Coaches' Corner

[Scott512]

I think their placements were as high as the Russian Fed was hoping for. An outside chance at the bronze medal for Mikhail although he was always going to be at a technical disadvantage. They were hoping for 3 spots..but definitely weren't sure of it.

If there was a junior season perhaps yes. Kamila and Daria would have been very hard to beat. However, that has already been established the previous year..

International results are of much more value..

Fair points.. Except without the Grand Prix season and the Grand Prix final and Europeans the international scene went down the tubes this season due to covid.

 

[chasingneverland]

Fair points.. Except without the Grand Prix season and the Grand Prix final and Europeans the international scene went down the tubes this season due to covid.

Well yes. But that's the same for all coaches and doesn't change the results.

It basically comes down to all of Eteri's skaters (those that stayed with her) are in pretty much the same position they were last season. (Yes, a couple upgrades here and there but for the most part roughly the same.)

On the other hand, a coach like Mishin's skaters for the most part all exceeded expectations. Liza T was never expected to be on the World's team much less get a silver and beat Sasha. Evgeni wasn't even supposed to skate seniors this season. He was named to Rostelecom as a replacement and showed up when it mattered at the Russian Cup. And then did as well as anyone could have expected (really a bit better) at World's. Mikhail, while expectations were different for him, has struggled under pressure before but was much more consistent here and along with Evgeni got three spots back for Russia.

 

[metconahay]

On the other hand, a coach like Mishin's skaters for the most part all exceeded expectations. Liza T was never expected to be on the World's team much less get a silver and beat Sasha. Evgeni wasn't even supposed to skate seniors this season. He was named to Rostelecom as a replacement and showed up when it mattered at the Russian Cup. And then did as well as anyone could have expected (really a bit better) at World's. Mikhail, while expectations were different for him, has struggled under pressure before but was much more consistent here and along with Evgeni got three spots back for Russia.

I agree, I read a few of the interviews that came out in the Russian media, and it's clear that everybody was just thrilled that Mikhail and Evgeni went out there and gave solid performances. Nobody was expecting Mikhail or Evgeni to go beat Nathan Chen and win gold, but the fact that they exceeded expectations is a huge boon for Mishin.

 

[Scott512]

I agree, I read a few of the interviews that came out in the Russian media, and it's clear that everybody was just thrilled that Mikhail and Evgeni went out there and gave solid performances. Nobody was expecting Mikhail or Evgeni to go beat Nathan Chen and win gold, but the fact that they exceeded expectations is a huge boon for Mishin.

I wanted a bronze for Misha. No lower than 4th.

Fortunately they got the 3 spots for Russia next year by the skin of their teeth.

 

[Amei]

Umm, apparently Rozanov attempted to go to CSKA and Buyanova refused him https://m.sports.ru/figure-skating/...a-na-rabotu-rozanova-ne-xochu-povtoryat.html?

 

[nussnacker]

Umm, apparently Rozanov attempted to go to CSKA and Buyanova refused him https://m.sports.ru/figure-skating/...a-na-rabotu-rozanova-ne-xochu-povtoryat.html?

Yikes. Buyanova really decided to bury Sergej by saying what she said. Ooof!
Good luck finding a team in Russia after that!

I remember I said this year is „do or die“ for Sergej and Plushenko. They were very ambitious, and it was very risky to take that kind of responsibility given their lack of experience. So it’s a „die“ it looks like.

 

[flanker]

I feel particular pity for him, but that just shows you have to be responsible with your decisions. From a "jumping specialist genius" and "russian prince charming" to loser in less than a season...

 

[Amei]

Yikes. Buyanova really decided to bury Sergej by saying what she said. Ooof!
Good luck finding a team in Russia after that!

I remember I said this year is „do or die“ for Sergej and Plushenko. They were very ambitious, and it was very risky to take that kind of responsibility given their lack of experience. So it’s a „die“ it looks like.

Yeah, without knowing the inner details of it all, I feel a bit bad for Rozanov - he seemed to be doing great at Sambo and thought he was ready for more responsibilities than Eteri was willing to give him so he took a leap and went elsewhere and it appears to have really blown up in his face. And now a coach that when it was mentioned he left Sambo might be the real "death blow" to Eteri's reign of domination seemingly can't get a job less than a year later.

