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NAOTMAA said:
Is Plushenko as “5! 5! 5!” as much as Trusova is? I know he’s of course a big supporter of the quads and insists they are a must have but does he support 5?

I know he had to practically twist her arm to water it down for nationals but I don’t know if that was a one time thing due to her injury or something that’s more ongoing
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As far as I know he didn’t have to twist her arm for Nationals, she just couldn’t physically land any other quad jump beside 4Lz because of her injury. At least she said so herself, that she didn’t have a choice, recently she said other jumps were just too painful.
 
nussnacker said:
As far as I know he didn’t have to twist her arm for Nationals, she just couldn’t physically land any other quad jump beside 4Lz because of her injury. At least she said so herself, that she didn’t have a choice, recently she said other jumps were just too painful.
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Thanks for clearing that up. I assume she’s thankfully much better now considering her jumping in the practices.
 
lariko said:
Sinitsina also has potential for 3A and a quad or both. We dunno about Frolova yet.
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In juniors, Akatyeva and Berestovskaya will come from Tutberidze’s school with quads, and Samodelkina from CSKA... i am not sure what is the current status of Muravieva and Zhilina, they both seemed to be struggling.
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Zhilina's struggling for sure, but multiple quads and 3A is still multiple quads and 3A.
 
bubblecherry said:
Of course I watched RusNats! I think that plays a role in why I was so underwhelmed by the Russian ladies here. I love Anna’s skating, I’m so happy to see her as 3x Nat Champion and World Champion. I don’t love Liza or Sasha’s skating, but I’ve enjoyed watching them all season long because they provided strong competition at events with other girls who had different strengths, too. They provided a good balance of different types of skating, and make the competitive level rise of each competition. I don’t think they provided those things to me here. At least not in the way I was expecting/hoping for.

Last thing, I think the Russian ladies are the class of the field in just about every category. So, to have Anna not in top form, as well as 2 other ladies with weaker performance and skating skills (even if it wasn’t reflected in the scores) just felt kind of “meh.” The diversity of skating in Kamila, Daria, and Aliona, even Evgenia and Alina was missed for me. I guess my point is that any combination of the Worlds team, and the skaters above could’ve swept the podium with the score range of 217-233. So, it’s just unfortunate that the Worlds team did so with pretty subpar performances.

I guess that’s what I mean by I didn’t necessarily like this “trio” or this “lineup” particularly. They all deserved their spots, and they all delivered the sweep, certainly! Just my personal opinion is that it’s not the most dynamic, entertaining, or thoughtful trio of Russian ladies which perhaps contributed to why I feel so underwhelmed. I’m sure the team next year will be different. I hope it’s dynamic and super competitive amongst themselves (I think this will happen!)
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Well explained BC.

We will certainly have a little more diversity in talent next season. Although Anna Liza and Sasha are all different for sure.

This worlds for the ladies was kind of mediocre compared to Russian Nationals where so many Russian ladirs were absolutely sensational. I mean you will probably agree that Sasha followed by KV followed by Anya was among the best back to back to back ladies free skate we've ever seen!. Then Dasha capped it all off as the last skater with a superb performance of her own.

I certainly look forward to seeing what Zhenya can do next season when she's healthy and you know she is going to be hungry to compete.
If she can get things figured out physically I think she can score in the 220 point to 230 point range if not more. Will Zhenya get the so called EG bonus and will judges be thrilled to see her? I believe so.
 
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Scott512 said:
I certainly look forward to seeing what Zhenya can do next season when she's healthy and you know she is going to be hungry to compete.
If she can get things figured out physically I think she can score in the 220 point to 230 point range if not more. Will Zhenya get the so called EG bonus and will judges be thrilled to see her? I believe so.
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Medvedeva isn't coming back. Neither is Zagitova. It would be atrocious if they are named to the Russian team. I'm not sure I even understand why both skaters' endorsements even require them to be on the "team". They aren't even competing when they're on it! Clearly their endorsements know that and they don't care. They can still say they 'plan to compete' like Sotnikova did for four years. So why do they need to be on the Team???
 
LiamForeman said:
Medvedeva isn't coming back. Neither is Zagitova. It would be atrocious if they are named to the Russian team. I'm not sure I even understand why both skaters' endorsements even require them to be on the "team". They aren't even competing when they're on it! Clearly their endorsements know that and they don't care. They can still say they 'plan to compete' like Sotnikova did for four years. So why do they need to be on the Team???
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I don't think Alina will be named to the team unless she makes a commitment in the next couple months to returning to competitive skating. Zhenya is planning to compete. And she is name to the national team do not be surprised. Yes the spots are precious and the Grand Prix events are precious.

I remember Adelina still wanting to compete a couple years after she won Olympic gold. But physically she never got back to where she needed to be.
 
chasingneverland said:
Considering that she was injured and therefore unable to practice either the 4F or the 4S (or the 3A for that matter) for awhile, I also think that played a role in their consistency as well. And she's been inconsistent on all 3 jumps even before injury. Her 4Lz and 4T ARE more consistent.

