2020-21 Russian Ladies' Figure Skating

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[nussnacker]

I doubt it.
Sasha has Plushenko, Mikhailov and now Morozov, I guess. I don't think Rozanov could add anything that she couldn't get from the other coaches.

He'll probably be coaching some of the younger skaters... Or who knows? They have Lipnitskaya now too.
Maybe they'll use him mainly for choreography.

He also apparently (allegedly) lost Parsegova.

I’m sure he still has other students, like Sviridenko and so on.

Btw, I think I found Nadya on IG

https://instagram.com/loveforfigureskating

 

[Novalis]

He also apparently lost Parsegova.

I’m sure he still has other students, like Sviridenko and so on.

Btw, I think I found Nadya on IG

https://instagram.com/loveforfigureskating

Good to see Nadya

 

[Skatesocs]

Btw, I think I found Nadya on IG

https://instagram.com/loveforfigureskating

There aren't enough lutz edges and slow-mo videos.

 

[Greengemmonster]

There aren't enough lutz edges and slow-mo videos.

Of Anna!

 

[Scott512]

Davydov does seem competent but he's also not as experienced as TT and hasn't shown results at the senior level yet. I don't see how Aliona would benefit more from that environment than with Eteri. Aliona seems to get motivated from the internal competition, so being with Davydov would probably not be ideal for her and I'm not sure that he could help her get the 3A back.

Uncle Lakernik is the one and only Lakernik we know There's a rumour that he's married to Aliona's aunt or something like that.

Seems like she hasn't worked at AoP for some time now

Yes he is not as experienced as Eteri. But he knows how to teach the ultra jumps and hes on the way up as a coach. Alena would be the number one lady there and she is the number 6 or 7 lady starting out at TT. If she gets healthy Alyona could move up to number four lady at TT before nationals in December. But that's a big if and can she handle the workload that's going to be thrown out her in the next 2 months been this probationary period? That is the question and we will find out the answer.

One advantage TT had was Aliona knows the system there and she probably did not want to try to learn another system so soon after doing that at PA which was very different then TT.

I'm also tired of people saying how gracious EG is for taking AK back like she's a homeless girl off the streets or something. Lol. The most beautiful skater in the world would have a long list of coaches reaching out to her if she did not go back to TT and EG.

It should interesting to see how things turn out heading into the Olympic season and see if Alyona can recover physically and emotionally to make a real charge at the Olympic team. I have my doubts but certainly hope it happens.

Thanks for the info on who her Uncle is and on the mysterious disappearance of Elena. At test skates she was hugging and kissing Aliona protecting Alena who was in a very fragile spot in her life and career. I remember seeing a picture of her hugging Alyona like she was a little sister of something. It was super cute and I thought this girl need someone another female to either be her companion at PA or a confidant at PA and then Elena just disappeared. I know PA only want Yulia to work with children right now but why couldn't she have been an advisor for alyona with all she's going through at a young age and her life? They could have related to each other and Yulia could have helped Alyona calm down a bit and see the big picture. But I guess Lipnitskaya is working with ankle biters and we won't see her for years.

 

[Lechat]

Yes he is not as experienced as Eteri. But he knows how to teach the ultra jumps and hes on the way up as a coach. Alena would be the number one lady there and she is the number 6 or 7 lady starting out at TT. If she gets healthy Alyona could move up to number four lady at TT before nationals in December. But that's a big if and can she handle the workload that's going to be thrown out her in the next 2 months been this probationary period? That is the question and we will find out the answer.

One advantage TT had was Aliona knows the system there and she probably did not want to try to learn another system so soon after doing that at PA which was very different then TT.

I'm also tired of people saying how gracious EG is for taking AK back like she's a homeless girl off the streets or something. Lol. The most beautiful skater in the world would have a long list of coaches reaching out to her if she did not go back to TT and EG.

It should interesting to see how things turn out heading into the Olympic season and see if Alyona can recover physically and emotionally to make a real charge at the Olympic team. I have my doubts but certainly hope it happens.

Thanks for the info on who her Uncle is and on the mysterious disappearance of Elena. At test skates she was hugging and kissing Aliona protecting Alena who was in a very fragile spot in her life and career. I remember seeing a picture of her hugging Alyona like she was a little sister of something. It was super cute and I thought this girl need someone another female to either be her companion at PA or a confidant at PA and then Elena just disappeared. I know PA only want Yulia to work with children right now but why couldn't she have been an advisor for alyona with all she's going through at a young age and her life? They could have related to each other and Yulia could have helped Alyona calm down a bit and see the big picture. But I guess Lipnitskaya is working with ankle biters and we won't see her for years.

it’s your speculation, you forget the ugly way she parted and all the craps she said about Dannil’s programs. I don’t think a coach in his right mind would accept such behavior and she doesn’t mind the other coaches she wants Eteri.

