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Oh My! Giaquinta! Mario Giaquinta, the Dean of Mathematics Department of University of Pisa is running the ISU judging selection......
I get it..... Russians "bought out" Italians...... interesting. I know many Russian business people, including myself, who are buying villas in Italy........ but not the ISU employees........ not an investment....
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Actually, there is a reasonable chance the the next U.S. president will be a Mormon.Please, make sure your next president is Catholic.... US needs "pagentry" and "pizzazz" in daily life, and on stage....
Tanith's next free dance costume:
http://www.museumtrail.org/images/SanLuisValleyHistory/Mormon.JPG
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Well, Mr/Ms Isa-Krisa, I apologise for having been so ignorant and perhaps revealed my stupidity as an American. I shall, from now, refrain from expressing my opinions on ice dancing and figure skating because I do not understand Russian literature because of my own lack of knowledge of the subject. Please, forgive my ignorance.
On that note, I still hate that free dance. The point of the four minutes of the free dance is to tell the story of the dance in a way that is accessible to audience members. I understand people want depth, and depth can still be achieved in simplicity. They're doing nothing creative with period costumes, or the idea of the free dance. From what you've shown, the idea they're using for this masquerade is the very SAME idea that Krylova and Ovsiannikov presented beautifully ten years ago, where the man goes to a masquerade and suspects his younger wife of infidelity, and it seems that they meet the same end in the story.
If Domnina and Shabalin are truly great at not only dance but expressing the music, then I and other audience members should not be scratching our heads wondering what the heck they portrayed, and instead should be saying, "I get it."
Unfortunately, before we can arrive there, Shabalin needs to up the ante. I understand he's been derailed because of his two surgeries this year, but his skating during the GPF was not, and will never be worthy of the gold medal they were gifted for Christmas last weekend. And don't b*tch at me for saying they were gifted a Christmas gift so early, when clearly, Russians celebrate Christmas on January 7. It was a gift, plain and simple.
Vesyoloye Rozhdyestvo!
Well, we got your point. Dom/Shab are two idiots who know nothing about ice dancing and so are 100s of skating professionals who persistently put them among the top world dance teams. And this comes form someone who spend his life on internet board whining and bitching and never achieved him/herself anything in his life even remotely close to people who he is spitting on. Well, good luck to you on hating them, cause they are there and they are for long time.
Judges got the dance. If you can not get it, that's your problem.
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Yes they are there and because of such a judging there will be more and more FS events with almost no public...Let them win their gifted gold medals at empty arenas
Yes they are there and because of such a judging there will be more and more FS events with almost no public...Let them win their gifted gold medals at empty arenas
Well, they might not be in US, but they are everywhere else. Don't blame judges for greediness of American event organizers charging you a fortune to get in. Just because US audience wants to see American winners, does not mean judges should follow that.
And yes we are OK with gifted medals. Bite it, losers!!!!
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Ooops sorry I opened this thread. Battle of the words is going on. I'll check back later.
I like DomShab's Masquerade Waltz. I don't know anything about the story or any of that but I like the music and the dance. I'm very glad that Oksana got rid of the poofy dress. This one is better. I'm also grateful that Maxim cut his hair and no longer looks like he's wearing the animal pelt from last year's costume on his head.
This is the first free dance of B/A's that I have liked since their Gypsy Dance. I, do, however agree that Tanith smiles way too much. The opening of the Chopin dance is Prelude In C Minor which is very dramatic and her facial expressions do not fit. She needs to tone it down...way down.
I LOVE DelShoes Piano FD! I know that it's not really a fan favorite but I love the way they express the music and the story. The sign language parts just really add to it for me.
This is the first free dance of B/A's that I have liked since their Gypsy Dance. I, do, however agree that Tanith smiles way too much. The opening of the Chopin dance is Prelude In C Minor which is very dramatic and her facial expressions do not fit. She needs to tone it down...way down.
I LOVE DelShoes Piano FD! I know that it's not really a fan favorite but I love the way they express the music and the story. The sign language parts just really add to it for me.
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For someone who most likely knows nothing about me, you're very quick to judge as to what I might and might have not achieved in life. I may have never competed in the Olympic games, but there are lots of other things in life that I have done that you probably can't even dream of doing.
What this all boils down to is I just cannot get into their skating. There have been many non-American teams that I've preferred over American teams (many of them have been Russian/Former Soviet), but I just cannot get into this team, and it goes beyond the story they portray--they are a poorly matched pair. Maybe this is how dance is "supposed to be"--where the man is just the frame of the woman, but he is a poor frame for this beautiful picture. Of course, that was once said about the great Christopher Dean, but at this moment, they did not deserve the gift they were given. Hopefully he'll improve. Soon.
So long post aside, before you go judging the other posters on this board, consider that we're here to talk about skating, not about one another's lives. I'm not going to list what I've accomplished in my short 26.9 years. We'll be here all day.
This to me is the first FD of theirs where I can feel them relating to one another. This one really is a dance where two people are communicating with one another, rather than fighting each other, which they've often done in the past. This is (and I'm not asserting that it should be everyone's) my favourite free dance of the season thus far.
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Well, if you do not like them personally say so without responding with condescending attitude to someone who tried to give you some background on what those skaters try to portray. If you don't get it, your loss.
I don't mind someone not liking something, but the way you putting it sounds like this team does not deserve any of the success they achieved. The team brings the most technically challenging program and deliver them with huge GOE as reported not by just few judges but every judge and technical specialist. You want to see another rendition of Krylova's waltz??? Well, go back to 80s. This is different times, different rules, different demands.
