Jason Brown

[Tavi...]

@sworddance21, it’s possible in theory but I think he needs to master a one quad program first. Although this was a great 4S attempt, it wasn’t clean, and he made quite a few other mistakes. Altogether, the errors (including one on a spin!) probably cost him about 10-12 points and at least one placement.

 

[fzztsimmons]

@sworddance21, it’s possible in theory but I think he needs to master a one quad program first. Although this was a great 4S attempt, it wasn’t clean, and he made quite a few other mistakes. Altogether, the errors (including one on a spin!) probably cost him about 10-12 points and at least one placement.

what was the spin error??? and maybe it's my memory failing me, but didn't he also have a spin error or at least lost levels at US nats?

 

[Tavi...]

what was the spin error??? and maybe it's my memory failing me, but didn't he also have a spin error or at least lost levels at US nats?

In the FS he got a V on his second spin (flying change foot combo spin), which means he didn’t get enough rotations on one of the positions. He only earned 3.46 points for it here, as compared to Nats, where he earned 5.04 - a loss of more than 1.5 points on that element alone.

 

[fzztsimmons]

In the FS he got a V on his second spin (flying change foot combo spin), which means he didn’t get enough rotations on one of the positions. He only earned 3.46 points for it here, as compared to Nats, where he earned 5.04 - a loss of more than 1.5 points on that element alone.

Hmmm, Just looked up his Nats FS protocol and he had a V there on his Change foot combo spin - which means this is two competitions in a row where he has lost valuable spin levels. I assume Tracy and Jason will be aware of this and sort it out, but twice in a row is a slight concern as we know how much Jason relies on all the little extra points to counterbalance the lack of quads.

 

[Bookseller]

My overall feeling is that Jason and Slaughter didn't connect well. But it's a pretty loaded program and if he was approaching it mentally, as opposed to organically, he probably felt rushed in the spins and missed that rotation. At the end of that program, I felt that he left 10 points at least on the ice from the less than stellar 3A and the spin error and the under-rotation. It wasn't his best skate, period. But the improvement in the quad attempt makes it all worthwhile. That skate was good enough, and he should have been in 6th. Several judges once again hosed him on PCs. He gave them enough ammunition to do it. But with all of that, it was still a brilliant skate. I would have liked to see him grow in that freeskate, but that was not to be. I'll be excited to see what he brings to Sinnerman and SL next year. I think he will be amazingly brilliant. I hope to see one clean quad in each program with no loss of quality to the rest of the elements. That's all he needs to be competitive. He's just so good at what he does!

 

[fzztsimmons]

Just watched the BBC coverage of the Men's Free, which had Robin Cousins commentating. He again brought out the "Jason is a skater's skater" and re his choreography "every move is purposefully made, everything has a point, has a reason". Lots of love for Jason!

 

[kan01]

Soooo ... all in the realm of speculation, but IMO, one possibility would be that maybe(???) Jason will spend some time in Chicago before WTT; then fly to WTT; then fly back to Chicago from Japan.

My guess too. My confusion is mainly because he said he'll work on the old free skate, or at least that's how I interpreted it. So that would mean working on Slaughter before WTT, then going to WTT, and then returning to Chicago and doing SL from then on. Like you said, just speculating.

 

[rollerblade]

I must be the only person who likes his Scent of Love FS more than Schindler's List. That was before the FS was reduced from 4:30 to 4:00 though, so I'm unsure how they can truncate to fit.

 

[kan01]

I must be the only person who likes his Scent of Love FS more than Schindler's List. That was before the FS was reduced from 4:30 to 4:00 though, so I'm unsure how they can truncate to fit.

I don't think he will go back to Scent of Love though. His programs for the Olympic season will (highly probable) be Sinnerman and Schindler's List. He'll train by himself for a month or so in Chicago, but not an old Rohene FS. I suppose...

 

[Tavi...]

I must be the only person who likes his Scent of Love FS more than Schindler's List. That was before the FS was reduced from 4:30 to 4:00 though, so I'm unsure how they can truncate to fit.

