2021-2022 US Women's Figure Skating

[ice coverage]

Phattaratida is very impressive - however, it seems like the plan is for her to skate for Thailand. Her mom said this in a comment on their YouTube channel. But plans change and this might not be set in stone ...

With the Championship Series coming to a close, here are the top seven highest scoring Novice Ladies:

1. Katie Shien, 174.86 --- (3F, 3Lz2T, 2A3T, 3Lz, 3Lo, 3T2T2Lo, and 3S)
2. Elyce Lin-Gracey, 160.76 --- (3Lz2T, 3Lz, 3T, 2A1Eu2F, 3F, 3S2T, and 3S)
3. Sonia Baram, 156.35 --- (3Lz, 3S1Eu3S, 3F, 3T, 3Lo2T, 2A2T, and 2A)
4. Phattaratida Kaneshige*, 154.67 --- (3Lz3T, 3F, 2A, 3Lo, 3Lz, 3T2T, and 3S1Eu2F) ...

The top 3 will earn the opportunity to compete at US Nationals at the junior level.

* = represents Thailand ...

In mid-September, lutzlover said, "... it seems like the plan is for her to skate for Thailand. Her mom said this in a comment on their YouTube channel. But plans change and this might not be set in stone ..."

natsulian, are you saying that Kaneshige more recently has already started officially representing Thailand?
If so, what is your source?

If it remains only a plan of Kaneshige for the *future* to represent Thailand, then all is well.
Otherwise ... I would have to wonder whether there had been a failure by Kaneshige to give proper notification to USFS?
If(???) it already were true that she is (present tense) representing Thailand, then she should have made USFS aware.
And I would expect USFS to require her to to withdraw from Spokane, for which she is listed in the start order.
(Per Instagram, Kaneshige already is on the ground in Spokane.)
If Kaneshige already had been representing Thailand at the time of Henderson in mid-October, she should have been required to withdraw there.

Per USFS rules, "Foreign or released athletes residing in the U.S. who currently represent another ISU federation other than U.S. Figure Skating are not eligible to participate in the Championship Series or any designated Championship Series competition."

Per USFS rulebook, Rule 2232 says, "A skater may not compete in U.S. Figure Skating qualifying competitions and the qualifying competitions of another federation or represent another federation in an ISU event in the same competition season. If a skater enters a qualifying competition or ISU event for another federation while registered for a U.S. Figure Skating qualifying competition, the skater will be considered withdrawn from the U.S. Figure Skating qualifying competition. If the skater has already completed the qualifying season for U.S. Figure Skating, the skater’s results will be forfeited." (p. 121)

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... Not sure if Ting has another comp. ...

Ting is listed in the start order for Alpharetta.

 

[Amei]

Agree with some of your post, but am confused by this. I haven't watched JGP's, just checked a few results. Lindsay has a score in the 180's, and a 193 with a bronze medal, losing to two Russian JUNIOR girls.

Well I don't think the fact Lindsay placed third to 2 Russian girls is something to discredit her, as the Russian ladies have been the class of the field for years additionally they did more difficult elements than Lindsay. Samodelkina did 2 quads (fell on 1) and 3 back-loaded triple-triple combinations, and Petrosyan did 1 quad as well as 2 back-loaded triple-triple combinations - after all if we put Karen, Mariah or Amber up against these 2 Russian, do we really think they would do better than Lindsay? If we look at those 2 Russian Junior skaters scores where they beat Lindsay up against the scores of Amber and Karen, the Russians win every single time and their scores have 1 less element and I believe junior PCS has a lower factor to it than seniors.

Recognizing one less element in juniors, her scores might, that is might, surpass Karen and Amber, but her scores are in no way comparable to senior Russian or Japanese skaters. Kamilla just did a 260+, a watered down Trusova program broke 230, Sakamoto regularly breaks 220 ,

I was referencing more the elements - she's been attempting the triple axel (okay attempts) and multiple back-loaded triple-triples. Perhaps not the absolute top Russians but look at Kostornaia's FS Layout at Skate Canada vs. Lindsay's at the US Championship series in Virginia (Lindsay competed as a senior here so equal number of elements), the only difference is Lindsay a solo double axel vs. Kostornaia and a solo triple loop and Lindsay does a solo triple flip vs. Kostornaia's solo triple lutz. With the exception of the triple axel in combination she does a more difficult TES layout than Tuktamysheva.

