2021-22 Russian Women's Figure Skating

[Amei]

Came Across this, regarding Usacheva's Injury
*Disclaimer this is via Google Translate*

Russian figure skater Daria Usacheva spoke about the injury, due to which she withdrew from the Grand Prix stage in Japan.

“I stretched my jumps and felt pain. Fell down, tried to get up. There was probably a traumatic shock. Once I got to the side. They examined me and decided to film.

The injury definitely happened during the separation from the ice, so I opened up ahead of time and fell. They took me to the hospital in an ambulance, our doctor Philip Shvetsky and a translator from Japanese were with me.

They could not send me ahead of time to Russia, because the tickets were bought in advance, and I had a ticket with everyone after the demonstration. Probably even for the best, because the flight in the early days would have been more painful. And so the pain subsided a little, and the flight was calmer for me and everyone else.

In the first days after the injury, I "ate" myself. It was very upsetting for everything, and that I lost the opportunity to get to the Grand Prix finals.

The treatment now is just peace. Two weeks left. Now almost half of the recovery period has passed. Then there will be another examination. How long this will all take, no one can say, the reaction of the body is unpredictable.

Hope for the best, hope everything goes well. I cannot confirm yet, but I want to compete this season and will do my best for this. I don’t know how my body will behave, but there is a great desire, ”Usacheva said.

 

[Aimee-01]

Is there going to be a prediction contest for Russian nationals?

 

[Weathergal]

Is there going to be a prediction contest for Russian nationals?

Yes, it will be part of a Nationals prediction contest, which in addition to Russian Nationals, has Japanese Nationals, US Nationals, and Canadian Nationals.

 

[GoneWithTheWind]

Also if anyone knows what the status is of Talailakina’s transfer to Italy!

Denied. It was reported on a few weeks ago. I saw on sports.ru

However, she is appearing at Italian Nationals this weekend, listed as 'out of ranking/competition', so she won't receive an official placement/cannot win the title, but will be being judged by the same judges as the rest of the competitors.

Link here (will download the PDF of the out of competition start order): https://storage.googleapis.com/down...ule.pdf?generation=1638352116402930&alt=media

 

[lurkerghost1]

Prediction time:

Valieva
Shcherbakova
Tuktamysheva
Trusova
Khromykh
Kostornaia
Usacheva
Muravyeva
Petrosyan
Zinina
Sinitsyna
Samodelkina

12 athletes, 9/10 Grand Prix skaters. Who gets left out?

 

[Amei]

Prediction time:

Valieva
Shcherbakova
Tuktamysheva
Trusova
Khromykh
Kostornaia
Usacheva
Muravyeva
Petrosyan
Zinina
Sinitsyna
Samodelkina

12 athletes, 9/10 Grand Prix skaters. Who gets left out?

I would foresee Tuktamysheva retiring would not be surprised to see Kostornaia bolt, she had talked about retiring after the 2022 games before and given the coaching stuff just a feeling. Sinitsyna has not been that impressive by Russian ladies standards and no competition ready quads or triple axels,. I'm not super familiar with the juniors so can't assess them to well

 

[Minz]

Prediction time:

Valieva
Shcherbakova
Tuktamysheva
Trusova
Khromykh
Kostornaia
Usacheva
Muravyeva
Petrosyan
Zinina
Sinitsyna
Samodelkina

12 athletes, 9/10 Grand Prix skaters. Who gets left out?

It's wayyy to early for this...

 

[Jontor]

I would foresee Tuktamysheva retiring would not be surprised to see Kostornaia bolt, she had talked about retiring after the 2022 games before and given the coaching stuff just a feeling. Sinitsyna has not been that impressive by Russian ladies standards and no competition ready quads or triple axels,. I'm not super familiar with the juniors so can't assess them to well

Yes, I agree. I wouldn't be surprised if Tuktamysheva and Kostornaia will retire, so the problem might fix itself.

 

[Amei]

It's wayyy to early for this...

Its 3 weeks to nationals we are killing time

 

[icybear]

Prediction time:

Valieva
Shcherbakova
Tuktamysheva
Trusova
Khromykh
Kostornaia
Usacheva
Muravyeva
Petrosyan
Zinina
Sinitsyna
Samodelkina

12 athletes, 9/10 Grand Prix skaters. Who gets left out?

Sofia Akateva??? She probably has higher TES than Kamila if she does a senior jump content and she does 3a3t in her SP. She will probably lose out on Kamila because Rus Fed will score her goe and pcs in junior level and they're not going to let a junior win over their most heavily backed skater. But Sofia has a real chance at silver.

 

[lurkerghost1]

I would foresee Tuktamysheva retiring would not be surprised to see Kostornaia bolt, she had talked about retiring after the 2022 games before and given the coaching stuff just a feeling. Sinitsyna has not been that impressive by Russian ladies standards and no competition ready quads or triple axels,. I'm not super familiar with the juniors so can't assess them to well

Yes, I agree. I wouldn't be surprised if Tuktamysheva and Kostornaia will retire, so the problem might fix itself.

I don’t think Tuktamysheva will retire. She’s never been better and she said she wants to work on other quads but not put them in “this season.” Kostornaia on the other hand kind of looks over it.

