ISU announces Selection Criteria for JGPF

[anonymoose_au]

thank God, there were no social networks in those days

Montage - Yagudin vs Plushenko

The battle between the great Russians. Enjoy!Music is the theme from 'Requiem for a dream'

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Indeed...can you imagine the brouhaha from such gems as:

"No-one cares who's Russian National Champion"
And
"What did you learn from (training) with Alexei Yagudin?"
"Nothing."

Skating Twitter would have a cow

 

[Skatesocs]

No, not the drama behind the scene, just how the competition unfolds, how the individual careers shape up, when the outcome is unknown

For example, the junior women are starting just now, and I am on the edge of my chair

I respect this approach haha. Better to stay drama-free in this thing...

 

[kwanatic]

I am just going forward. I tried watching older gen skaters, but I found them not as interesting as the current ones, and without the drama and the stakes of the competition, it’s just not the same. So for me figure skating sort of started with Uno and Zagitova in 2018

Understandable. I know a lot of new fans can't really appreciate what came before what is now because it doesn't seem as exciting. What's funny is back then, that was exciting. Sasha was all bendy and flexible and everyone was impressed...until Caroline Zhang and Mirai Nagasu came along and outdid her...and then until Julia Lipnitskaya came along and outdid them. The sport is always growing and evolving.

 

[SnowWhite]

For the Junior Men:

If the JGPF had been based on combined scores, the top six would be:

Gleb Lutfullin	230.42	231.26	461.68
Ilia Malinin	214.64	245.35	459.99
Ilya Yablokov	207.39	231.99	439.38
Artem Kovalev	212.32	221.51	433.83
Kirill Sarnovskiy	215.96	216.7	432.66
Egor Rukhin	223.29	202.28	425.57

With Wesley Chiu as the 1st alternate

If the JGPF had been done in the usual method (placements), the top six would be:

Gleb Lutfullin	15	15	30
Ilia Malinin	15	15	30
Ilya Yablokov	13	15	28
Kirill Sarnovskiy	15	11	26
Wesley Chiu	15	11	26
Arlet Levandi	13	13	26

With Rukhin as the 1st alt.

The actual results for this season should be:

Ilia Malinin

Wesley Chiu

Kirill Sarnovskiy

Gleb Lutfullin

Ilya Yablokov

Egor Rukhin

 

[Colonel Green]

The men's event at JGP Linz has concluded, and Ted at least was saying that his understanding of the rules was that it's the highest total score of any individual event to qualify, rather than combined score across two events. Which makes sense, in retrospect, since Zhilina is allowed in with only one event period.

Good news for Rukhin and bad news for Kovalev.

 

[el henry]

See, now that we have comparisons, here is where I go "the best system is who I wanted to see"

If we had done "the old way", Arlet Levandi could have made the final and I would be content.

 

[lariko]

For the Junior Men:

If the JGPF had been based on combined scores, the top six would be:

Gleb Lutfullin	230.42	231.26	461.68
Ilia Malinin	214.64	245.35	459.99
Ilya Yablokov	207.39	231.99	439.38
Artem Kovalev	212.32	221.51	433.83
Kirill Sarnovskiy	215.96	216.7	432.66
Egor Rukhin	223.29	202.28	425.57

With Wesley Chiu as the 1st alternate

If the JGPF had been done in the usual method (placements), the top six would be:

Gleb Lutfullin	15	15	30
Ilia Malinin	15	15	30
Ilya Yablokov	13	15	28
Kirill Sarnovskiy	15	11	26
Wesley Chiu	15	11	26
Arlet Levandi	13	13	26

With Rukhin as the 1st alt.

The actual results for this season should be:

Ilia Malinin

Wesley Chiu

Kirill Sarnovskiy

Gleb Lutfullin

Ilya Yablokov

Egor Rukhin

Despite Arlet Levandi having a name that just brings to mind the glamour era of the movie industry, I think I actually like the new system result more than the total combined. Both Kovalev and Rukhin gave a good fight, but that’s how Rukhin, Chiu and Kovalev performed when they skated directly against one another, with Rukhin and Chiu getting ahead of Kovalev.

It’s actually kinda funny that the slapped together system hit closer to total combined scores than the regular one.

 

[alexocfp]

I’m laughing because the ratio of posts of how this system affected the girls to how it affected the guys is closer to 350:1. Haha

 

[lariko]

I’m laughing because the ratio of posts of how this system affected the girls to how it affected the guys is closer to 350:1. Haha

Men finished skating first. Wait till tomorrow for the explosion.

