2021-2022 US Women's Figure Skating

[readernick]

Of course, these scores are a bit ridiculous. It is a domestic event. However, Isabeau's consistency is incredible. Lindsay is also impressive because even though the slightly negative GOE on a lot of jumping passes implies a rough day, she held it together the whole time. They are both such good competitors.

On the opposite end, having seen Audrey perform, I have definite doubts about the individual who predicted a Karen, Alysa, and Audrey Olympic team. That young lady has some nice qualities but the ability to rotate jumps isn't one of them. If the other women can't get it together/overcome injury, I see Lindsay on the Olympic team.

 

[bubblecherry]

Isabeau scored a massive 146.12 for a total of 219.89 while Lindsay scored 130.19 for a total of 202.37. I am wondering if either of the two attempted 3As or quads.

Oh my This young woman is going to be a FORCE at nationals.

People will say the scores are inflated, but Isabeau was scored higher in her first international competition than she ever was domestically, so IMO, this is just a sign as for what is to come.

Lindsay did 3A<< and 3Lz3lo< yay! I think she should keep this layout, because she seems to get URs regardless. Might as well work on the more difficult layout that she’s SO closing to hitting.

 

[macy]

As happy as I am to see Isabeau and Lindsey skated really well and put up big scores, gentle reminder this was a domestic competition and they were overscored on PCS and GOE and URs likely ignored.

Here is Alysas skate: https://youtu.be/PpaqoPQRCck

Really nice skate. The 3A was great, good flow out of it. I find myself wanting just a bit more speed from her, it looks like she still slows down with her pick before going into jumps a little. Hoping that will improve as the season goes on. IMO she was also given a bit generous PCS, there were a few 9s sprinkled in there and I dont think she's quite on that level yet. Although high PCS is given out like candy nowadays...I honestly miss when top skaters were in the 7s and 8s, but that's another discussion.

 

[readernick]

As happy as I am to see Isabeau and Lindsey skated really well and put up big scores, gentle reminder this was a domestic competition and they were overscored on PCS and GOE and URs likely ignored.

Here is Alysas skate: https://youtu.be/PpaqoPQRCck

Really nice skate. The 3A was great, good flow out of it. I find myself wanting just a bit more speed from her, it looks like she still slows down with her pick before going into jumps a little. Hoping that will improve as the season goes on. IMO she was also given a bit generous PCS, there were a few 9s sprinkled in there and I dont think she's quite on that level yet. Although high PCS is given out like candy nowadays...I honestly miss when top skaters were in the 7s and 8s, but that's another discussion.

Lombardia is known for somewhat inflated scores. My fav Shoma used to perform at Lombardia every year and, often, got the best scores of the season there. So, I agree these scores should be taken with a grain of salt. ( It makes Audrey's score seem even worse) However, Alysa's performance was impressive. Even taking off the 7-10 points of normal Lombardia inflation, she received a highly competitive score. She , like Isabeau and Lindsay, is a very good competitor. Her 3A in competition ( while definitely UR) was better than her 3A in practice. This is the mark of a natural competitor.

 

[MCsAngel2]

Of course, these scores are a bit ridiculous. It is a domestic event. However, Isabeau's consistency is incredible. Lindsay is also impressive because even though the slightly negative GOE on a lot of jumping passes implies a rough day, she held it together the whole time. They are both such good competitors.

On the opposite end, having seen Audrey perform, I have definite doubts about the individual who predicted a Karen, Alysa, and Audrey Olympic team. That young lady has some nice qualities but the ability to rotate jumps isn't one of them. If the other women can't get it together/overcome injury, I see Lindsay on the Olympic team.

Someone thinks Audrey will make the team over Bradie or Amber? ?????

 

[el henry]

Someone thinks Audrey will make the team over Bradie or Amber? ?????

A Twitter account who observed the skaters at Champs Camp (he was there for the Development Camp) made that prediction.

He knew it was a take that not all would agree with, but he said that Audrey (and Gabby) had great showings at Champs Camp, and that Bradie was injured. I don't remember the take on Amber.

Frankly, I don't remember because I was looking for Jason content when I found it

 

[beepboop]

Bravo to Alysa for her brilliant and well-deserved win today, and to Audrey for finishing on the podium ahead of some fierce competitors!

I'm super impressed by how readily Alysa is adjusting to her (still ongoing??) growth spurt. I was scrolling through pics from Lombardia and Champs Camp and Alysa looks at least an inch taller than Audrey, whose ISU bio lists her as 5'2.2" (158cm). The profile that came out after this year's Nationals said Alysa was 5'1"

 

[moonvine]

Does anyone have a link to these amazing performances?

There was no livestream and no spectators allowed so not even phone videos.

 

[readernick]

Someone thinks Audrey will make the team over Bradie or Amber? ?????

Yes, I found it strange, too. However, I was willing to consider it because sometimes people make incredible strides. Amber has done this in the last couple of years. However, having seen Audrey perform, I have to say that it is highly unlikely she will be chosen for any major championship event. She didn't just get UR calls, she got downgrades.

 

[Greengemmonster]

Beautiful performance from Alysa but it was even better to see her cheerful Instagram posts. She seems to have having the time of her life over there.

 

[AlysaLiuStan]

Lombardia is known for somewhat inflated scores.