And this is another coaching departure or attempted departure from AoP, they can't seem to keep coaches or students

 

[ELEk3k]

Yeah, without knowing the inner details of it all, I feel a bit bad for Rozanov - he seemed to be doing great at Sambo and thought he was ready for more responsibilities than Eteri was willing to give him so he took a leap and went elsewhere and it appears to have really blown up in his face. And now a coach that when it was mentioned he left Sambo might be the real "death blow" to Eteri's reign of domination seemingly can't get a job less than a year later.

And this is another coaching departure or attempted departure from AoP, they can't seem to keep coaches or students

But doors are open for him in other countries. Trainers from Russia are appreciated there + he can share the methods of Eteri trainers.

 

[Samoyed]

But doors are open for him in other countries. Trainers from Russia are appreciated there + he can share the methods of Eteri trainers.

True, but it is a big decision to be made: move to another country, find a job, get visa, etc, of course assuming that he wants to leave AoP (as far as I am concerned he still works there). At the same time, he does not have any obvious achievements in his resumee, especially after season like this. I also feel for him, Plushenko seems to be unlucky charm for everyone involved with him.

 

[Amei]

But doors are open for him in other countries. Trainers from Russia are appreciated there + he can share the methods of Eteri trainers.

Yes thats an option but thats a very big decision to move out of his country (does he speak anything besides Russian? where language barrier would be an issue) and additionally there's been discussion before about how much Eteri's methods would really be allowed elsewhere than Russia.

 

[Scott512]

Yikes. Buyanova really decided to bury Sergej by saying what she said. Ooof!
Good luck finding a team in Russia after that!

I remember I said this year is „do or die“ for Sergej and Plushenko. They were very ambitious, and it was very risky to take that kind of responsibility given their lack of experience. So it’s a „die“ it looks like.

Hes too young of a coach to be buried. To deny that he helped many skaters at TT would be ridiculous.

AdeQueena Sotnikovas success was a long time ago. To say that Buyanova buried the careers of Masha Elena Polina and Nastia within 6 months would be an understatement.
That is the worst stretch of coaching in the history of figure skating for an elite coach. CSKA does not owe Elena Germanova anything anymore. She is one of the biggest reasons the legendary figure skating school known as CSKA is on a major downward spiral and has been for years. I mean Adelina and Yulia were outstanding at the same time. Since 2014 the butcher has developed no one. While EG has developed Zhenya, Alina sasha Anna Aliona KV Maya and Dasha.
That's 8 phenoms as well as Lilbet and a junior boys world champion since Adelina won gold for Buyanova. That Elena Germanova still has such pull at CSKA is ridiculous. She does not deserve to be the CSKA coach and leader for life. No coach deserves that automatically.

Sometimes athletes need a different voice. I bet young Sergei could have helped Liza B.

If Rozanov cant find a home at a top Russian figure skating school he should travel abroad and I'm sure he would be welcomed in many countries and cities because he helped the amazing growth of sasha Anna and Aliona in particular. And he helped make Veronika special and once he wasn't allowed to work with her her game has fallen off the map.
We know he is flawed personally we know he made an impetuous move leaving TT and taking sasha and aliona with him. Does the Russian federation really want him working with top American Girls or the top Japanese girls?

 

[Jeanie19]

Rozanov. He should go to Champery, Lambiel's team. Deniss speaks fluent Russian.

He's young, he made a bad career move , he shouldn't be crucified for it.

Plus why can't he stay at Plushenko's rink?

 

[nussnacker]

Hes too young of a coach to be buried. To deny that he helped many skaters at TT would be ridiculous.

