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I have a question about Advanced Novice championships.
I've read that their spins cannot be given more than a level 3.
I've read too, that they don't get backloading 10% BV bonus.
(But they can still get other specific bonuses.)
Is it true in Russia too, or do they have their own scoring rules?
Just look into the protocols of any category, you'll see they are basically scoring just like in older competitions. There are spins getting lvl 4, there is 2nd part bonus. There are some limits in younger age like only 6 elements in the SP and 9 in the FS for instance, but the scoring works the same.
 
Just look into the protocols of any category, you'll see they are basically scoring just like in older competitions. There are spins getting lvl 4, there is 2nd part bonus. There are some limits in younger age like only 6 elements in the SP and 9 in the FS for instance, but the scoring works the same.

Umm, question - what's with skaters doing mostly the same jumps? So I looked at the Girls (Junior group) elements and the skater that placed first did 2 solo triple lutz jumps and 2 triple lutz-triple loop combinations. I realize the second jump is marked invalid and not scored, but why are they doing jumps that aren't going to get scored?
 
Umm, question - what's with skaters doing mostly the same jumps? So I looked at the Girls (Junior group) elements and the skater that placed first did 2 solo triple lutz jumps and 2 triple lutz-triple loop combinations. I realize the second jump is marked invalid and not scored, but why are they doing jumps that aren't going to get scored?
In components you do one solo jump and one combo. You have two attempts on each and the better jump/combo counts. Some do the same jump two times in order to better the previous attempt, but some try harder jump or combo if the first attempt is good, like the later winner Alisa for instance. She landed solid 3Lz first, then tried 4T but fell, so the 3Lz counted. On the other hand if the first attempt is succesful, you can also skip the second attempt. Lyuba Rubtsova landed solid 3Lz at first attempt so she skipped the other attempt and went straight for the combo.
 
Hmm... Why would I watch Russian Novice Championships? :unsure:

2005 - 🥇Ksenya Stolbova
2007 - 🥇Elizaveta Tuktamysheva 🥈Adelina Sotnikova
2010 - 🥈Yulia Lipnitskaya
2011 - 🥇Elena Radionova 🥈Evgenia Medevedeva
2012 - 🥇Serafima Sakhanovich
2014 - 🥇Polina Tsurskaya
2015 - 🥇Anastasiia Gubanova
2016 - 🥇Anna Shcherbakova
2017 - 🥇Anastasiia Tarakanova 🥈Anna Shcherbakova 🥉Alexandra Trusova
2019 - 🥇Kamila Valieva 🥈Sofia Akatieva 🥉Sofia Samodielkina
This was such a good year for Tarakanova, I think she was the only one to beat Anna and Sasha that year. She's definitely the most talented Russian lady to never make it to senior Grand Prix for me, what a shame.
 
This was such a good year for Tarakanova, I think she was the only one to beat Anna and Sasha that year. She's definitely the most talented Russian lady to never make it to senior Grand Prix for me, what a shame.

Well she's not retired or quit the sport from what I know, but it doesn't look good for her does it? Tarakanova's career was really doomed by all her coach-hopping.
 
This was such a good year for Tarakanova, I think she was the only one to beat Anna and Sasha that year. She's definitely the most talented Russian lady to never make it to senior Grand Prix for me, what a shame.
Or Alena Kanysheva. At least both Tarakanova and Gubanova are still skating singles, Kanysheva had to "retire" at age 14! 😭😭

Also, in terms of skaters never making it to juniors, I'd definitely suggest Anastasia Kostyuk. Such a mature skater with just fantastic skating skills.

I hope both Kanysheva and Kostyuk have successful careers in ice dance and pairs, I'm rooting for them to become future stars!
 
Or Alena Kanysheva. At least both Tarakanova and Gubanova are still skating singles, Kanysheva had to "retire" at age 14! 😭😭

Also, in terms of skaters never making it to juniors, I'd definitely suggest Anastasia Kostyuk. Such a mature skater with just fantastic skating skills.

