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Yes, undoubtedly, she‘s lost all power. She‘ll have to shut up and do what they tell her, skate what they want her to. But we knew that before.

I‘m not worried about that. I am worried about Eteri‘s words on how she has to train at full speed everyday, no additional days off, regain 3A by the end of the season... again: she‘s still injured and suffers from COVID after effects. How is her body supposed to take that? And if she can‘t fulfill their obligations due to her health... then what? She‘ll have to leave again?
I think she wants to see her determination
 
Yeah but the whole still recovering from COVID after months, all came from Plushenko, so we dont know how much of it is an excuse for the results
Exactly, it always sounded as if Plushenko kept using that as an excuse for poor results or not showing up to competitions. Since Aliona or Rozanov never said anything and Plush is not the most reliable source of information, we really can't know how true it is that she's still struggling with covid after effects or if it's just stamina issues from lack of proper training.

I think Kosto can get the 3A back in the trial period. Even if she's injured, I don't think she has the type of injuries that would keep you off the ice completely for some time, like Medvedeva's.

I think the biggest problem is that she's out of shape and coaches didn't know what to do with her. And if Eteri asked to get the 3A back within the trial period, it's because she thinks it's an attainable goal.
 
Considering that "hot" Sergei helped her learn it in the first place..I think he probably could have taught her how to get it back. She was landing it before she got COVID this season.
I don't think she was landing it consistently. The only video we saw of it was definitely UR if not downgraded.

I believe she was struggling with injury and lack of training time early in the season anyways, and then came Covid and more injury.
 
Yes, undoubtedly, she‘s lost all power. She‘ll have to shut up and do what they tell her, skate what they want her to. But we knew that before.

I‘m not worried about that. I am worried about Eteri‘s words on how she has to train at full speed everyday, no additional days off, regain 3A by the end of the season... again: she‘s still injured and suffers from COVID after effects. How is her body supposed to take that? And if she can‘t fulfill their obligations due to her health... then what? She‘ll have to leave again?

I think it's important to note that the condition was no unexcused absences. I'm sure if there's a health related issue they would do what's right. What it basically means is that she can't miss practices because she just doesn't feel like training that day etc.
 
Daria doesn't dominate.

I feel like you've missed the point.

I'm saying NOW the highest technical content (but you have to perform it cleanly). In what world does that apply to Daria? Technical content also applies to spins and step sequences, obviously. That's included in the TES score.
Never stated or implied Daria dominated. Just used her as an example of how a skater with no high tech content jumps can win over others who do have those. Yuna Kim was the only one I mentioned who dominated.
 
she was struggling to breath in the Kiss and Cry after RCF. She said her heartbeat was around 190 for the entire warmup of RCF. She needed Rozanov and Plushenko's help to get up from the Kiss and Cry after her FS. This does not look like an excuse to me!

And in addition, let's not forget that athletes like Viktoria Sinitsina and Anna Shcherbakova have also experienced struggles with breathing even though they have "recovered" from Covid months ago. Ice Dancer Anastasia Shpilevaya had to RETIRE due to complications with Covid.

This isn't a flu or a small cold. It's a life threatening illness.
Could also be lack of fitness. She already admits she was slacking in AoP because no one pushed her and Yana said she often missed gym sessions.
 
I don't think she was landing it consistently. The only video we saw of it was definitely UR if not downgraded.

I believe she was struggling with injury and lack of training time early in the season anyways, and then came Covid and more injury.
No but she didn't have it at all before leaving Eteri. She said it was about 20% before Rostelecom so that's since leaving Eteri. And that's more about could they have taught it - which is yes. I mean Sasha's looks closer and all Sasha's jumps look better. Also they did ask Aliona if she wanted Plushy's help and she said when she was ready to learn the 3A. There just wasn't time.
 
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Never stated or implied Daria dominated. Just used her as an example of how a skater with no high tech content jumps can win over others who do have those. Yuna Kim was the only one I mentioned who dominated.
And Kamila won over Alysa without her 4Ts. That's been established.

But that's not domination. With the exception of Kamila as she was just that much better and when she had her 4T back it was game over.

Aliona was never that level of foregone conclusion anytime in her career.
 
Exactly, it always sounded as if Plushenko kept using that as an excuse for poor results or not showing up to competitions. Since Aliona or Rozanov never said anything and Plush is not the most reliable source of information, we really can't know how true it is that she's still struggling with covid after effects or if it's just stamina issues from lack of proper training.

I think Kosto can get the 3A back in the trial period. Even if she's injured, I don't think she has the type of injuries that would keep you off the ice completely for some time, like Medvedeva's.

I think the biggest problem is that she's out of shape and coaches didn't know what to do with her. And if Eteri asked to get the 3A back within the trial period, it's because she thinks it's an attainable goal.
Considering she was gasping for breath in the kiss and cry after her free skate in the Russian cup final and needing help to get up, I really do not think it was an excuse. Her stamina issues are likely a result of COVID after effects + lack of training bcs of all her health issues. Even across other sports, there are athletes that seem to completely recover from COVID in a few weeks, and some that got it months ago and are still struggling to find their form. Not directed to you, but some people thinking that COVID after effects is an excuse because others who got COVID are now fine, it just does affect everyone differently.
 
Could also be lack of fitness. She already admits she was slacking in AoP because no one pushed her and Yana said she often missed gym sessions.
I'm pretty sure lack of fitness doesn't translate to not being able to stand up by yourself after a skate. Like, for example, I don't mean to bash Marin as a junior but her coach did say she was "lazy" (whether or not that's true is a different story), but she didn't have breathing problems and could at least stand up by herself after a free skate.

She definitely is struggling from stamina issues, but I'm just saying, it is ignorant to assume she is using Covid as an excuse when clearly Covid can have long lasting effects on any person, especially athletes.
 
Yes, undoubtedly, she‘s lost all power. She‘ll have to shut up and do what they tell her, skate what they want her to. But we knew that before.

I‘m not worried about that. I am worried about Eteri‘s words on how she has to train at full speed everyday, no additional days off, regain 3A by the end of the season... again: she‘s still injured and suffers from COVID after effects. How is her body supposed to take that? And if she can‘t fulfill their obligations due to her health... then what? She‘ll have to leave again
i think this trial period is likely to be sure Aliona follows their rules and their way of doing things. she absolutely has no power and if she's going to train there Eteri's going to call the shots.
 
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