2021-2022 U.S. Men's Figure Skating
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Vincent has been on a roll this season, and I think it's okay for him to have a rougher skate. It can be a good thing, because it would be extremely difficult to sustain a high level of performance from August-March without ever having "down" moments. Even Nathan and Yuzuru have had "down" moments before building themselves back up towards their peak condition. It's normal and necessary for a skater to experience this.
True about Vincent and his rotations. But he's been so strong this season, and it's normal for a skater to have some rougher skates mixed in with the greater ones. I don't want to see Tomoki or Camden struggle (Tomoki is trying to add more quads, which is a good thing, even if it means he's less consistent), but I take comfort in knowing who belongs on the men's Olympic team. I much prefer this over the US Ladies situation where everything feels so up in the air aside from Alysa. I don't want luck to be the determining factor in who makes the Olympic team, I'm very glad that 3 US men have separated themselves.
He is 21 and made a big announcement about going to Columbia in 2022. He says he wants to continue skating, but I think if you're planning to go to an Ivy, maybe you're not as focused on skating as you otherwise would be. Maybe your heart is kind of in skating, but you have one foot out the door. Nobody has balanced an Ivy well with skating except Nathan, and even he had to leave to focus on skating. The pandemic didn't seem to help Camden either. I remember watching him at a summer competition and he looked mentally out of it. But maybe his heart is still in it and he's just hit a rough patch, only he knows; he was fighting hard in the LP here.
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To be clear, Ilia did achieve the SP tech minimums for Four Continents and for Olympics.
But he missed the SP minimum for Worlds -- by 0.22.
(Plus he achieved all the FS tech minimums.)
The name of the winner is Nika Egadze, whose star has been on the rise for Georgia.
As a freshman at Harvard, Christina Gao qualified for GPF.
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Hah I live near Columbia. I even went there for my MFA. Maybe I'll see Camden. Then again, I've never seen Tim G.
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I love Camden, but I keep thinking of him as very young, but he’s 21. He may be a skater who is never able to sustain the kind of success he had as a Junior (JGP Final silver medalist. Junior GP gold medalist. Junior US National champion) as a senior. It’s got to be demoralizing to be in that position. It’s also a really good reason to not put undue amounts of pressure on Junior skaters who are transitioning to the Senior level.
I hope he is able to put forward some skates he is proud of.
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Vincent's been strong this season before NHK mostly due to his BV, but he still has massive amounts of rotation issues every competition. Nebelhorn he had 6 q's across both programs and an UR, Skate America he had 4 across both programs, which was his best skate ever, and NHK 5 q's and 3 UR. His 4lz is actually one of his better quads though. He singled it in practice as well, so I wonder if he got in his head or felt pressure and then he let those normal Q rotations turn under. Regardless, Vincent's still at the mercy of the tech panel even on a good day.
Though I can't see him actually be in any danger for the Olympic spot. I guess people can go back to arguing about the team event though.
I don't know what to say about Camden. He doesn't look like his heart is in it anymore.
Though I can't see him actually be in any danger for the Olympic spot. I guess people can go back to arguing about the team event though.
I don't know what to say about Camden. He doesn't look like his heart is in it anymore.
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Totally OT, but is that Chinese place still on the SW corner of 116/Bwy? I was just thinking about their noodle soups, which I used to love! (Im also a Columbia alum
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Totally OT, but is that Chinese place still on the SW corner of 116/Bwy? I was just thinking about their noodle soups, which I used to love! (Im also a Columbia alum
)Before that Chinese place it was a Chock Full 'O Nuts. Then the Ollies (Chinese place) and now a Shake Shack. Go Lions!!
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I agree. Ilia is the future for the US Men. I don't see our current top 3 Nathan, Vincent, and Jason continuing until the games 2026. He's just got to get his competition nerves under control and he'll be fine.
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I think Vincent just had a bad day at the office. I actually thought it was pretty good he only got Qs with the REALLY brutal tech caller at one of the other competitions.
He soldiered on though which is the best you can get given the situation. I want him to do well but no need to go out and dazzle everytime. Save that for the Olympics. I don't feel like this is a "pattern" and I hope HE doesn't think it's one either.
He soldiered on though which is the best you can get given the situation. I want him to do well but no need to go out and dazzle everytime. Save that for the Olympics. I don't feel like this is a "pattern" and I hope HE doesn't think it's one either.
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Agreed. It's good that he got the opportunity to compete in Austria this weekend, and the other comps he competes at.
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Exactly, Vincent just had a bad day. Despite that bad day, he still won the silver medal rather like Jason at SC. Both skaters showed why they deserve their place in the top three US men by still medaling when things didn't go their way... Only Japan and the US have this type of relative consistency in the men's field.
About the panel though , the judging in the men's event wasn't the same as the judging in women's. Shoma is my favorite but he had several uncalled URs ( on his first two quads for sure) as did most of the men. A stricter panel would have eaten Vincent alive. However, a stricter panel would also have called more URs on the part of Jun, Shoma, Makar, and so on ... So, the end result was fair.
About Ilya, it was nice that he had a better, although far far from perfect LP. However, I also think this competition shows that Ilya is a great hope for the future but he isn't among the top 3 best US men today.
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Sorry my post was confusing! I meant at one of the earlier competitions he had a panel with Shin Amano (sp?) and I think he got mostly Qs for that outing which was encouraging. Point is the under rotations, despite being a concern, are hopefully not going to be a habitual thing. He's fronted a more brutal tech panel and done better.
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I don't like that excuse. He's an elite athlete who is now very experienced. If he can't manage his jet lag at this point that's on him.
And the other reason I don't like it is that it didn't seem to bother him in the SP.
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I have no idea where the truth lies; just saying that it may have been one factor. Or not. But I frankly wouldn’t be surprised if he withdrew from Warsaw Cup next week.
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He has been competing A LOT. He was the only top US man at Cranberry Cup in August and he hasn't stopped since. 3 wins and one second place out of 4 competitions.
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Really? Vincent just turned 21 three weeks ago. Jason will be 27 next month. I'd like to see Vincent continue, whatever this year's results are. I just love watching him skate. The kind of heart and soul Vincent shows is what skating is all about.
I'm surprised to see so many folks jumping in here to predict doom for Vincent, because I remember after Vincent's fabulous win at Skate America, it took several days for congratulatory posts to appear. Well, maybe most posters are like me, and only visit this thread sporadically.
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I so agree. thank you for saying that! Vincent is hard on himself, but I think he's got a resilient personality, and I hope his coaches and team are reminding him of exactly what you said.
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