2021–22 Canadian Figure Skating

[BearryBear]

Participants will need to be double vaccinated to participate in nationals:

 

[Lutzedge]

It's not the only reason a skater can UR, but being as tall as Roman is does make jump rotations a problem -- there's a reason he struggles to rotate triple-triples, which should not otherwise be an issue for a male skater who can do a quad.

It appears that Roman is about 6 feet tall. That seems to make some sense. Shorter people seem to really have to push hard to get the rotation, and tall people seem like they might at times have a hard time to get around. But I do think Roman can get around. He might have also been trying to be cautious and not fall, which might have slowed down the rotation. But he usually does look slower in the air on his jumps.

 

[skylark]

But what you're saying about Roman makes sense. When I heard he was the one being sent to Nebelhorn to try to get the second Men's spot for Canada, I though wow that is great that they want him to do this - it's real vote of confidence for him! Then I immediately also thought no don't put all that pressure on Roman like that! But even though it was a bumpy ride, I'm hoping that he does gain some confidence in the experience and that he'll do well in the GP.

An instructor in another art/skill said once that the most talented are often the ones who are most sensitive, lack confidence, and need encouragement. When you think about the decisions Canada made for the last couple of years when they could have chosen him but didn't, even when he had a clear, huge win at nationals -- well, that is the opposite of encouragement. Then, the vote of confidence to send him to Nebelhorn seemed like encouragement, but as you say, it was pressure, as Roman alluded to in this quote. It's from a series of articles written for olympics.com by Nick McCarvel. He gave quotes from several of the men who earned spots for their countries.

Roman said, "I didn't think it would be as hard as it was today, (especially) mentally. Training coming in was really good... (but) the moment that the music turns on, it just changes, it's different. In the long, I got better towards the end. I did what I came here to do - that's what is most important. I hope that the other competitions are easier this year."

I think it must be hard on a skater to be the national champion or the "de facto" national champion for two years in a row and not be chosen for Worlds. Last year, I felt as many did, that Keegan proved with his performance at Worlds that Canada made the right decision. And I've loved Keegan's skating for years. At the same time, that decision itself gave Keegan, who's sometimes struggled in the past, a huge vote of confidence, so which comes first?

I really hope that what Roman expressed, above, is a giant leap forward in his journey toward putting it all together. I enjoy Roman's skating so much! He really has it all: the jumps, the beautiful skating, the artistry, the musical sensitivity. If he can stick through it and is able to skate as long as Keegan has, it may all come together for him. I really hope so.

Scroll down to the 3rd headline:

Vincent Zhou leads group of seven confirming Olympic spots for Beijing 2022

The ISU Challenger event is the final chance for countries to earn quota spots for Beijing 2022.

olympics.com

 

[Colonel Green]

An instructor in another art/skill said once that the most talented are often the ones who are most sensitive, lack confidence, and need encouragement. When you think about the decisions Canada made for the last couple of years when they could have chosen him but didn't, even when he had a clear, huge win at nationals -- well, that is the opposite of encouragement.

If Roman wants the federation's confidence, he can earn it, by skating clean short programs -- something he has literally never done as a senior. Anybody making assignments who looks at his track record would immediately note that it is dangerous to send him to any event where there is a free skate cut. It's entirely within Roman's power to change that picture.

 

[RatedPG]

If Roman wants the federation's confidence, he can earn it, by skating clean short programs -- something he has literally never done as a senior. Anybody making assignments who looks at his track record would immediately note that it is dangerous to send him to any event where there is a free skate cut. It's entirely within Roman's power to change that picture.

His SP at WTT was as clean as Roman can get. That was his last international event prior to Nebelhorn. So, I hope that counts for something.

 

[Colonel Green]

His SP at WTT was as clean as Roman can get.

Which still wasn't clean, and that kind of exemplifies the problem; the best case scenario for him with the combination is getting a q and mildly negative GOE, and most of the time it's underrotated or downgraded or he falls or only manages a double toe.

I was hopeful at the time that WTT augured for better things ahead, and it still might, but Nebelhorn was right back to bad habits. He'll have more opportunities to show that he's turned a corner in the months ahead -- but until he does that, I don't expect the federation to pretend that he already has.