AdeQueena Sotnikovas success was a long time ago. To say that Buyanova buried the careers of Masha Elena Polina and Nastia within 6 months would be an understatement.
That is the worst stretch of coaching in the history of figure skating for an elite coach. CSKA does not owe Elena Germanova anything anymore. She is one of the biggest reasons the legendary figure skating school known as CSKA is on a major downward spiral and has been for years. I mean Adelina and Yulia were outstanding at the same time. Since 2014 the butcher has developed no one. While EG has developed Zhenya, Alina sasha Anna Aliona KV Maya and Dasha.
That's 8 phenoms as well as Lilbet and a junior boys world champion since Adelina won gold for Buyanova. That Elena Germanova still has such pull at CSKA is ridiculous. She does not deserve to be the CSKA coach and leader for life. No coach deserves that automatically.

Sometimes athletes need a different voice. I bet young Sergei could have helped Liza B.

If Rozanov cant find a home at a top Russian figure skating school he should travel abroad and I'm sure he would be welcomed in many countries and cities because he helped the amazing growth of sasha Anna and Aliona in particular. And he helped make Veronika special and once he wasn't allowed to work with her her game has fallen off the map.
We know he is flawed personally we know he made an impetuous move leaving TT and taking sasha and aliona with him. Does the Russian federation really want him working with top American Girls or the top Japanese girls?

He’s a young guy, I’m sure he’ll be fine.
I think unfortunately at this point he earned himself some kind of reputation by now, so it likely won’t be easy for him to be hired in Russia and I can’t see him staying at AoP given that he already tried to leave a few months ago.

I think he kind of overvalued himself, overestimated his own abilities and it backfired in a big way. What he needs, in my opinion, is to put his head down, find any kind of rink he can, and work with little kids and essentially start anew, open a new page in his life as an independent coach. Or maybe try to get hired abroad.

Buyanova really didn’t have to slam him like that, but he kind of messed up, and I think even without her saying that, this was already what big coaches in big schools were thinking of him. Regardless, I hope he manages to find something.

 

[Scott512]

He’s a young guy, I’m sure he’ll be fine.
I think unfortunately at this point he earned himself some kind of reputation by now, so it likely won’t be easy for him to be hired in Russia and I can’t see him staying at AoP given that he already tried to leave a few months ago.

I think he kind of overvalued himself, overestimated his own abilities and it backfired in a big way. What he needs, in my opinion, is to put his head down, find any kind of rink he can, and work with little kids and essentially start anew, open a new page in his life as an independent coach. Or maybe try to get hired abroad.

Buyanova really didn’t have to slam him like that, but he kind of messed up, and I think even without her saying that, this was already what big coaches in big schools were thinking of him. Regardless, I hope he manages to find something.

Millions of time A-day in this world people leave one opportunity for another that offers them more and greater responsibilities. That's why it's preposterous that people are upset with him for jumping at a golden opportunity. Sergei just didn't know that Sasha would send him to Siberia and Alyona would contract covid. He should not be treated like a leper. As far as I know he never said anything badd about TT or any of the coaches or skaters.

Roxanov made a big move and it back fired. That's life. But he should not be made to start over At some small rink in Vladivostok or Gothenburg to rebuild his career. There are rinks in Saint Petersburg that could use this guy as an assistant coach when because ge teaches 3A and quads.

 

[Amei]

Hes too young of a coach to be buried. To deny that he helped many skaters at TT would be ridiculous.

AdeQueena Sotnikovas success was a long time ago. To say that Buyanova buried the careers of Masha Elena Polina and Nastia within 6 months would be an understatement.
That is the worst stretch of coaching in the history of figure skating for an elite coach. CSKA does not owe Elena Germanova anything anymore. She is one of the biggest reasons the legendary figure skating school known as CSKA is on a major downward spiral and has been for years. I mean Adelina and Yulia were outstanding at the same time. Since 2014 the butcher has developed no one. While EG has developed Zhenya, Alina sasha Anna Aliona KV Maya and Dasha.
That's 8 phenoms as well as Lilbet and a junior boys world champion since Adelina won gold for Buyanova. That Elena Germanova still has such pull at CSKA is ridiculous. She does not deserve to be the CSKA coach and leader for life. No coach deserves that automatically.

Sometimes athletes need a different voice. I bet young Sergei could have helped Liza B.