At least she apologized.

 

[emmaleemochizuki]

I honestly think it might just push Kostornaia to be in contention for the Olympics again with the conditions Eteri set her. But yeah I think the girl should see a sports psychologist...

 

[Lechat]

I don't. I think it was a horrible decision for Trusova to leave Eteri, one that was driven by the greed of her father. Eteri was right about cutting her quads and working to improve the rest. I think the issue with AOP is they do not force their athletes to reach the same level of stamina and conditioning and fitness as Team Eteri. AOP is more like an American program, where it is up to the athlete to work hard and succeed. At team Eteri you either work hard within the constructs of their program or get out.

Unlike Alena who is a mess now, Sasha is fine. She’s a hungry girl with determination, she doesn’t need a push or someone yelling at her back

 

[Bluediamonds09]

The only way this madness will EVER end is if a bunch of things happen at once. Like, if a few skaters literally faint from exhaustion and hunger during a competition and the camera catches them worried about water weight.Or if a renowned Russian ballet choreographer criticises Daniil. Or if the girls are caught purging. Or if the judges are caught on camera discussing how to ensure a Sambo 70 win.
If only one of these happens it's not enough to take down the system. A lot has to happen at the same time, with evidence.

 

[mrrice]

I honestly think it might just push Kostornaia to be in contention for the Olympics again with the conditions Eteri set her. But yeah I think the girl should see a sports psychologist...

I really love Kostornaia's skating and I hope this move is good for her. She is one of the best skaters when she hit her jumps.

 

[nussnacker]

The only way this madness will EVER end is if a bunch of things happen at once. Like, if a few skaters literally faint from exhaustion and hunger during a competition and the camera catches them worried about water weight.Or if a renowned Russian ballet choreographer criticises Daniil. Or if the girls are caught purging. Or if the judges are caught on camera discussing how to ensure a Sambo 70 win.
If only one of these happens it's not enough to take down the system. A lot has to happen at the same time, with evidence.

The hell did I just read..

 

[chasingneverland]

Excellent points.

Interesting that aliona can leave at the end ofbthe season. I think TT will keep her who are the Olympic season partly to keep her away from cska Sergei Davydov who teaches the triple Axel and quads. While I'm happy aliona is back at TT she is number 6 on the depth chart right now and number 7 overall when you consider competition for those three vital Olympic spots for the Russian ladies. EG does not want Kosto anywhere near Davydov where Aliona would be the #1 senior lady and have a real chance to get her 3A back. If Aliona makes a run at the Olympic team and the worlds team after the Olympics EG wants it to be with her or she will get the credit for it.. So while Eteri is being regarded as charitable and forgiving taving Aliona back there is a strategy behind it to in my opinion.

I don't think Eteri cares an iota bout Sergei Davydov - like I really truly don't think he factors in at all into her plans. (Even with Sofia A where she actually has a challenger by him. She's just focused on Sofia A.) If they can't teach Aliona her 3A and quads, there is no guarantee that Sergei will and he has much less political pull than she does.

Also Aliona's 3A isn't necessarily by itself enough. It's more a question of form and if she can recover from injuries.

I think it's some combination of:
Tier 1: Kamila, Anna, Sasha;
Tier 2: Daria, Maiia, Liza T;
Tier 3 (other potential challengers - there are issues here though): Evgenia (her reputation helps her), Ksenia S, Aliona, (Alina would be here too if she wanted to come back - her national and international resume would help her);
Tier 4 (national level skaters): Sofia S, Anastasia G, Liza N, Anna F, Ksenia T, Stanislava, Anastasia T, etc

 

[JazzUp]

Classics are always on point:

 

[Lechat]

I really love Kostornaia's skating and I hope this move is good for her. She is one of the best skaters when she hit her jumps.

She was stellar with Eteri when she jumped the 3A, it was high, beautiful, her skating was mesmerizing. She lost that spark.

 

[chasingneverland]

I don't. I think it was a horrible decision for Trusova to leave Eteri, one that was driven by the greed of her father. Eteri was right about cutting her quads and working to improve the rest. I think the issue with AOP is they do not force their athletes to reach the same level of stamina and conditioning and fitness as Team Eteri. AOP is more like an American program, where it is up to the athlete to work hard and succeed. At team Eteri you either work hard within the constructs of their program or get out.