 

[mrrice]

It appears that Roman is about 6 feet tall. That seems to make some sense. Shorter people seem to really have to push hard to get the rotation, and tall people seem like they might at times have a hard time to get around. But I do think Roman can get around. He might have also been trying to be cautious and not fall, which might have slowed down the rotation. But he usually does look slower in the air on his jumps.

This is interesting. Evan Lysacek ( 2010 OGM ) was 6' 2". He was a beautiful skater but he never landed a quad in competition. He did however, have beautiful lines and flow out of his jumps. I think Roman can follow his strategy and be very successful. He is certainly a beautiful skater.

 

[skylark]

This is interesting. Evan Lysacek ( 2010 OGM ) was 6' 2". He was a beautiful skater but he never landed a quad in competition. He did however, have beautiful lines and flow out of his jumps. I think Roman can follow his strategy and be very successful. He is certainly a beautiful skater.

Actually yes, Evan did land quad toes in competition more than once. My favorite program featuring his excellent 4T-3T: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wI9JR3UWlSY

Whether he tried it in a competition depended on whether or not his chronic stress fracture was acting up. If it was, he didn't include it and relied on his beautiful skating and Lori Nichol's strategically choreographed programs.

But yes, to your main point, even Johnny Weir said (implied) once that Evan's height made jumping harder. Roman is in good company and can take heart.

 

[skylark]

If Roman wants the federation's confidence, he can earn it, by skating clean short programs -- something he has literally never done as a senior. Anybody making assignments who looks at his track record would immediately note that it is dangerous to send him to any event where there is a free skate cut. It's entirely within Roman's power to change that picture.

Well said. I was thinking something like that would be a response when I wrote my post, but it's still an intriguing question .... which comes first, the encouragement or the confidence. Someone on another forum even mentioned that 'history has shown' that when Nam knows he's being supported by SC, he's risen to the occasion. That was before I posed the question that such SC support might be a missing ingredient for Roman. But Roman is young, he has time. I just hope he will skate competitively long enough to develop his confidence, since the beauty, emotion, musical intelligence, ability are there.

 

[chuckm]

Roman is not only tall, but much of his height is due to his very long legs. That makes it harder to keep his legs close together when jumping, even more so when attempting 3/3s.

 

[haribobo]

Senior Top Scores Summer/Fall 2021

SENIOR MEN FS/TOTAL (yet to compete- Nam, Gogolev)
Roman Sadovsky 161/244
Joseph Phan 150/229
Conrad Orzel 155/227
Wesley Chiu 149/223
Keegan Messing 131/220
Bennet Toman 140/211
Corey Circelli 128/191 (JGP)
Samuel Angers 121/184
Matthew Markell 118/182
Bruce Waddell 121/181
Alistair Lam 109/180
Jack Dushenski 115/174
Marek Ramilison 115/174

SENIOR WOMEN FS/TOTAL
Kaiya Ruiter (JGP score) 118/179
Gabrielle Daleman 122/178
Madeline Schizas 113/173
Emily Bausback 109/172
Alison Schumacher 106/167
Amanda Tobin 105/160
Michelle Long 103/160
Alicia Pineault 104/157
Jennyfer Richer-labelle 91/147
Camille Perreault 97/146
Veronik Mallet 94/146
Beatrice Lavoie-Leonard 90/140

SENIOR PAIR FS/TOTAL (yet to compete- MTM, Walsh/Michaud)
Stellato/Deschamps 120/187
James/Radford 115/184 (Autumn Classic)
Matte/Ferland 100/159
Andrew/Adcock 100/148
Laurin/Ethier 94/140
Brasseur/Daleman 95/140

SENIOR FD/TOTAL
Gilles/Poirier 132/221
Lauriault/LeGac 115/190
Soucisse/Firus 113/188
Fournier-Beaudry/Sorensen 109/185 (Lombardia)
Lanaghan/Razgulajevs 111/184
Lajoie/Lagha 110/181 (Autumn Classic)
Fabbri/Ayer 107/179
Sales/Wamsteeker 95/155 (Autumn Classic)
Campbell/Fawcett 91/152
Hensen/Lickers 92/149
Iannetta/Carr 86/142

 

[Lutzedge]

I really hope Stephen Gogolev makes a comeback! He was so strong his first JGP season. Is he still with Rafael Arutyunyan?

