What's the meaning of "offered conditions"?
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What's the meaning of "offered conditions"?
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I‘m sorry but I seriously doubt that. Both Medvedeva and Zagitova were invited in 2019, both declined without any issue and participated in shows shortly afterwards. Medvedeva was injured but Zagitova could withdraw and I‘m not sure we ever even found out the reasons given. ISU is not going to force a skater to participate in an event like this - not in the middle of a pandemic and especially not if said skater has been openly battling health problems for months. Skating while facing the aftermaths of serious illness for a World Championship is different than risking your health for a fun tournament that ultimately does not matter. And performing in a show puts less strain on the body than skating two fully competitive programs as well. Stating those reasons would allow her to withdraw without causing any troubles.
Anyway, it probably does not matter because both her and her team are set on going. I just question the logic in this decision in face of the year she has ahead of her and the state her body is still in.
It would be the same for Trusova, BTW, who, too, has been injured for a while.
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I made a direct translation. Just means they were working under certain given conditions.
Thanks for the info. Didn't now there are rules for participating in the WORLD TEAM TROPHY. I thought the feds can form their teams at wish.
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Thats nice to hear, im really looking forward to her next season!
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Regardless, they replace her with Sasha and next is Aliona. Both of which are also struggling with injuries/illnesses. They'll never send Liza N.
And Anna won't be doing quads, almost certainly. Also it's not like she'd be resting anyway. She would be doing two programs per show - although one would be an exhibition, the other will be a competition routine - she already said that well before this. But she would still be doing 6 programs in 5 days (14, 17, and 18) versus 2 programs in 3 days (15-18).
They could say she's injured/il and the Fed wouldn't submit her and the ISU would be like okay. But she's already looking slightly vulnerable (although they all are except for Kamila), and they've already had enough negative press about her being ill, etc. They'll want her to get another medal.
And it's not like she would get to rest anyway.. In fact I kinda think skating in Eteri's show would be more work than world team trophy in Japan with Daniil.
Another reason too, is without Sasha there she'll likely look really good against the rest of the field - Rika still really remains the only threat and she's also struggling with injuries. (Liza T too but she's also done a lot of competitions this year and even with an "easier" layout, Anna should win.)
At Eteri's show, she would be directly compared with Kamila and Aliona, etc who are also receiving star billing and Kamila will almost definitely be doing her 3A/ 4T at least in the show. Kamila's exhibition is essentially her program for goodness skates.
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Send Nugumanova or....
Aliona the first alternate for Worlds!
As you pointed out and it's time for Anya to rest for several weeks.
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Alena's sole focus should be rediscovering her 2019-20 form right now. She needs to be in peak form by late summer when competitive events begin for the Olympic season, and she's way behind where she needs to be.
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I still find the rules a bit ridiculous, regardless of whether Anna should go or not. I mean, as others have stated this is the World Team Trophy. It’s not really that serious a competition, and even if it was, no skater should be forced by the ISU to go. The rules state that you need medical notes and such, and that the ISU has to approve. They also state that if a skater does withdraw due to illness or injury, they can’t compete until the ISU says ok. Like why? I understand that they want to be able to hold an event, but forcing athletes to compete if they don’t want to, especially for rest, doesn’t seem to me like a good way to hold a fun competition.
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I'm sad Sasha wasn't chosen to go to WTT. It's a low-stress competition and there will be fans and the results still count as official scores. She would have the opportunity to do everything she wants with no consequences and if on the off chance it works, she could set a new WR. I do understand why though.
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They won't send Liza N. They can't. It's only available to ISU skaters who have qualified for participation in the World Team Trophy. That's based on the 2019-2020 GP/GPF (or if necessary the JGP/JGPF) and World's 2021 (or Euros 2020/World Juniors 2020). Liza N didn't go to ANY of those and has 1 international senior competition EVER - 2019 CS Warsaw. So she's not even eligible. And regardless doesn't have close to a high enough ranking.
Aliona they can send! Either she or Sasha are next in line. But Aliona is in even worse shape than Anna and further from a complete recovery.
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Anna likes competing.