If Rozanov cant find a home at a top Russian figure skating school he should travel abroad and I'm sure he would be welcomed in many countries and cities because he helped the amazing growth of sasha Anna and Aliona in particular. And he helped make Veronika special and once he wasn't allowed to work with her her game has fallen off the map.
We know he is flawed personally we know he made an impetuous move leaving TT and taking sasha and aliona with him. Does the Russian federation really want him working with top American Girls or the top Japanese girls?

Regarding Buyanova and her influence in CSKA, whether she deserves it or not is a different story, but at the end of the day right now she has it. Regarding Rozanov - sigh - you kinda made the point I was going to make in response to you about why I think Rozanov is getting shunned from the upper echelon of skating schools in Russia...Eteri had a lot of success prior to Rozanov, Rozanov felt like he was ready for more and he fell on his face, meanwhile since he's left Sambo-Eteri, that machine of domination has continued. When Trusova did that interview where she credited him with helping her get her quad, based on what I saw on this board of people dissecting when she and Shcherbakova started doing quads vs. when Rozanov started with Eteri because it was seemingly news to all of us that he was 'responsible'.

What's happened since he's left Sambo-Eteri: their skaters regained and added new ultra-c jumps. Meanwhile the 3 skaters that had been with him at Sambo all stopped being coached by him at AoP: Trusova didn't even keep him around till test skates, I'm not sure about the Zhilina sisters, but Kostornaia who went to AoP to be coached by him went back to Eteri and I think the biggest drawback to his coaching prospects right now is that in roughly a month of her being back with Eteri and Dudakov she's attempting her triple axel in darkened show lighting.

It really has to make you wonder - how much of the success that happened when he was at Sambo was truly because of him and how much of it was just a product of the system that was already in place. And based on the departures he had at AoP it makes you wonder could he really recreate the whatever it is that makes the Sambo-Eteri girls so successful. So I can understand why there's hesitation of hiring him, and regarding going to another country - same reasoning above - given his lack of success this season (in what was touted out as being superior accommodations) and continued success of his prior school, maybe the Russian Fed doesn't think he's that hot of a commodity in coaching. Plus, as its also been stated leaving Russia to coach other skaters isn't exactly easy logistics and that's before you take into account the pandemic right now.

 

[ELEk3k]

Regarding Buyanova and her influence in CSKA, whether she deserves it or not is a different story, but at the end of the day right now she has it. Regarding Rozanov - sigh - you kinda made the point I was going to make in response to you about why I think Rozanov is getting shunned from the upper echelon of skating schools in Russia...Eteri had a lot of success prior to Rozanov, Rozanov felt like he was ready for more and he fell on his face, meanwhile since he's left Sambo-Eteri, that machine of domination has continued. When Trusova did that interview where she credited him with helping her get her quad, based on what I saw on this board of people dissecting when she and Shcherbakova started doing quads vs. when Rozanov started with Eteri because it was seemingly news to all of us that he was 'responsible'.

What's happened since he's left Sambo-Eteri: their skaters regained and added new ultra-c jumps. Meanwhile the 3 skaters that had been with him at Sambo all stopped being coached by him at AoP: Trusova didn't even keep him around till test skates, I'm not sure about the Zhilina sisters, but Kostornaia who went to AoP to be coached by him went back to Eteri and I think the biggest drawback to his coaching prospects right now is that in roughly a month of her being back with Eteri and Dudakov she's attempting her triple axel in darkened show lighting.

It really has to make you wonder - how much of the success that happened when he was at Sambo was truly because of him and how much of it was just a product of the system that was already in place. And based on the departures he had at AoP it makes you wonder could he really recreate the whatever it is that makes the Sambo-Eteri girls so successful. So I can understand why there's hesitation of hiring him, and regarding going to another country - same reasoning above - given his lack of success this season (in what was touted out as being superior accommodations) and continued success of his prior school, maybe the Russian Fed doesn't think he's that hot of a commodity in coaching. Plus, as its also been stated leaving Russia to coach other skaters isn't exactly easy logistics and that's before you take into account the pandemic right now.