I hope both Kanysheva and Kostyuk have successful careers in ice dance and pairs, I'm rooting for them to become future stars!
I’m still sad that Nastya Kostyuk never even got a JGP
 
Or Alena Kanysheva. At least both Tarakanova and Gubanova are still skating singles, Kanysheva had to "retire" at age 14! 😭😭

Also, in terms of skaters never making it to juniors, I'd definitely suggest Anastasia Kostyuk. Such a mature skater with just fantastic skating skills.

I hope both Kanysheva and Kostyuk have successful careers in ice dance and pairs, I'm rooting for them to become future stars!
I think they were talking about the novice champions - Kanysheva was indeed talented but I think she only got a bronze in one year?

Gubanova, however, was probably THE best in her pre-junior years. Probably the first in her age group to land all 5 triples in competition (at age 10), had incredible spins, skating skills, and was incredibly consistent. Normally I can tell whether if a novice skater will become “a strong PCS skater” (for example, I kinda saw Dzepka and Krivonosova coming since they were 7/8...) But IMO Gubanova never got deserving PCS in her entire career, both domestically and internationally, even in the years when she was consistent. I still vividly remember Zagitova outscording her PCS at JGPF...where she skated incredibly clean to probably the best junior free skate (performance wise) I’ve ever seen.

Yeah...the few years in between where I stopped watching novice competitions was because of Gubanova. It honestly makes me sad watching a skater growing up in front of my eyes being treated unfairly...
 
I hope both Kanysheva and Kostyuk have successful careers in ice dance and pairs, I'm rooting for them to become future stars!
I don’t have much knowledge with ice dance techniques - do you think Kanysheva has a chance of making to international competition? I really hope to see more of her skating, but realistically speaking, I wouldn’t consider her having top skating skills even among singles skaters, and Russia seem to pair ice dance skaters at really young age. I think Kanysheva recently changed a partner - wish her luck!
 
I think they were talking about the novice champions - Kanysheva was indeed talented but I think she only got a bronze in one year?

Gubanova, however, was probably THE best in her pre-junior years. Probably the first in her age group to land all 5 triples in competition (at age 10), had incredible spins, skating skills, and was incredibly consistent. Normally I can tell whether if a novice skater will become “a strong PCS skater” (for example, I kinda saw Dzepka and Krivonosova coming since they were 7/8...) But IMO Gubanova never got deserving PCS in her entire career, both domestically and internationally, even in the years when she was consistent. I still vividly remember Zagitova outscording her PCS at JGPF...where she skated incredibly clean to probably the best junior free skate (performance wise) I’ve ever seen.

Yeah...the few years in between where I stopped watching novice competitions was because of Gubanova. It honestly makes me sad watching a skater growing up in front of my eyes being treated unfairly...
I'm pretty sure Kanysheva won in 2018.

But oh my god Anastasia Gubanova has been robbed her entire career. She's never gotten the PCS she deserves. It's a crime not to put her above just about every Russian lady in SS as long as she goes clean... and yet, she's been relegated to the 7s and 8s even though it's practically a fact that if she's a 7 or 8 no one is an above 9 honestly.

I totally agree that Nastya's R&J at the JGPF is the best Russian junior performance up to now. Every time I watch it I'm just astonished that she was sooooo good and also so angered that she didn't even get one 8? Not in SS, PE or IN? I would've had her at like high 8s low 9s (yes I'm biased but still). Overall, I'd say Marin's R&J and Nastya's R&J are the two best. Also she was robbed at 2018 Junior Nationals, I would've sent her to Junior Worlds...
 
I don’t have much knowledge with ice dance techniques - do you think Kanysheva has a chance of making to international competition? I really hope to see more of her skating, but realistically speaking, I wouldn’t consider her having top skating skills even among singles skaters, and Russia seem to pair ice dance skaters at really young age. I think Kanysheva recently changed a partner - wish her luck!
I don't have that much knowledge too, but I do think Kanysheva's SS were top tier in the ladies! She had good speed in her step sequences and great edge quality, good turns and ease. She was usually able to keep her speed through one foot clusters and turns and such. And her edge depth is really extremely impressive!

Looking at things, I was a bit more worried for Kostyuk since it looks like she's completely lost her triples (which, as Panfilova/Rylov have taught me, are required to be competitive in Russian pairs). Of course she's new to pairs so seeing her and her partner only do single (or double?) twists and throws and sbs jumps wasn't surprising (what is more surprising is that Viktoria Vasilieva somehow was able to get triple twists and throws after switching for like not even 6 months?). But Russian pairs is bloodbath, so I was a bit more worried to see whether or not Kostyuk could really be successful, having gotten a bit of a late start. But, seeing Vasilieva and Kadyrova be quite successful gives me hope!
 
