2020-21 Russian Ladies' Figure Skating

[nussnacker]

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Interview with Alena after the show.
She says she hasn't even been attempting the 3A yet, since Dudakov hasn't been available to hold her in the harness, and she fears repeated injury from trying without it. This doesn't come as a surprise and she has the whole summer left, but it still makes me feel a bit deflated and worried that she hasn't even been attempting it at all yet. Especially since Darya's "I wanna get it over with the 3A as soon as possible so I can move on to the 4S".
Even if Alena gets back her 3A in summer, there'd be no time to even hope for a quad I fear

I think her scoring potential without a quad, with 3*3A is still something that not many Russian ladies can match.

I think it’s good that they’re taking it slow, she doesn’t need to rush right now. She’s been building up her stamina, and I think we can already see that she’s looking stronger.

Besides, Aliona has demonstrated consistency with her 3a like no one else. If she gets it back, I think she’ll be doing 3 of them again. She probably won’t need the same timeframe as Daria will probably need, to start landing it in her programs.

 

[JazzUp]

Anya has been nominated for the USSA "Athlete of the Month" ballot

 

[Tonight's the Night]

Anya has been nominated for the USSA "Athlete of the Month" ballot

I don't quite know what that is but one can cast a vote for Anna and a vote for Nathan, thus hopefully supporting figure skating in general.

 

[LiamV426]

I think her scoring potential without a quad, with 3*3A is still something that not many Russian ladies can match.

I think it’s good that they’re taking it slow, she doesn’t need to rush right now. She’s been building up her stamina, and I think we can already see that she’s looking stronger.

Besides, Aliona has demonstrated consistency with her 3a like no one else. If she gets it back, I think she’ll be doing 3 of them again. She probably won’t need the same timeframe as Daria will probably need, to start landing it in her programs.

Yeah I agree. I'm glad to hear she's taking it slow because the last thing I want to hear is her injuring herself trying to get it back. I've been doubtful of her chances of getting a Quad and don't think she really needs it anyway. Maybe to win the Olympics over Kamila, but not necessarily to make the Olympic team.

It's definitely a vulnerability but most of the girls have one. If she gets her 3A back and is consistent with it she will score well internationally, unfortunately she may need to rely on others to make mistakes on their Quads but let's face it, that's bound to happen.

TBH I would just forget the quad and focus on getting the consistency back because that (and her PCS) was her weapon during the 2019-20 season.

 

[JazzUp]

TeamTutberidze show in Perm, first half:

 

[silveruskate]

Khromykh landed another 4T!!!

(at the end of the show)

 

[chasingneverland]

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Interview with Alena after the show.
She says she hasn't even been attempting the 3A yet, since Dudakov hasn't been available to hold her in the harness, and she fears repeated injury from trying without it. This doesn't come as a surprise and she has the whole summer left, but it still makes me feel a bit deflated and worried that she hasn't even been attempting it at all yet. Especially since Darya's "I wanna get it over with the 3A as soon as possible so I can move on to the 4S".
Even if Alena gets back her 3A in summer, there'd be no time to even hope for a quad I fear

She doesn't need a quad. She's been injured trying the 3A before so I'm glad she's staying safe.

 

[silveruskate]

I think the worst thing for any skater coming into this season is recklessly trying a difficult jump and getting injured. Without tip-top physicality it all becomes impossible anyways.

 

[Vilord]

Interview with Alena after the show.
She says she hasn't even been attempting the 3A yet, since Dudakov hasn't been available to hold her in the harness, and she fears repeated injury from trying without it.

Is Dudakov really the only one there who can hold the harness? Daniil should deffenitely be able to as well but even if he has been busy with the shows they should surely have one other man there for the sole purpose of harness lifting since they have so many skaters working on quads.

 

[snowflake]

Is Dudakov really the only one there who can hold the harness? Daniil should deffenitely be able to as well but even if he has been busy with the shows they should surely have one other man there for the sole purpose of harness lifting since they have so many skaters working on quads.

Is there a special gift/training to be able to hold a harness? Couldn't anyone learn to do it including a woman. After all it's about helping with timing/prevent a bad fall not lifting or.....

Can you do it Vilord?

 

[chasingneverland]

I assume Anna and Liza won't be in Perm as WTT is just around the corner. I think they'd have to fly to Osaka Sunday or no later than Monday.

Yeah. Perm already happened and Anna wasn't there. Liza would have been a guest so just going to Moscow.

 

[chasingneverland]

Is Dudakov really the only one there who can hold the harness? Daniil should deffenitely be able to as well but even if he has been busy with the shows they should surely have one other man there for the sole purpose of harness lifting since they have so many skaters working on quads.