For a person of your age you sound too categorical and sure of yourself. And I could not care less about what you achieved in your life. Judging by your posts not much.
Every team, among the top 6 this season, has something great about them and something to work on. You wanna make an insightful and serious analysis, then compare them to each other not to a dance team from the 80s.
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If there existed no external means for dimming their consciences, one-half of the men would at once shoot themselves, because to live contrary to one's reason is a most intolerable state, and all men of our time are in such a state. ~Leo Tolstoy
Domnina will probably go down in history as one of the best female ice dancers. She is far better than Tanith--like you said, a lot like Shae-Lynn, and she kinda reminds me also of Albena Denkova, and when she improves further, she'll be like Maia Usova, the goddess (IMHO) of WORLD (not just Russian) ice dance.
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Well, we can't make Agosto and Shabalin swap each other's partners? Can we!!! And this could be applied to Shoenfelder and Virtue as the weakest links in those teams. One of the reasons Del/Shoes are having hard time winning (besides apparent judges dislikes) is that they always tend to make mistakes that are really costly when it matters. And most of the time Shoenfelder is the one to blame. Moir I believe is THE BEST male ice dancer, but paired with a very uncharismatic and bleak partner.
So as you can see it is not just Dom/Shabs is the only team where one partner is better then the other.
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My 2 cents: (disclaimer: new fan of ice dance, and an American just so you know where the bias is coming from. We all have them.)
I watched the programs last night and I too like Del/Schoe's FD the best. If indeed they got the highest score for choreography, then IMO the judges got it right. Hats off to them and their choreographer for paying more attention to the music and the story they are portraying. They may not be as strong (or fast) technically as the other teams but I think they have a FD that if skated well can put them on the podium for Worlds. I have been slow in warming up to this team but I now see/understand what others like in them.
Belbin and Agosto had a good skate and I think has a more cohesive program than Domnina and Shabalin. I wish B/A didn't play it safe with music choice though. But the Chopin piece is definitely better than their Amelie. Good, early preparation has paid off.
Dom/Shab were good technically and as others said were carried mostly by Domnina. Their music was a bit 'loud' for me, it is pretty grand, meant to be danced big but flowing (it's a waltz, right?). I kept wanting to see them do some fast waltz steps in quite a few sections. It would be a more enjoyable program if it had more of a ball feel. They are a good team but I feel like their skating is all 'attack'. It could use some 'highs and lows'. Aggressive skating is fine if the music calls for it but it is always good to have variations in a program.
Now, K/N was fun/entertaining to watch in their aggressive skating and 'aggresive' music. Others have already pointed out the 'cirque du soleil ' appeal in it but I agree in that it is lacking in the dance area. So the judges got it right this time by placing them lower than Del/Schoes and V/M.
V/M had fast skating, fast rotational lifts and more dance than K/N so they were rightly placed over them. They are terrific dancers but somehow their program this year doesn't grab me as much. They and Davis/White really drew me to ice dance last season. I still like both, leaning more to D/W (seeing more of the potential creatively here, JMO, personal taste). Hope V/M continue to work hard because they are a wonderful team, very refreshing to watch.
I watched the programs last night and I too like Del/Schoe's FD the best. If indeed they got the highest score for choreography, then IMO the judges got it right. Hats off to them and their choreographer for paying more attention to the music and the story they are portraying. They may not be as strong (or fast) technically as the other teams but I think they have a FD that if skated well can put them on the podium for Worlds. I have been slow in warming up to this team but I now see/understand what others like in them.
Belbin and Agosto had a good skate and I think has a more cohesive program than Domnina and Shabalin. I wish B/A didn't play it safe with music choice though. But the Chopin piece is definitely better than their Amelie. Good, early preparation has paid off.
Dom/Shab were good technically and as others said were carried mostly by Domnina. Their music was a bit 'loud' for me, it is pretty grand, meant to be danced big but flowing (it's a waltz, right?). I kept wanting to see them do some fast waltz steps in quite a few sections. It would be a more enjoyable program if it had more of a ball feel. They are a good team but I feel like their skating is all 'attack'. It could use some 'highs and lows'. Aggressive skating is fine if the music calls for it but it is always good to have variations in a program.
Now, K/N was fun/entertaining to watch in their aggressive skating and 'aggresive' music. Others have already pointed out the 'cirque du soleil ' appeal in it but I agree in that it is lacking in the dance area. So the judges got it right this time by placing them lower than Del/Schoes and V/M.
V/M had fast skating, fast rotational lifts and more dance than K/N so they were rightly placed over them. They are terrific dancers but somehow their program this year doesn't grab me as much. They and Davis/White really drew me to ice dance last season. I still like both, leaning more to D/W (seeing more of the potential creatively here, JMO, personal taste). Hope V/M continue to work hard because they are a wonderful team, very refreshing to watch.
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I see your case about Olivier, but I'm a bit curious to see why you call Tessa Virtue the weak link of the team? I actually like the team and thought they were equals of each other in terms of their technique and artistry.....Whereas in the case of Belbin/Agosto, Del/Shoen and Dom/Shab, you can clearly see who the weaker partner is...
That's my IMO. When this team dance, I only watch Moir and never notice Tessa. He has the most presence on the ice and carries the most expression of whatever dance they are doing. He also has better lines.
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