But oh my god Anastasia Gubanova has been robbed her entire career. She's never gotten the PCS she deserves. It's a crime not to put her above just about every Russian lady in SS as long as she goes clean... and yet, she's been relegated to the 7s and 8s even though it's practically a fact that if she's a 7 or 8 no one is an above 9 honestly.

I totally agree that Nastya's R&J at the JGPF is the best Russian junior performance up to now. Every time I watch it I'm just astonished that she was sooooo good and also so angered that she didn't even get one 8? Not in SS, PE or IN? I would've had her at like high 8s low 9s (yes I'm biased but still). Overall, I'd say Marin's R&J and Nastya's R&J are the two best. Also she was robbed at 2018 Junior Nationals, I would've sent her to Junior Worlds...
I guess there are things we’ll never understand:( Maybe because she’s from St. Petersburg?
Gubanova meets every single criteria of a top PCS skater, and yes it’s a crime to give her mid 7s in SS in her senior years. As someone who’s seen some live competitions, I’d put her just behind Carolina Kostner, definitely among the tops. And her arms/ upper body movements are just dream to watch (even when she got some horrible programs in recent years...)
 
I'm pretty sure Kanysheva won in 2018.

But oh my god Anastasia Gubanova has been robbed her entire career. She's never gotten the PCS she deserves. It's a crime not to put her above just about every Russian lady in SS as long as she goes clean... and yet, she's been relegated to the 7s and 8s even though it's practically a fact that if she's a 7 or 8 no one is an above 9 honestly.

I totally agree that Nastya's R&J at the JGPF is the best Russian junior performance up to now. Every time I watch it I'm just astonished that she was sooooo good and also so angered that she didn't even get one 8? Not in SS, PE or IN? I would've had her at like high 8s low 9s (yes I'm biased but still). Overall, I'd say Marin's R&J and Nastya's R&J are the two best. Also she was robbed at 2018 Junior Nationals, I would've sent her to Junior Worlds...
Wow you said a mouthful. It really stings. Nastyas R & J was the best I've seen since Sasha Cohens in 2006. I don't think I've ever seen a 13 year old or 14 year old girl ever skate with such maturity musicality artistry and interpretation as Nastya did with their great free skate of Romeo and Juliet.

For the life of me I don't understand why Nastya G and some other Russian ladies who have no future in the federation don't change countries when they have the chance. The newer version of 3A is turning senior so they will take 6 Grand Prix events and probably 6 or more challenger spots between them. Literally nothing will be left for Nastya and several other wonderful Russian ladies.
We can rehash injustices against Gubanova from the federation but she's only 18 and should just be entering or prime in most countries. So why not leave? She has not had an International event since 2018. Nastya has certainly been her own worst enemy at times and puberty hit ber hard. I would love to see her skate competitively into her twenties. Its just not possible in Russia with all the girls coming up and Nastya having no support from the fed. I mean she had an SB worthy of a Grand Prix event or challengers a couple years ago and got nothing. The hand writing was on the wall.

Nastya T is another talent that may be on the outside looking in. Guliakova disappointed this season. Skaters get to develop for years and years in many countries in the ladies discipline like in America and Canada and so many other countries without the pressure from the younger girls coming up to blow them out of the water. That certainly not the case with the Russian ladies the pressure is on every single year. It's unbelievable that's awesome but kind of sad as well.
 
This was such a good year for Tarakanova, I think she was the only one to beat Anna and Sasha that year. She's definitely the most talented Russian lady to never make it to senior Grand Prix for me, what a shame.
She had been beating Anya and Sasha for a long time in novices. Anya managed to beat her at 2016 Novice Nats though. :giggle:
 
Moscow government is considering naming one of the new metro stations in the south-western part of the city "Sambo-70" (out of three options, 'Sambo-70' got overwhelming support from the public) :)
My reply is wayy too late for this, but just had the thought of "now it would be easier to get there". :laugh2:
 
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