever, and you did not read it, or not carefully enough, or just thought the clauses which were there would never be enacted (that happens a lot, believe me), still when you want out of it, you do go back to it and check your options carefully before acting.
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Danny G called this „financial nuances“ 
he was really trying to tread carefully. Little did we know...
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