Well I wish she'd been given that bonus at Worlds, at least, lol.
2021-22 Japanese Women's Figure Skating
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I didn't say there was anything bad about it. I was just talking about pure jumping ability regarding Higuchi. I think they both use the style that works for them best. If Higuchi tried Sakamotos style, she would get too high and be out of control, she sometimes has that issue on the lutz. If Sakamoto did it Higuchis way, she wouldn't get the same height and it wouldn't be as impressive. So they do what works best for them.
Yea, she deserved 4th at least over Chen.
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Definitely. Kaori needs to have her own scoring system, the KJS. Meaning that she should be able to score her own program.
The big problem though is that she is so honest that she will probably underscore herself. Haha
what I mean is, 3lo is probably the only jump that Kaori is better than Wakaba, and even that was taken away lol. One can say Wakaba's luz is way better than Kaori, which I totally agree. One can say Wakaba can do 3A, while for Kaori because of her habit to enter jump, it would be really hard to make 3A possible, which I agree. But to say Wakaba has better 3lo than Kaori, not in my universal understanding
I never really focused on her loop honestly. I know that is generally considered Kaoris best jump.
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Pretty sure the speed is the exit velocity not the entrance velocity. Kaori's exit speed on 2A is the highest I've seen for any jump from anyone.
As the person who started this debate about Waka vs. Kaori on 2A and 3Lo, I was well aware of these numbers - equal height but Kaori well ahead on distance and exit velocity. Waka still has one of the top 5 2A jumps in the world after Kaori (only Usacheva and Kostornaia are comparable imo). All of Waka's jumps are immensely high quality besides 3F!. Kaori also has all very high quality except 3Lze for the same reason.
If we compare their skills overall, they each are stronger in some areas:
Kaori - 2A, 3Lo, 3F. Spins. Spirals. Glide.
Waka - 3A and 3Lz of course. Step Sequence. Expression. Versatility. Composition. Upper Body control
Equal - 3S and 3T (Waka has better technique but Kaori rotates better). Equal on speed and skating skills too. They're so far ahead of everyone else outside of Japan besides Kostornaia and Akatieva that the differences between them are basically negligible. Also equal on transitions, neither of them have the most but when they do it's stunning.
If the judging was correct they would both be the GOE and PCS queens of the last 4 years. Waka's skyfall at Worlds 2018 should have scored 155+.
She deserved bronze over Chen, Chen should have still been in 4th and Trusova down in 6th behind Hendrickx. Sasha's PCS between short and free was at least 5-7 points too high while both Kaori and Karen deserved 70+ PCS in the free.
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Im pretty sure Kaori has a much higher entrance speed too, since she has a much flatter arc to her 2A and doesn't seem to slow down much before she jumps. Wakaba actually is better even in the 3A when she limits her speed. Her jumping is so powerful that the speed isnt necessary and too much of it gives her problems on the landing. Getting too high on the lutz combo often wrecks the second jump for her. The main differences to me is that Kaori is consistent in her jumps(the most important thing in competitions, btw) while Wakaba has been terribly inconsistent. Wakaba has a better feel of the music and is a better dancer, so to speak. Kaoris main fault is a stiff upper body and poor posture which leads to a somewhat awkward appearance at times. While Wakaba is more versatile, both are greatly helped by having the right program to fit their styles.
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Actually, you initially said Kaori "best 2A, best 3Lo of all time"
Which is what I'd taken issue with, before Wakaba's 2A in comparison was brought up. There have been several better 2As and 3Los (and 3Sals) than Kaori's, not just Wakaba's. For me, anyway.
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As Marin didn't get to skate in the Nationals last season, there were fewer appearance of her during the summer (I remember she was in a couple of summer shows, not too many). According to the news about Tokyo blog/regionals, Marin is now working with Nobuo Sato: https://www.sponichi.co.jp/sports/news/2021/10/08/kiji/20211008s00079000522000c.html
So she was accompanied by Kumiko Sato at the Tokyo blog earlier today. And she got 53.58 in the SP (ranking 7th in the SP, the SP is to Assassin Tango, choreographed by Lori Nicole).