I think that such a reaction of the chief trainer for FS CSKA was that when he switched to Plushenko, he and Plushenko began to actively headhunt players from other clubs. And thus they violated the trainer ethics on the Russian field of the FS. In public schools of the Russian Federation there is no practice of signing contracts with students to protect them from transfers to other schools, and trainers did not initiate transfers. This could destroy the established order and parity. He also helped pick up two top Olympic-level skaters from a leading school, which could have destroyed Eteri's school altogether if other trainers and athletes had started to leave. I also read that he also tried to take students away from CSKA. When Plushenko decided to create his own school with a statement that he would revolutionize figure skating, and began to lure skaters from other famous schools, I think all schools were hostile to him.

 

[ali0125]

Rozanov. He should go to Champery, Lambiel's team. Deniss speaks fluent Russian.

TSL rumour is he got an offer from Mie Hamada - Stephane is a guest coach (together with Ghislain) to her skating school. TBH I think it's a fairly good choice for Rozanov given how he's treated in Russia and there is a pool of talents in Hamada's school.
From Instagram, Rozanov seems really like Rafael, but it's not realistic - I don't think Rafael has any intention to be involved in the Russian FS politics

 

[Scott512]

Rozanov. He should go to Champery, Lambiel's team. Deniss speaks fluent Russian.

He's young, he made a bad career move , he shouldn't be crucified for it.

Plus why can't he stay at Plushenko's rink?

My thing is if alyona did not contract Corona virus she might still be at PA and so might her coach young sergei.

Picture and out to be a bed career move but everybody can't stay 2nd fiddle forever you have to reach for the stars!

I wonder the same thing Jeanie. why can't he go back to PA? Young Sergei is not the 1st person think the grass is greener elsewhere and it did not work out. Probably half the people at this board have been through the same thing.

I am sure Fozanov would do a better job coaching Veronika then her mother.

 

[Scott512]

Regarding Buyanova and her influence in CSKA, whether she deserves it or not is a different story, but at the end of the day right now she has it. Regarding Rozanov - sigh - you kinda made the point I was going to make in response to you about why I think Rozanov is getting shunned from the upper echelon of skating schools in Russia...Eteri had a lot of success prior to Rozanov, Rozanov felt like he was ready for more and he fell on his face, meanwhile since he's left Sambo-Eteri, that machine of domination has continued. When Trusova did that interview where she credited him with helping her get her quad, based on what I saw on this board of people dissecting when she and Shcherbakova started doing quads vs. when Rozanov started with Eteri because it was seemingly news to all of us that he was 'responsible'.

What's happened since he's left Sambo-Eteri: their skaters regained and added new ultra-c jumps. Meanwhile the 3 skaters that had been with him at Sambo all stopped being coached by him at AoP: Trusova didn't even keep him around till test skates, I'm not sure about the Zhilina sisters, but Kostornaia who went to AoP to be coached by him went back to Eteri and I think the biggest drawback to his coaching prospects right now is that in roughly a month of her being back with Eteri and Dudakov she's attempting her triple axel in darkened show lighting.

It really has to make you wonder - how much of the success that happened when he was at Sambo was truly because of him and how much of it was just a product of the system that was already in place. And based on the departures he had at AoP it makes you wonder could he really recreate the whatever it is that makes the Sambo-Eteri girls so successful. So I can understand why there's hesitation of hiring him, and regarding going to another country - same reasoning above - given his lack of success this season (in what was touted out as being superior accommodations) and continued success of his prior school, maybe the Russian Fed doesn't think he's that hot of a commodity in coaching. Plus, as its also been stated leaving Russia to coach other skaters isn't exactly easy logistics and that's before you take into account the pandemic right now.

Very interesting post with good points everywhere. EG survives and thrives even without young sergei. The machine is rolling along at TT with the girls and ladies. Why should this coach in his early thirties be subservient to her the rest of his career and not go out on his own? It didn't work out for a variety of reasons but he should still be at PA helping with the skaters.

I think it's both true the success at TT is a product of the system and coaches and Eteris leadership and rozanov helped to a certain degree. I mean EG and veteran sergei cannot coach everybody can they? That's why I was thinking they're going to need another coach or 2 to help out with the 13 year olds on up.