 

[Balloon]

I really hope Stephen Gogolev makes a comeback! He was so strong his first JGP season. Is he still with Rafael Arutyunyan?

He is still training in California, I really hope to see him skating this season. He is quite tall now so I am sure he’s had to go through some big adjustments

 

[Lutzedge]

He is still training in California, I really hope to see him skating this season. He is quite tall now so I am sure he’s had to go through some big adjustments

There is an article from January this year that said he was growing a lot, and was as tall as 5'5 or 5'6. But now he is listed at 5'9! It seems like he has grown from about 6 to 12 inches since 2019 Junior Worlds.

 

[4everchan]

There is an article from January this year that said he was growing a lot, and was as tall as 5'5 or 5'6. But now he is listed at 5'9! It seems like he has grown from about 6 to 12 inches since 2019 Junior Worlds.

wow... gogolev is the new nguyen...

btw... conrad said that it is only when growing taller that he managed to do his big jumps... newly acquired power... so there are perks too... it all depends how it is managed...

 

[Balloon]

Gogolev has seemed to struggle with his growth, the last JW he was landing just not consistently.
I can confirm he would be 5’9 or maybe even taller, he was in Toronto this summer for a few weeks.
I just would like to see him competing with or without his big elements.

 

[Colonel Green]

Congratulations to Wesley and Natalie & Bruce, who have both qualified for the JGP Final by the just-announced criteria.

 

[haribobo]

Top Junior Scores from Summer/Fall/JGP
*Dupuis, Carle, Pereira, Ruiter are registered for senior this year, as well as Circelli, Rakic, Chiu, Kovler for Men, Laurin/Ethier and McIntosh/Mimar in Pairs

WOMEN
Rose Theroux 147
Audreanne Foster 144/142 JGP
Natalie Roccatani 142
Lulu Lin 141
Justine Miclette 140/126 JGP
Marie-Maude Pomerleau 139
Natasha Hewitt 138

MEN
Matthew Newnham 174
Alec Guinzbourg 166/ 149 JGP
Shohei Law 163
Grayson Long 165
Rio Morita 163

PAIRS
Fredette/St Louis 141/ 131JGP
Panetta/Thrasher 99/129 JGP
Carignan/Pierro 123
Homick/Haubrich 119
Wilberforce/Wright 115

DANCE
Bashynska/Beaumont 166/157 JGP
Makita/Gunara 166/ 149 JGP
D’Alessandro/Waddell 165/ 163 JGP
Gauthier/Thieren 141
Lewis/McMillan 141
Khelifa/Zhu 138/ 127 JGP
Robinson/Portz 123/132 JGP
Estepa/Hickey 132
Yu/Giang 131/129 JGP
Embro/Millar 130
Goodstadt/Barsoum 128/129 JGP
Nguyen/Roueche 128/117 JGP
Cutler/Mah 122
Bolender/Dotzert 121
Saunders/Oddson 118

 

[ladyjane]

If Roman wants the federation's confidence, he can earn it, by skating clean short programs -- something he has literally never done as a senior. Anybody making assignments who looks at his track record would immediately note that it is dangerous to send him to any event where there is a free skate cut. It's entirely within Roman's power to change that picture.

I don't remember if it was totally clean, but Roman did manage to be the only starter in the second warm up group at WTT because of his well executed short programme which had been done the day before where he started in the first group. That it all fell apart in the FS is another story. He did do a good SP!

 

[TontoK]

If Roman wants the federation's confidence, he can earn it, by skating clean short programs -- something he has literally never done as a senior. Anybody making assignments who looks at his track record would immediately note that it is dangerous to send him to any event where there is a free skate cut. It's entirely within Roman's power to change that picture.

As much as I hate to admit this, and I really do hate to admit it... you're right.

I find Roman to be the most interesting and most authentic current Canadian man, the one with true artistic vision and ability.

But if he doesn't bring the goods, it doesn't matter. Unrealized potential is a terrible thing.