Skate Canada FS Protocols
US Championship Series in Leesburg

 

[skatingiscool]

Agree with some of your post, but am confused by this. I haven't watched JGP's, just checked a few results. Lindsay has a score in the 180's, and a 193 with a bronze medal, losing to two Russian JUNIOR girls. Recognizing one less element in juniors, her scores might, that is might, surpass Karen and Amber, but her scores are in no way comparable to senior Russian or Japanese skaters. Kamilla just did a 260+, a watered down Trusova program broke 230, Sakamoto regularly breaks 220 ,

Great asset about Lindsay is her jumps and consistency. At this point, US should shift focus on winning team "silver" medal rather than individual medal at Olympics. I'm sure Alysa is going to skate either short or long program at team event. Do you trust inconsistent skaters like Amber, Mariah or Karen do team event together with Alysa at Olympics? I don't. I only trust healthy Bradie and Lindsay to do those Olympics team events. I think it's very important for USA to have Lindsay on Olympics team (#2 spot). The third spot.....doesn't matter ......as long as none of inconsistent skaters like Amber, Mariah or Karen is doing team event.

 

[dancelion21]

Great asset about Lindsay is her jumps and consistency. At this point, US should shift focus on winning team "silver" medal rather than individual medal at Olympics. I'm sure Alysa is going to skate either short or long program at team event. Do you trust inconsistent skaters like Amber, Mariah or Karen do team event together with Alysa at Olympics? I don't. I only trust healthy Bradie and Lindsay to do those Olympics team events. I think it's very important for USA to have Lindsay on Olympics team (#2 spot). The third spot.....doesn't matter ......as long as none of inconsistent skaters like Amber, Mariah or Karen is doing team event.

At this point, I think USFS is just going to let Alysa do both segments and split men and dance instead. So far, none of the US ladies have really proven that they deserve that team medal, and Chock and Bates and Hubbell and Donohue have proven over and over that they both deserve the team medal after representing the US for many years and having success at the Grand Prixs, 4CC, and Worlds. Furthermore, in terms of event timing, dance is before ladies, so this way it won't be as tiring for the dance teams, since they can split, and there's plenty of time for Alysa to recover before the individual event.

Also, in the selection criteria for the team event, USFS said that they would let the top skater in each discipline choose whether they want to do both segments or a single segment in the order of "most likely to medal" as decided by a panel. That would obviously put Nathan first, and he will almost certainly choose to split since men's is right after the team event. Then comes dance, and whichever of H/D and C/B wins US Nationals. So, really it's in their hands whether dance is split or ladies is split. Though who knows, Alysa might want to do both segments since she is far more likely to win a medal in the team event than in the individual event.

 

[macy]

Agree with some of your post, but am confused by this. I haven't watched JGP's, just checked a few results. Lindsay has a score in the 180's, and a 193 with a bronze medal, losing to two Russian JUNIOR girls. Recognizing one less element in juniors, her scores might, that is might, surpass Karen and Amber, but her scores are in no way comparable to senior Russian or Japanese skaters. Kamilla just did a 260+, a watered down Trusova program broke 230, Sakamoto regularly breaks 220 ,

i guess i don't understand your point. none of the US women surpass let alone come close to the top Russian or Japanese scores.

 

[beepboop]

Lindsay's currently in 8th at the Warsaw Cup (behind Emmi Peltonen and ahead of Anastasiia Shabotova) with a score of 60.75 (3F!, 2A, 3Lzq+3T<)

 

[Amei]

Lindsay's currently in 8th at the Warsaw Cup (behind Emmi Peltonen and ahead of Anastasiia Shabotova) with a score of 60.75 (3F!, 2A, 3Lzq+3T<)

Not her greatest skate, but its her first senior skate internationally, she's .01 point from Amber's SP at Finlandia where judges were generally very generous.

 

[mrrice]

Not her greatest skate, but its her first senior skate internationally, she's .01 point from Amber's SP at Finlandia where judges were generally very generous.

I was reading some reports and it looks like Lindsay had some UR's. I didn't see the performance but, do you still think Lindsay is a medal threat at Nationals?

 

[drivingmissdaisy]

Has Lindsay already met the minimum score requirements for Worlds and the Olympics? I see she surpassed 30 TES in the SP, but I don't remember if her junior event scores count.

 

[Lzbee]

I was reading some reports and it looks like Lindsay had some UR's. I didn't see the performance but, do you still think Lindsay is a medal threat at Nationals?

Yeah... This is what I was worried about. There's been a lot of hype about Lindsay but the seniors this season were scored much more strictly than earlier in the season when the juniors were competing. I also suspect Lindsay won't get as much of a PCS bump as previous juniors as I think the junior PCS cap is slowly going away and tbh I don't think she should score more than, say, Mana Kawabe who had 63 at Skate America and 65.7 at NHK.