Nonsense, it is definitely not. Another poster literally just claimed that Lombardia scores have been DEFLATED in the past couple of years. Now people feel like they can claim whatever suits them? You literally pulled that statement out of nowhere.

Alysa's score here was well deserved. They will only keep rising as the season goes on.

 

[Skatesocs]

I don't think it matters if the Lombardia score is inflated or no. The 3A means one thing and one thing only - that the US has its contender, and the scores are going to rise. I predict high 70s with the 3A at her GPs, and prepare your for Nationals!

ETA: Would FAR prefer Shin making the team over Tennell and Bell - but probably never going to happen.

 

[katymay]

Of course, these scores are a bit ridiculous. It is a domestic event. However, Isabeau's consistency is incredible. Lindsay is also impressive because even though the slightly negative GOE on a lot of jumping passes implies a rough day, she held it together the whole time. They are both such good competitors.

On the opposite end, having seen Audrey perform, I have definite doubts about the individual who predicted a Karen, Alysa, and Audrey Olympic team. That young lady has some nice qualities but the ability to rotate jumps isn't one of them. If the other women can't get it together/overcome injury, I see Lindsay on the Olympic team.

I think maybe Audrey should be replaced for the host slot by Gabby, or another skater. (Not sure if Gabby I went back to school, etc.)

 

[Sjs5572]

I think maybe Audrey should be replaced for the host slot by Gabby, or another skater. (Not sure if Gabby I went back to school, etc.)

Gabby had a very poor showing at Cranberry.

 

[Tavi...]

Nonsense, it is definitely not. Another poster literally just claimed that Lombardia scores have been DEFLATED in the past couple of years. Now people feel like they can claim whatever suits them? You literally pulled that statement out of nowhere.

Alysa's score here was well deserved. They will only keep rising as the season goes on.

Nobody is disputing that Alysa did extremely well or that she deserved to win, but in case you didn’t realize it, you too are just claiming what suits you. I agree with readernick that there’s frequently score inflation for top skaters at Lombardia. If you want to prove otherwise, perhaps you could do a multi-year score analysis for, say, the top five men and women at Lombardia over the past five years, as compared to what they scored elsewhere each season. Be sure to take into account scoring inflation at domestic events and the fact that scores tend to rise as the season progresses. Actually, to do a really good analysis, you should probably watch the corresponding programs to compare scores to actual execution. This should help you get started:

Skating Scores: Latest Figure Skating Results, Scores, Rankings & Statistics

The best resource for Figure Skating scores and stats on the web.

www.skatingscores.com

 

[TontoK]

It's very difficult to draw conclusions on performances we haven't seen, but the protocols do tell us something about Isabeau's skating at Mid Atlantic.

Both performances were clean. Every element had nice GOE, no UR's, no <<, no deductions. Non-jump elements all L4 except the very last L3 spin in the FP. And it's not as if we can assume this is a puff judging panel, because they certainly had no issue with dinging skaters in the remainder of the protocols.

Was she overscored? Underscored? Who knows, but we do know she put out another set of reasonably difficult SP and FP with no major errors, and while in competition with rivals.

That alone, is noteworthy.

 

[Tavi...]

It's very difficult to draw conclusions on performances we haven't seen, but the protocols do tell us something about Isabeau's skating at Mid Atlantic.

Both performances were clean. Every element had nice GOE, no UR's, no <<, no deductions. Non-jump elements all L4 except the very last L3 spin in the FP. And it's not as if we can assume this is a puff judging panel, because they certainly had no issue with dinging skaters in the remainder of the protocols.

Was she overscored? Underscored? Who knows, but we do know she put out another set of reasonably difficult SP and FP with no major errors, and while in competition with rivals.

That alone, is noteworthy.

You’re right it’s hard to tell anything from protocols but I wouldn’t necessarily take the absence of < or << or the presence of plus GOE as proof positive she actually skated clean. She may have done. But judging panels are sometimes selectively harsh / lenient. Not saying that’s the case here though.

 

[AlysaLiuStan]

Nobody is disputing that Alysa did extremely well or that she deserved to win, but in case you didn’t realize it, you too are just claiming what suits you. I agree with readernick that there’s frequently score inflation for top skaters at Lombardia. If you want to prove otherwise, perhaps you could do a multi-year score analysis for, say, the top five men and women at Lombardia over the past five years, as compared to what they scored elsewhere each season. Be sure to take into account scoring inflation at domestic events and the fact that scores tend to rise as the season progresses. Actually, to do a really good analysis, you should probably watch the corresponding programs to compare scores to actual execution. This should help you get started:

Skating Scores: Latest Figure Skating Results, Scores, Rankings & Statistics

The best resource for Figure Skating scores and stats on the web.

www.skatingscores.com

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I am sure this one competition just so happens to over score every single skater for the last 5 years, despite different judging panels !

Ridiculous.

 

[Skatesocs]

^I think it's getting a tad too stan-y from you. We'll see what happens

 

[halulupu]

Yes, I found it strange, too. However, I was willing to consider it because sometimes people make incredible strides. Amber has done this in the last couple of years. However, having seen Audrey perform, I have to say that it is highly unlikely she will be chosen for any major championship event. She didn't just get UR calls, she got downgrades.

She got the host spot for SA. Not a great od idea