Also she CAN'T do both two 4Lz AND two 4T's. She'll Zayak. You're only allowed to repeat one quad (one in combo) and one triple (one in combo) (or two triples.) So she HAS to do either two 4Lz's, one 4T, one 4F, and one 4S OR two 4T's, one 4Lz, one 4F, and one 4S to bring her total to 5 quads. So actually she HAS to do the 4S AND the 4F, if she's determined to do 5 quads. Even if she does 4 quads, she HAS to do either the 4F (which she's getting edge calls on now but is worth more) or the 4S (which is inconsistent). As both the 4Lz and 4Ts are more stable, she backloads both and the 4Lz is worth more so she that's the one she chooses to repeat. But backloading them increases the chances that she misses them because she's more tired and then struggling to get the rotation in - and when she under-rotates them even if she doesn't fall she actually loses points compared to if she were to do her 3F+1Eu+3S and 3Lz+3T/3Lz+3Lo and 3Lz in the bonus section. So actually bringing in more quads DOES change the type of quads AND the layout she's forced to do.
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Don't forget 4 Loop. She is in a race with Sofia Samodelkina and Young You, who will do the first 4 Loop in ISU Competition.
I've said it for a long time, it's better to get an e! call for a 4F than to have a 4S fall. I just don't understand why she doesn't get rid of that terrible 4S with lower BV than 4F, 4Loop.
 
Late to the party, but I just want to say, congratulations to our champion Anna Shcherbakova! She is simply amazing. Alexandra Trusova is my superhero, and Elizaveta Tuktamysheva is always an inspiration. I am so sad that my favourite, Alena, did not get a chance to shine on the world stage this year. I will look forward to seeing her skate again next season.
 
AFAIR it was only Chen who did 6 quads, and even he had to repeat two quads (Lz & T) before the strict Zayak enforced. Now to make 6 quads one needs 5 quads ready, for 5 quads 4 are enough.
But more challenging is the shortened FP time.

Russian sport gossipers and Trusova's haters talk about Chen's example. Trusova may see her tactics proven to be successful with Chen's victory. Indeed, having all 5 good landed and no major errors elsewhere, the 12th place instantly becomes the 1st.

Sasha could "Frozen" the whole female FS... good she didn't. Not the proper time yet...
 
chasingneverland said:
Considering that she was injured and therefore unable to practice either the 4F or the 4S (or the 3A for that matter) for awhile, I also think that played a role in their consistency as well. And she's been inconsistent on all 3 jumps even before injury. Her 4Lz and 4T ARE more consistent.

Also she CAN'T do both two 4Lz AND two 4T's. She'll Zayak. You're only allowed to repeat one quad (one in combo) and one triple (one in combo) (or two triples.) So she HAS to do either two 4Lz's, one 4T, one 4F, and one 4S OR two 4T's, one 4Lz, one 4F, and one 4S to bring her total to 5 quads. So actually she HAS to do the 4S AND the 4F, if she's determined to do 5 quads. Even if she does 4 quads, she HAS to do either the 4F (which she's getting edge calls on now but is worth more) or the 4S (which is inconsistent). As both the 4Lz and 4Ts are more stable, she backloads both and the 4Lz is worth more so she that's the one she chooses to repeat. But backloading them increases the chances that she misses them because she's more tired and then struggling to get the rotation in - and when she under-rotates them even if she doesn't fall she actually loses points compared to if she were to do her 3F+1Eu+3S and 3Lz+3T/3Lz+3Lo and 3Lz in the bonus section. So actually bringing in more quads DOES change the type of quads AND the layout she's forced to do.
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Hmm I'm a bit confused on the rules then. I thought that you could repeat two types of quads as long as it's in combination, for example: 4T, 4T+3T, 4Lz, 4Lz+3T.

But if that's not possible then yeah, it does make it additionally harder.

I think since she was injured she might've not been able to practice the 4T and the 3A, and started focusing even more on the other jumps. As good as her 4S is, I think she might be struggling with it like with the 3A because it's an edge jump. But who knows.

All in all, I'd like to believe that we haven't seen the best of Sasha yet (we might never, but that's different).
 
LiamForeman said:
Medvedeva isn't coming back. Neither is Zagitova. It would be atrocious if they are named to the Russian team. I'm not sure I even understand why both skaters' endorsements even require them to be on the "team". They aren't even competing when they're on it! Clearly their endorsements know that and they don't care. They can still say they 'plan to compete' like Sotnikova did for four years. So why do they need to be on the Team???
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I get what you're saying and I even agree, but at the same time if Liza wasn't on the team for a few years when she was struggling maybe she would've had an even harder time coming back. Of course now the situation is different since there are multiple skaters who are much better than them already or at least have a lot of potential, so it might be more justifiable if they do get left off.
 
iamchrislao said:
Evgenia and Alina watching must've thought: hmmm, yup. We're not retiring....
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I posted something similar to that a couple days ago. I think Zhenya wants to compete again. We still don't know about Alina.

Compared to Russian nationals ladies worlds for the ladies was a little disappointing. The quality of the skates was not nearly as high as Russian ladies nationals. It's like Anna peakef in late December and that was my fear heading into worlds but many skaters struggled there which opened the door to her winning gold basically on cruise control.
 
Skuratov said:
Don't forget 4 Loop. She is in a race with Sofia Samodelkina and Young You, who will do the first 4 Loop in ISU Competition.
I've said it for a long time, it's better to get an e! call for a 4F than to have a 4S fall. I just don't understand why she doesn't get rid of that terrible 4S with lower BV than 4F, 4Loop.
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Because it's MOST important to land the jump at all. So it's ALWAYS better to go with the one that is most consistent.
 
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