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Here's a screenshot of the pairs team. Link is inside EMS unfortunately.
Thank you!
Here's a screenshot of the pairs team. Link is inside EMS unfortunately.
It was interesting how the pairs event at Autumn Classic in Canada was declared a Challenger Series Event at the last minute. The pairs field at John Nicks was even stronger/larger with just as many countries and an international technical panel, yet it hasn't been given Sr B points. It could just be it takes time to update the page, but usually it doesn't take more than a few days. Anyone have any idea?
No, I have no idea. Could it be just an oversight or admin mistake? Or like you said, a delay.
I do recall that the reason the pairs event at Autumn Classic in Canada was declared a Challenger Series Event was because Riku/Kihara of Japan were assigned. That brought the number of countries represented up to 3 and the number of pairs up to 5. Before that, it had only been the 3 Canadian pairs plus Pfund/Santillan, who are now skating for Switzerland. After R/K were assigned, the two US pairs were assigned the event, if I'm remembering that correctly.
ETA: Or perhaps there was some other criteria having nothing to do with the skaters that the John Nicks didn't meet. But I have no idea what that might be and it's just a wild guess. I hope it is resolved, whatever the issue.
... World Standings points are awarded if the competition has at least 5 pairs from 3 countries (this event met that requirement easily with 11 pairs from 4 countries) as well as a technical panel from all different countries (this event also had this). ...
But did the Nicks judging panel meet ISU requirements?
From what I can see, three judges (out of five) are not named as Singles/Pair judges on the ISU list (although they are named as other types of officials).
Prins, Delfa, Enzmann.
International competitions are supposed to have judges recognized as "International"-level by the ISU, right?
But did the Nicks judging panel meet ISU requirements?
From what I can see, three judges (out of five) are not named as Singles/Pair judges on the ISU list (although they are named as other types of officials).
Prins, Delfa, Enzmann.
International competitions are supposed to have judges recognized as "International"-level by the ISU, right?
late reply, but re Autumn Classic:That makes sense re: Autumn Classic, except they didn't do the same thing for Lombardia Trophy. That pair event had over 5 pairs from 3+ countries, but remained a Sr B while the rest of the disciplines at Lombardia were Challenger. So it's been a little confusing. Given that all the Challenger events for pairs tend to be in Europe and Asia, it's nice to have one in North America too, so it made some sense to switch Autumn Classic to Challenger, but that pair event likely would have had more entries had it been declared a Challenger from the get-go instead of waiting until Sept 1. Who knows why they changed it last minute, but not Lombardia Trophy. Not a big deal though.
The only real confusion I have is if the pairs who competed at John Nicks Int'l are entitled to World Standings points, which it seems they should be. It was a Sr B just like Lombardia pairs or US Classic, and met the requirements I know of. And if for some unknown reason it was not points eligible, you would think with a field that big with 5 countries entered (the Canadian pair withdrew but there were still a lot of pairs there) they'd look to fulfill whatever requirement they had to to make it WS points eligible, so I'm confused. Unless it's just taking a while to update the standings or there was an oversight.
late reply, but re Autumn Classic:
Challenger series competitions are determined way earlier - whenever the CS announcement comes out (unless there's a TBD, but I believe Autumn Classic was a CS from the start). At that time, for the competition, it was declared that only women, men, and dance would be Challenger events. In order to meet the requirements for a CS competition, 3 events must be eligible for Challenger status (i.e. have enough entries from enough countries + whatever the requirements are for TP/judging). However, when it came close to the event, the men did not meet the Challenger criteria, but pairs did, so in order for Autumn Classic to maintain its CS status, pairs was upgraded. Lombardia did not have an issue with women/men/dance losing their Challenger status, so pairs was not forced to be upgraded and it remained a senior B.
I'm really curious how Cain-Grible and LeDuc will fare this weekend. It seems too soon to be fully recovered from her illness and time off, but I hope for some improvement in endurance.
When I watched the programs, especially the FS, my impression was that Ashley was majorly out of breath at the end. Which is a different issue from endurance. And having trouble getting one's breathing back to normal is one of the most-often reported lingering effects of Covid.It didn't seem like the main issue was endurance when watching C/L at Autumn Classic, although surely Covid disrupted them to some extent.
On another note, the way the US pairs are all friendly with each other and seem to have some sort of commaderie despite being each other's direct competition is nice to see, a true example of good sportsmanship.
@ucrgirl :
I'm really curious how Cain-Grible and LeDuc will fare this weekend. It seems too soon to be fully recovered from her illness and time off, but I hope for some improvement in endurance.
This was fun. I'd seen it before, but it is rather nice to revisit!I really love the cameraderie and closeness they have! Back when they were doing only off-ice training during the lockdown, Ashley posted a group "routine" which she put to music. I remember one of Jessica's posts later, to the group, was "I miss you all so much." So I think when our pairs have the opportunity to train together and feel like part of a USA team, they really enjoy it.
'Quarantined Pairs Edition', if you want to revisit it: https://www.instagram.com/p/B_S8ZsUD8vU/
I couldn't find the post I remembered with Jessica's reply.
I don't think there's anyway not to take into consideration Ash coming down with COVID just before an opening event of the season. She had to recover, and then probably take it slow getting back into training. I don't know a ton about it, but from what I do know, it is not a slam dunk getting back to the same fitness level once your training is interrupted by illness. And then the psychological aspect enters into it, with the importance of keeping one's confidence uplifted, while not overdoing it and rushing back into heavy training.It didn't seem like the main issue was endurance when watching C/L at Autumn Classic, although surely Covid disrupted them to some extent. Cain's major mistakes were on the first 3 jumps/throws, and then she landed the last major element of their LP better than all of the previous elements. Their SP was similar where their biggest mistake was on the opening jump, and then their spins were off at the end of the program, but that likely wasn't a matter of endurance either.
Don't pick on Jess. This is a partnership. Brian has issues with jumps too. They both had issues during this competition, with some obvious lack of complete confidence. However, we should also note that their showing at Finlandia showed a bit of progress with the jumps. Not enough as yet, though. It was Brian who doubled his sbs jump in the sp, which is why they were behind their teammates at 64+.Congratulations to Tim and Ash on another Bronze! Clean long program at Finlandia with the exception of some minor glitches on the SBS jumps but they stayed upright. Got a q on the 3L and rotated the 3S. Progress.
Jessica and Brian’s LP video wasn’t posted but I looked at the protocols. Solid except for you know what- SBS jumps, but she did not fall which is progress I guess