 

[SnowWhite]

Despite Arlet Levandi having a name that just brings to mind the glamour era of the movie industry, I think I actually like the new system result more than the total combined. Both Kovalev and Rukhin gave a good fight, but that’s how Rukhin, Chiu and Kovalev performed when they skated directly against one another, with Rukhin and Chiu getting ahead of Kovalev.

It’s actually kinda funny that the slapped together system hit closer to total combined scores than the regular one.

That's a good point. I'd forgotten that they all skated head to head.

Ideally, they have just made it seven entries and all of them would be in. But I think for men this year's method worked okay. On the one hand, Artem has a higher total score than Wesley (and a couple others). On the other hand, that happened often for the junior men in normal years. And Wesley's first event was early and at altitude, and he beat Artem head to head when they were in the same competition.

Men finished skating first. Wait till tomorrow for the explosion.

Luckily, the dance and pairs finish before the women. So I can post those breakdowns before the women's stuff takes over.

EDIT: the dance one will be posted during pairs though. I'm not getting up that early

 

[el henry]

I’m laughing because the ratio of posts of how this system affected the girls to how it affected the guys is closer to 350:1. Haha

Junior men have never gotten the love they deserve

And it appears to me that posters who are invested in the junior women are truly and deeply invested. And I may love my junior men, but I'm not invested.

 

[lariko]

That's a good point. I'd forgotten that they all skated head to head.

Ideally, they have just made it seven entries and all of them would be in. But I think for men this year's method worked okay. On the one hand, Artem has a higher total score than Wesley (and a couple others). On the other hand, that happened often for the junior men in normal years. And Wesley's first event was early and at altitude, and he beat Artem head to head when they were in the same competition.

Luckily, the dance and pairs finish before the women. So I can post those breakdowns before the women's stuff takes over.

EDIT: the dance one will be posted during pairs though. I'm not getting up that early

Yup, Chiu skated at a disadvantage in his first event, overseas and at altitude. It really was very close between these three.

 

[Skatesocs]

EDIT: the dance one will be posted during pairs though. I'm not getting up that early

I think it's OK if someone else posts it instead

 

[alexocfp]

Men finished skating first. Wait till tomorrow for the explosion.

So my ratio may be outdated in a few hours and will lean closer to 700:1 at this time tomorrow? Haha

 

[alexocfp]

Junior men have never gotten the love they deserve

And it appears to me that posters who are invested in the junior women are truly and deeply invested. And I may love my junior men, but I'm not invested.

To be more accurate, people are more invested in drama and controversy. Haha

The highest rated skates of all time in the US had nothing to do with skating after all.

 

[SnowWhite]

I think it's OK if someone else posts it instead

True . But I looked at the starting order for Finlandia dance and we have S/D and H/K back to back starting at 6:05 am my time, so I can do it like half an hour after the Jr FD ends if it's not already done.

 

[lariko]

So my ratio may be outdated in a few hours and will lean closer to 700:1 at this time tomorrow? Haha

Probably, yes, I am just going to look in on how it’s going impact dance and run for it.

 

[SnowWhite]

Junior Dance

Actual Qualifiers:

Wolfkostin/Chen

Brown/Brown

D'Alessandro/Waddell

Khavronina/Cirisano

Kaganovskaia/Angelopol

Tyutyunina/Shustitskiy

Combined Scores:

Khavronina/Cirisano	167.31	168.96	336.27
Wolfkostin/Chen	165.01	163.25	328.26
Kaganovskaia/Angelopol	160.72	167.22	327.94
D'Alessandro/Waddell	163.04	161.79	324.83
Tyutyunina/Shustitskiy	155.98	162.28	318.26
Ling/Wein	160.23	151.44	311.67

Bashynska/Beaumont would be 1st alternates, then Flores/Tsarevski and Brown/Brown.

Placements:

Khavronina/Cirisano	15	15	30
Wolfkostin/Chen	15	13	28
Kaganovskaia/Angelopol	13	15	28
Brown/Brown	15	13	28
D'Alessandro/Waddell	15	11	26
Tyutyunina/Shustitskiy	11	15	26

Flores/Tsarevski would be first alts, followed by Ling/Wein and Bashynska/Beaumont.

 

[Skatesocs]

@SnowWhite You woke up early!

 

[SnowWhite]

Interestingly, for dance the new system this year gives the same results as the old placement system would. Though the alternates aren't the same. I believe Leonteva/Gorelkin are first alts with this year's system.

Similar to the men, the combined scores system would swap L/W in for Br/Br, but the Browns did beat them when they went head to head.