I love them equally, but he’s already done Piano for two seasons, and, as you note, it would need to be re choreographed. In fact, I always thought it was unfortunate that he wasn’t able to use it for the 2018 Olympic season, and that the Maxime Rodriguez piece was an attempt to recreate and build on the success of Piano without repeating the program. Sadly, it didn’t work out, and it’s exactly why I was so happy that they pulled SL after last season- which was a truncated season at that. The truth is, Jason didn’t fully develop Piano and learn its lessons until the second season, but I think it left an indelible imprint on his style. In fact in many ways SL has also seemed like a successor to Piano, just more emotional. IMO, David Wilson hasn’t been as inspired a choreographer for Jason as Rohene, who I find absolutely brilliant. But I do think SL is Wilson’s best work for him, and I think it’s very important that Jason chose the music himself; obviously the theme is personal for him and he seems to have had a lot of input into it. If this is Jason’s last FS before retiring, which I think it well could be , I think it’s good one to go out on.

Goodness, sorry for that novella - I didn’t intend to write so much.

 

[Dpbthomas1]

@kan01, I don’t blame you for being confused! As to programs....if he’s going back to SL (a David Wilson program) would he be working on that with Rohene? I suppose it’s not out of the question. But for me it sort of begs the question of whether he’s actually planning to revive a Rohene FS (like the Maxine Rodrigues from 2018 (please, no, bad luck!) or Riverdance (does he still have the stamina?)). I hope he’s going with SL, but I guess time will tell with that as well as WTT.

The only program he’s identified for next season is Sinnerman. Yay!

I really hope he doesn’t use SL again. It was nice and skated beautifully, but it’s the one program of his that I never rewatch. It’s a lovely, but very somber song with a weighty and tragic backstory. The choreography matched it welll. But to me, that meant it didn’t have the fast-paced, intricate and exuberant/joyful skating that Jason alone can deliver. And it’s not a piece that audiences are getting breathless with excitement and loudly cheering for. (Although I know many connected emotionally with the piece). I think this year’s free skate has more unique Jason-esque moves and transitions (knee slide to camel spin) and is much more exciting.
Like Riverdance. The crowd was standing well before the end. Seems judges might also get caught up in the excitement.???
Although I think Jason really loves SL. So, whatever makes him happy and whatever the coaches think will work best.

Just my 2 cents .....

 

[Tavi...]

@Dpbthomas1 I think we’re all just speculating based on the fact he said he would be keeping Sinnerman and also reusing one of his FS. I suppose there’s a possibility it’s Slaughter but if so, it’s a bit odd he didn’t just say he was keeping both of this year’s programs - though it’s quite possible he’s just not sure which one it will be.

I know quite a few of his fans (I’m looking at you, @el henry ) love his more energetic programs best. And I know Slaughter has some great moves. But it’s not exactly a joyous piece (the guy is dancing with a girl in a bar, a fight breaks out over the girl, and the girl is accidentally shot and killed).

This has been a weird season so it’s a bit hard to compare audience /judge response to his programs. If you’re talking about the little audience at Worlds (?) I guess I’d say it was composed of his knowledgeable and supportive peers and not the general public. We haven’t really seen how a real crowd reacts to it, and none of the judging panels who’ve scored it so far have given it the high marks he got with SL. At 2020 Nats, SL definitely wove a magic spell over the audience and judges alike. It’s not an absolutely fair comparison bc he hasn’t had as much time with Slaughter as he did with SL, and maybe he’s just not as comfortable with it yet. I don’t at all think Slaughter is a terrible program but I’ve heard a lot of people call it “generic.” For me the problem is that Jason himself doesn’t seem to have the same connection with Slaughter as he did with SL. In the end though it’s what he wants to do, not what I want him to do.

I will say that probably the most iconic FS at the Sochi Olympics was Lipnitskaia’s SL program. So there’s that.