Sasha's quads HAVE improved and her 3A looks increasingly more like a viable option. Also she's improved incredibly artistically. Finally, Sasha's training regime is completely different than Aliona's was at AoP. She has entirely different coaches and trainers looking over her work.

 

[chasingneverland]

Yes he is not as experienced as Eteri. But he knows how to teach the ultra jumps and hes on the way up as a coach. Alena would be the number one lady there and she is the number 6 or 7 lady starting out at TT. If she gets healthy Alyona could move up to number four lady at TT before nationals in December. But that's a big if and can she handle the workload that's going to be thrown out her in the next 2 months been this probationary period? That is the question and we will find out the answer.

One advantage TT had was Aliona knows the system there and she probably did not want to try to learn another system so soon after doing that at PA which was very different then TT.

I'm also tired of people saying how gracious EG is for taking AK back like she's a homeless girl off the streets or something. Lol. The most beautiful skater in the world would have a long list of coaches reaching out to her if she did not go back to TT and EG.

It should interesting to see how things turn out heading into the Olympic season and see if Alyona can recover physically and emotionally to make a real charge at the Olympic team. I have my doubts but certainly hope it happens.

Thanks for the info on who her Uncle is and on the mysterious disappearance of Elena. At test skates she was hugging and kissing Aliona protecting Alena who was in a very fragile spot in her life and career. I remember seeing a picture of her hugging Alyona like she was a little sister of something. It was super cute and I thought this girl need someone another female to either be her companion at PA or a confidant at PA and then Elena just disappeared. I know PA only want Yulia to work with children right now but why couldn't she have been an advisor for alyona with all she's going through at a young age and her life? They could have related to each other and Yulia could have helped Alyona calm down a bit and see the big picture. But I guess Lipnitskaya is working with ankle biters and we won't see her for years.

I don't think being the number 1 skater actually works for Aliona. She needs someone to kick her butt.

Also, no. I don't think she would have long line of coaches reaching out - as they would probably be asked to pay her AoP fee. And no one would want to do that. Aliona's just not worth the risk.

Yulia also has other duties, including to her own baby, that isn't coddling a senior skater. And you never know - she may have asked to work with children.

 

[Skatesocs]

Classics are always on point:

A direct quote instead...

So we beat on, boats against the current, borne back ceaselessly into the past.

 

[Skatesocs]

Or if a renowned Russian ballet choreographer criticises Daniil.

I'm confused about what this means. Why would a Russian ballet choreographer care about Figure Skating?

 

[Shayuki]

Yes he is not as experienced as Eteri. But he knows how to teach the ultra jumps and hes on the way up as a coach. Alena would be the number one lady there and she is the number 6 or 7 lady starting out at TT. If she gets healthy Alyona could move up to number four lady at TT before nationals in December. But that's a big if and can she handle the workload that's going to be thrown out her in the next 2 months been this probationary period? That is the question and we will find out the answer.

One advantage TT had was Aliona knows the system there and she probably did not want to try to learn another system so soon after doing that at PA which was very different then TT.

I'm also tired of people saying how gracious EG is for taking AK back like she's a homeless girl off the streets or something. Lol. The most beautiful skater in the world would have a long list of coaches reaching out to her if she did not go back to TT and EG.

It should interesting to see how things turn out heading into the Olympic season and see if Alyona can recover physically and emotionally to make a real charge at the Olympic team. I have my doubts but certainly hope it happens.

First point: I'm not sure how you get Kostornaia to be #6 or #7 in team tutberidze, but #1 for Davydov. Samodelkina has 3A and multiple quads, so Kostornaia should at least be #2 there. If Kostornaia was #1 in spite of that, then she'd be higher than #6 or #7 for Eteri.

"I'm also tired of people saying how gracious EG is for taking AK back like she's a homeless girl off the streets or something. Lol. The most beautiful skater in the world would have a long list of coaches reaching out to her if she did not go back to TT and EG."

Tired of it because you know it's true? I don't think I'd have taken her back, she first left rudely in the summer(And Eteri's allegations from that time were all but confirmed during this week) and now is doing the same thing within a season. It would not be surprising at all to me even if Eteri didn't take her back.

A long list of coaches reaching out to her? Yeah, I'm sure there would be. But I'm not sure what that has to do with Eteri taking her back. And I doubt she'd care a whole lot for other coaches anyway.