Note that Alysa's PCS has also not risen much despite no falls and considering her actual skating skills improvement.

 

[macy]

I was reading some reports and it looks like Lindsay had some UR's. I didn't see the performance but, do you still think Lindsay is a medal threat at Nationals?

depends on the others. if all contenders are there and healthy i expect her to be top 5-6. but if we have a splat fest or Bradie withdraws, she could be 4th. i think it would take a lot for top 3.

 

[mrrice]

depends on the others. if all contenders are there and healthy i expect her to be top 5-6. but if we have a splat fest or Bradie withdraws, she could be 4th. i think it would take a lot for top 3.

The Free Program will be very interesting. If she can post a score that matches what the rest of the US Ladies ( Outside Of Alysa ) are posting, it will be a big deal. I just don't know how she'll fair with the tech panel at a Senior Event. Her Free Program is lovely and packed with technical content. I just hope she has a nice clean skate. I wish her the very best.

 

[ucrgirl]

I was reading some reports and it looks like Lindsay had some UR's. I didn't see the performance but, do you still think Lindsay is a medal threat at Nationals?

Wow. UR's killed her score. I don't remember her getting that many UR's on the Junior Grand Prix. She needs completely clean jumps to break through at Nationals.

 

[b-man]

i guess i don't understand your point. none of the US women surpass let alone come close to the top Russian or Japanese scores.

That was my point. I thought poster Amei was trying to tell me Lindsay was comparable to top Russian/Japanese skaters. He clarified in a subsequent post, that Lindsay's layout, in her FS with 8 triples attempted including 3A was equivalent to what some Russians such as Alena are attempting. I now understand and agree.

 

[moonvine]

Has Lindsay already met the minimum score requirements for Worlds and the Olympics? I see she surpassed 30 TES in the SP, but I don't remember if her junior event scores count.

Junior events used to but no longer.

 

[mrrice]

That was my point. I thought poster Amei was trying to tell me Lindsay was comparable to top Russian/Japanese skaters. He clarified in a subsequent post, that Lindsay's layout, in her FS with 8 triples attempted including 3A was equivalent to what some Russians such as Alena are attempting. I now understand and agree.

Yes. her free program is really great "If" she skates it cleanly. It has beautiful choreography and its packed with technical content.

 

[natsulian]

Gracie Gold laid down a clean short program today, landing 3Lz3T (the 3T looked q or under), 2A, and 3Lo. Gold scored 67.49.

 

[natsulian]

In mid-September, lutzlover said, "... it seems like the plan is for her to skate for Thailand. Her mom said this in a comment on their YouTube channel. But plans change and this might not be set in stone ..."

natsulian, are you saying that Kaneshige more recently has already started officially representing Thailand?
If so, what is your source?

If it remains only a plan of Kaneshige for the *future* to represent Thailand, then all is well.
Otherwise ... I would have to wonder whether there had been a failure by Kaneshige to give proper notification to USFS?
If(???) it already were true that she is (present tense) representing Thailand, then she should have made USFS aware.
And I would expect USFS to require her to to withdraw from Spokane, for which she is listed in the start order.
(Per Instagram, Kaneshige already is on the ground in Spokane.)
If Kaneshige already had been representing Thailand at the time of Henderson in mid-October, she should have been required to withdraw there.

Per USFS rules, "Foreign or released athletes residing in the U.S. who currently represent another ISU federation other than U.S. Figure Skating are not eligible to participate in the Championship Series or any designated Championship Series competition."

Per USFS rulebook, Rule 2232 says, "A skater may not compete in U.S. Figure Skating qualifying competitions and the qualifying competitions of another federation or represent another federation in an ISU event in the same competition season. If a skater enters a qualifying competition or ISU event for another federation while registered for a U.S. Figure Skating qualifying competition, the skater will be considered withdrawn from the U.S. Figure Skating qualifying competition. If the skater has already completed the qualifying season for U.S. Figure Skating, the skater’s results will be forfeited." (p. 121)

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Ting is listed in the start order for Alpharetta.

Thank you, I did not realize she was not fully committed to representing Thailand.

 

[katymay]

I was reading some reports and it looks like Lindsay had some UR's. I didn't see the performance but, do you still think Lindsay is a medal threat at Nationals?

The issue was her last combo she went into it too slowly, I think if she can just pick up some speed, she can get rid of the UR. She has great rotation, and for the most part rotates everything, her issue is the speed going into the jump.

 

[el henry]

More important for me, even, than Gracie's scores. (and yes, I watched some ladies' skating)

She looked happy. She had a real, genuine, unforced smile on her face throughout the skate.

Yes