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As I understand:
Anna's points come from Grand Prix Final (720) + World's 2021 (1200) = 1920
Liza's points come from Cup of China (324) + World's 2021 (1080) = 1404
Sasha's points come from Grand Prix Final (648) + World's 2021 (972) = 1620
Aliona's points come from Grand Prix Final (800) + Euros (840) = 1640 - so they actually used Aliona's points in calculating it/qualifying because it goes by highest - at least her GPF points - because it's cumulative best. But Liza gets the spot based on best World's appearance (of Liza Sasha and Aiona) - and they would have used her World's points - as I understand it. And it Aliona's case they would just be like she's ill/injured/recovering.
So really they used Grand Prix Final: Aliona's 800 + Anna's 720 = 1520
And World's: Anna's 1200 + Liza's 1080: 2280
That's how I understand how they determined the ladies' qualification..
No other events other than World's, Euro's, World Junior's, GPF, GP, and JP are used. (So Liza N is not even close to eligible to go as she hasn't even been to one of those in the counting years.)
Note: Liza T and Sofia S could go in 2019 because that year both of them made the GPF (Liza T got bronze), Sofia won Euro's, and Sofia went to World's. So they actually had eligible events - and therefore an actual top ranking.
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I’m right with you on all of this Scott
RusNats was a gift. Competition of a lifetime.I think Zhenya can return and do well if she wants to. She wouldn’t have gotten eaten alive this season with her 2019 layout and form. She would’ve fared very well actually. Even just 7 months ago she was landing different 3-3s and made it through a SP, and that was with injuries. Her injuries must be feeling better after recovery, so it’s entirely up to whether she wants to compete or not. Covid recovery is also a factor. I think and hope she could do it.
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Evgeniss injuries have hopefully healed and she can have a normal off season and then go to test skates raring to go.I’m right with you on all of this Scott
I think Zhenya can return and do well if she wants to. She wouldn’t have gotten eaten alive this season with her 2019 layout and form. She would’ve fared very well actually. Even just 7 months ago she was landing different 3-3s and made it through a SP, and that was with injuries. Her injuries must be feeling better after recovery, so it’s entirely up to whether she wants to compete or not. Covid recovery is also a factor. I think and hope she could do it.
Liza was in the Saint Petersburg wilderness for years after she won worlds and people are thrilled she's hung around all these years. So I find it ironic so many people want Zhenya to retire when she's 3 years younger than Liza.
It kind of made she go hmmm. They both get to retire whenever they feel like it.
I do wonder if Elizaveta mindset will change now that her perseverance has finally paid off with a Worlds medal. Kinda like how Mirai Nagasu after many years of persevering and winning olympic team bronze, withered away very soon afterwards. In the kiss n cry, it felt like Elizaveta had finally accomplished her ultimate goal of getting back on the worlds podium. I dont know if her goal also includes making the olympic team which is another heck of a challenge. Of course you could say, she made the team this year so why couldnt she next year. But next year she wont be as lucky as there was just her and Alena fighting for the 3rd spot this year. There will be Kamila, Anna, Alexandra, Alena, Daria and Maiia. And the thing is all 6 of them has had a higher domestic season best score than Elizaveta. Which means she will need to count on their mistakes to get into the team. She will require 4 of them to have a bad season. I just dont think her motivation will be the same again after the euphoria of finally winning a Worlds medal again and having to fight against all these girls.
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Lol. Yesterday the ISU said any skater who didn't perform at the Gala would be penalized.
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Why? That’s just ridiculous. The gala.... Like why???
Seriously, does anyone here know the official reason?
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Why is everyone assuming that the skaters don't want to go to WTT?
I'm sure most of them are happy to have another competition after Worlds to look forward to, specially since it's in Japan and with an audience and the more relaxed and fun team event format (and the possibility of earning prize money).
I think the skaters would actually be very happy to be invited. At least the ones who have commented or posted about it on social media seem excited.
I'm sure most of them are happy to have another competition after Worlds to look forward to, specially since it's in Japan and with an audience and the more relaxed and fun team event format (and the possibility of earning prize money).
I think the skaters would actually be very happy to be invited. At least the ones who have commented or posted about it on social media seem excited.
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