Time will tell, I guess.

 

[sworddance21]

@sworddance21, it’s possible in theory but I think he needs to master a one quad program first. Although this was a great 4S attempt, it wasn’t clean, and he made quite a few other mistakes. Altogether, the errors (including one on a spin!) probably cost him about 10-12 points and at least one placement.

Oh, absolutely! I'm just dreaming a little bit. . I'm usually the first to say "one step at a time." I just got a little excited!!

 

[fzztsimmons]

Actually having seen Slaughter this season, it's made me realise how much I preferred Schindler's List. Nothing wrong with Slaughter and it has grown on me with more outings, but I feel like with Jason trying to up his game so technically in the free, I think he can run the risk of trying to chase the music a bit with something too fast. I'm getting the feeling this is what has happened with the two spin errors he's had - very unusual for Jason and both in the FS. I think the SP where he is pretty confident with this tech, and only has 4 jumps to worry about gives him more room to go all out and Sinnerman is ofc exquisite. I feel like SL gives him more room to breathe, highlight his incredible extension, clarity of movement, and also he is comfortable with the material which I hope meakes it easier to focus on adding in the technical arsenal he needs. Its also been his highest scoring FS since he went to TCC, even without a quad, so I think it was very well received by the judges. I also think they counter each other perfectly - upbeat energetic Sinnerman and a soulful SL.
I do hope however that if they are bringing Schindler's List back they continue to add in more choreography and tweaks to it as I still think there was room to improve it!

 

[karne]

I think a lot of us are making the Sinnerman's List assumption because after the abrupt end of the last season Jason did say he felt he had unfinished business with Schindler's List. Combine that with the statement that he'd be bringing back an FS, a lot of us feel it can only be Schindler's he means.

To me, I do think it would be absoltuely perfect. Jason's Schindler's is a masterpiece and Sinnerman is of course also a masterpiece.

 

[sworddance21]

May I just take a moment to say how appreciative I am of the intelligent, analytical, and kind nature of the fan base in this group!

 

[Bookseller]

I love them equally, but he’s already done Piano for two seasons, and, as you note, it would need to be re choreographed. In fact, I always thought it was unfortunate that he wasn’t able to use it for the 2018 Olympic season, and that the Maxime Rodriguez piece was an attempt to recreate and build on the success of Piano without repeating the program. Sadly, it didn’t work out, and it’s exactly why I was so happy that they pulled SL after last season- which was a truncated season at that. The truth is, Jason didn’t fully develop Piano and learn its lessons until the second season, but I think it left an indelible imprint on his style. In fact in many ways SL has also seemed like a successor to Piano, just more emotional. IMO, David Wilson hasn’t been as inspired a choreographer for Jason as Rohene, who I find absolutely brilliant. But I do think SL is Wilson’s best work for him, and I think it’s very important that Jason chose the music himself; obviously the theme is personal for him and he seems to have had a lot of input into it. If this is Jason’s last FS before retiring, which I think it well could be , I think it’s good one to go out on.

Goodness, sorry for that novella - I didn’t intend to write so much.

All very good points! Jason connected well to SL and it's meaningful to him on several levels. I think it's a great program to bring to the Olympics. It's a contrast to Sinnerman, which is very modern, packed full of movement and angles and the music is probably unfamiliar to most of the people who will watch the Olympics. Let's hope that USFS sees it that way and sends him! I loved The Piano and Scent of Love, but it's good for him to move on. They're from his "before" career. He's moved on, but fortunately not from his partnership with Ro. Together they are absolutely brilliant.

 

[Tavi...]

Jason will be competing at World Team Trophy!

http://www.isuresults.com/events/wtt2021_Men.htm

 

[zebobes]

Do you guys think it would be worth it for Jason to try to put in a Quad into his SP, since WTT is a "risk free" event? Or do you think it would be too much too quickly?

 

[kan01]

I'm glad Jason will have his usual number of competitions per second half of season. After all, 2020-2021 won't be so bad for him.