It's more that the coaches were all busy with Anna at Worlds. All three of the main coaches went with Anna (and to the training camp before that) and were also focused on her in the lead up to Worlds. They also are working with her for WTT.

And they also all have show rehearsal.

While Anna was at Worlds, everyone else was working on the show and doing fun super long jump combos and stuff. But without the main coaches. Most of the other girls have their jumps anyway. So if they're working on jumps, they're working with Punin. Daria I think was doing that. So others can hold the harness or at least at as jumping specialists.

I feel like right now they're not focusing on gaining new jumps, as a group. That'll be when they come back from their break after the shows I think. I think they're on vacation in May.

 

[JazzUp]

Maya's 4T at the TT show in Perm:

 

[starlight97]

Is Dudakov really the only one there who can hold the harness? Daniil should deffenitely be able to as well but even if he has been busy with the shows they should surely have one other man there for the sole purpose of harness lifting since they have so many skaters working on quads.

I was wondering the same thing when I heard her say that. But Sasha mentioned something similar in the past, in one of the interviews she gave after leaving Tutberidze I believe, about not being able to train some quad she wanted to learn cause there wasn't enough availability on the harness.

I'm not even surprised about there apparently being nobody else to hold the harness, but surprised that that would be Dudakov's job in the first place.
This being the top FS school in the world atm and him being the technical specialist of the top FS school, I would have expected them to have at least 1 but actually several random guys that can do the rather "primitive" task of holding a harness, and Dudakov concerning himself with advising and technical corrections.

 

[chasingneverland]

I was wondering the same thing when I heard her say that. But Sasha mentioned something similar in the past, in one of the interviews she gave after leaving Tutberidze I believe, about not being able to train some quad she wanted to learn cause there wasn't enough availability on the harness.

I'm not even surprised about there apparently being nobody else to hold the harness, but surprised that that would be Dudakov's job in the first place.
This being the top FS school in the world atm and him being the technical specialist of the top FS school, I would have expected them to have at least 1 but actually several random guys that can do the rather "primitive" task of holding a harness, and Dudakov concerning himself with advising and technical corrections.

I think there must be.

Daria said she learned all her triples and 3+3's with Artyom who she calls a good jumping specialist. Because Daria said he's who's helping her with the 3A. And I would be surprised if she tried without a harness. Even off ice.

That group is younger though, so it could just be confidence maybe? Or familiarly?

 

[CrazyKittenLady]

Maya's 4T at the TT show in Perm:

Good for her! Maiia is my Olympic dark horse.

 

[Mathman]

I would have expected them to have at least 1 but actually several random guys that can do the rather "primitive" task of holding a harness, and Dudakov concerning himself with advising and technical corrections.

I don't know, but I would imagine that there is more to it than just holding the pole so that if the skater falters she is left dangling in the air instread of crashing to the ice. I wqould expect that the trainer and the skater have to work together, get used to each other, etc., which would make a skater hesitate to try it with just any random assistant.

 

[starlight97]

That group is younger though, so it could just be confidence maybe? Or familiarly?

You mean feeling only/most comfortable with Dudakov on the harness? Maybe.

Either way, smart of Alena to recognize that she has already accumulated enough injuries and not wanting to risk another one. I think that's one of the many things that comes with maturity, she's almost 18 now after all. The older you get, the smarter you have to be in training as well, cause your body can't take anymore what it could at 14.
I feel like that's a kind of wisdom juniors and for example Sasha still lack, that's why they need to be reigned in by the coach.

 

[Vilord]

Is there a special gift/training to be able to hold a harness? Couldn't anyone learn to do it including a woman. After all it's about helping with timing/prevent a bad fall not lifting or.....

Can you do it Vilord?

While its true technicaly anyone can lift in a harness I myself regularly lift kids in a harness. But Im a short woman of 158cm and I find that kids over 12-13 (obviously its more about the height/weigth of the kids than the age) is out of my strength/height. Eteri is of course a relatively tall woman so she could probably lift some of them but I doubt that she does it tbh. With elite skaters jumping quads in a harness you almost allways see men agen 25-40 lifting and I think there is a reason for that. Lifting in a harness requires height and back/shoulder/arm stength especially if the skater in question is doing quads (and not 1A and doubles like I ususally lift).

 

[Vilord]

I don't know, but I would imagine that there is more to it than just holding the pole so that if the skater falters she is left dangling in the air instread of crashing to the ice. I wqould expect that the trainer and the skater have to work together, get used to each other, etc., which would make a skater hesitate to try it with just any random assistant.

There is certainly some skill in timing when lifting. But I dont think it actually requires any knowlege of figure skating jumps. Just decent Skating skills, good balance and enough strength combined with practice. Ive seen videos of what looks like hockey playes lifting figure skaters.