So she was accompanied by Kumiko Sato at the Tokyo blog earlier today. And she got 53.58 in the SP (ranking 7th in the SP, the SP is to Assassin Tango, choreographed by Lori Nicole).
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Hana Yoshida is landing a 3A-3T and a 3A in the FS of Kinki regional (Jr women's Final).
Adding: protocol https://www.jsfresults.com/National/2021-2022/fs_j/block5/data0405.pdf
The two 3As got rectified. But the program is with only one other jump combination so the score is lower.
Clip from Twitter https://twitter.com/msnatary/status/1446721572534833152?s=12
Adding: protocol https://www.jsfresults.com/National/2021-2022/fs_j/block5/data0405.pdf
The two 3As got rectified. But the program is with only one other jump combination so the score is lower.
Clip from Twitter https://twitter.com/msnatary/status/1446721572534833152?s=12
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what are the rules for novices? did she miss a combo plus a jumping pass or is novice different?
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Novice is different, so only 6 jumps and 2 of them can be in combinations.
Meanwhile, in Tokyo regionals, Rion Sumiyoshi won after coming in 2nd after the SP to win the free skate in Juniors. Her overall score, was 176.
In Seniors, Tomoe Kawabata was second in the SP and fell apart in the free skate. I think she finished in fourth with an overall score of 170. Akari Matsubara skated a good free skate and I think knocked out Tomoe from the podium with 171 score, overall. Rinka Watanabe, was the surprise performance for me to capture Silver. She has improved a lot and finished with 182 total score. But, for me, I was really happy with the performance of Satoko Miyahara. She won both the Short program and the free skate. In her SP, she under rotated her combo. But, skated the rest of her program cleanly to win this portion of the competition with a score of 72. She then dazzled everyone with her amazing free skate. Much better than Japan Open. She seems to have the most problems with her combo jumps. She only landed a 3Lz 2T and a 2A 3T combo. But, the 3Lz and 3T were under rotated. She scored 136 and won the gold with an overall score of 208. She showed progress. Congrats to Satoko.
In Seniors, Tomoe Kawabata was second in the SP and fell apart in the free skate. I think she finished in fourth with an overall score of 170. Akari Matsubara skated a good free skate and I think knocked out Tomoe from the podium with 171 score, overall. Rinka Watanabe, was the surprise performance for me to capture Silver. She has improved a lot and finished with 182 total score. But, for me, I was really happy with the performance of Satoko Miyahara. She won both the Short program and the free skate. In her SP, she under rotated her combo. But, skated the rest of her program cleanly to win this portion of the competition with a score of 72. She then dazzled everyone with her amazing free skate. Much better than Japan Open. She seems to have the most problems with her combo jumps. She only landed a 3Lz 2T and a 2A 3T combo. But, the 3Lz and 3T were under rotated. She scored 136 and won the gold with an overall score of 208. She showed progress. Congrats to Satoko.
Hana skated a really good free skate. I think she finished 3rd overall. Not sure who won. But, Hana skated a really poor short program. Also, she wanted to do three combination. But, after her shaky landing of her 3S, she decided not to tag on the 2T 2Lo combo. So, she won bronze. I would love to know who won gold and silver. Silver was Ayumi. But, I didn’t catch the last name. Gold was ???
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Ikura Kushida was the winner. I posted the videos of Hana and Ikura's in the Japanese national discussion forum.
She is amazing. The future of Japan ladies skating. Her 4T was phenomenal. Her combos were also really good. I love to see some Juniors outside Russia with ultra c elements. Mao’s triples are good and her artistry at this age is really good, as well. Japan has some bright stars for the next Olympic Quarter.
Also, in Kinko Seniors, Mana Kawabe nailed her 3A in the short program. But, I think she messed up her combo. She is behind Kaori, she skated cleanly, but, was a bit sloppy with some of her elements. Loki g forward to the free skate. Happy that some of the elite Japanese stars are using regionals as preparation for the Senior Grand Prix circuit.
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