What’s crazy to me is if Tuktamysheva retires and assuming Samodurova is not getting a spot, then the 2022-2023 Grand Prix roster will have zero Russian women who were on the 18-19 roster only 4 seasons earlier. Depth is insane but kind of makes you wonder which of these current top 12 will still be skating comes 2025-206 :/

 

[lurkerghost1]

Sofia Akateva??? She probably has higher TES than Kamila if she does a senior jump content and she does 3a3t in her SP. She will probably lose out on Kamila because Rus Fed will score her goe and pcs in junior level and they're not going to let a junior win over their most heavily backed skater. But Sofia has a real chance at silver.

I was talking about Grand Prix predictions next year, not nationals predictions. So Akatieva is too young. Also Akatieva is too young for nationals this year. We will have to wait till December 2022 for the Valieva - Akatieva showdown

 

[Lzbee]

Prediction time:

Valieva
Shcherbakova
Tuktamysheva
Trusova
Khromykh
Kostornaia
Usacheva
Muravyeva
Petrosyan
Zinina
Sinitsyna
Samodelkina

12 athletes, 9/10 Grand Prix skaters. Who gets left out?

Sinitsyna probably won't get another chance since she didn't get any medals on the GP... So sad because if the age minimum was 17, we'd have the chance to see her improve over the next 2 years.

I remember Tuk saying she wanted to get the 4S before she retired but maybe she won't bother if she gets on the Olympic team this year.

If she doesn't retire, then there's another 2 athletes to cull. Of the 4 juniors... Samodelkina is in danger as she won't have JGPF and her seasons best is the lowest. I also think Zinina might get left out as she's probably the least well known. The biggest issue is, the juniors only have one year of junior results to get world standing points so they probably have to be on the junior world's team to get a senior GP next year. If Zhilina makes world's along with Akatieva then there's only 1 new senior next year.

Then again, if RusFed are willing to pull the strings, they can send whoever they like.

 

[Artemisa]

Sinitsyna probably won't get another chance since she didn't get any medals on the GP... So sad because if the age minimum was 17, we'd have the chance to see her improve over the next 2 years.

I remember Tuk saying she wanted to get the 4S before she retired but maybe she won't bother if she gets on the Olympic team this year.

If she doesn't retire, then there's another 2 athletes to cull. Of the 4 juniors... Samodelkina is in danger as she won't have JGPF and her seasons best is the lowest. I also think Zinina might get left out as she's probably the least well known. The biggest issue is, the juniors only have one year of junior results to get world standing points so they probably have to be on the junior world's team to get a senior GP next year. If Zhilina makes world's along with Akatieva then there's only 1 new senior next year.

Then again, if RusFed are willing to pull the strings, they can send whoever they like.

And probably Usacheva will only get one .. she only did one GP, she isn't training yet, and she doesn't have any ultra c elements ... and if Anna wins the olympics probably will not continue ... and tuk will depend if she medals

 

[lesnar001]

And probably Usacheva will only get one .. she only did one GP, she isn't training yet, and she doesn't have any ultra c elements ... and if Anna wins the olympics probably will not continue ... and tuk will depend if she medals

Assuming she retains her quads, I could see Anna continuing as a competitive skater next season. She appears to love competing as much as she loves skating (at the very least, she is an extremely strong competitor as has been shown many times).

I have no idea about Liza T. She has already surprised me many times the last couple of seasons. The way she's going now, she could probably keep on competing at a very high level until she's 30, but at some point the daily grind of training may not appeal to her anymore.

 

[Lzbee]

And probably Usacheva will only get one .. she only did one GP, she isn't training yet, and she doesn't have any ultra c elements ... and if Anna wins the olympics probably will not continue ... and tuk will depend if she medals

Usacheva may or may not get two as she has a high season's best as of now. I can't see many skaters passing her after worlds and Olympics but we'd have to see.

Has Anna talked about plans for after skating? Like lesnar said, she seems to love competing and I can see her wanting to continue.

I don't know if Kamila is old enough to remember the Sotnikova discourse but she will probably want to continue too for good PR.

 

[sclloyd]

I would foresee Tuktamysheva retiring would not be surprised to see Kostornaia bolt, she had talked about retiring after the 2022 games before and given the coaching stuff just a feeling. Sinitsyna has not been that impressive by Russian ladies standards and no competition ready quads or triple axels,. I'm not super familiar with the juniors so can't assess them to well

Tuk has been around for a while and hasn’t given any indication she is physically not capable of continuing. Zhenya left because of injury and illness, Julia left because of mental health issues, Elena Radionova because of mental health issues. Every retirement that doesn’t end in a title or a bid to worlds seems to be because of injury. I think if she made it to the OGs she might but she might just want to stick around since she can. Not like she can’t keep her weight. Not like she cared when she couldn’t.

Aliona stated she wanted to leave after 2022 OGs because she wanted to go to med school. But since she’s enrolled in a four year program and said she would start med school after that, I don’t think she’ll retire. Since enrollment, she’s discussed staying in competitions. It might even be a good challenge for Eteri and TT, learning how to coach an adult skater. Also an image boost since they get trashed for coaching almost exclusively pre-pubescent and transitioning girls— not completely grown ladies.

If Sinitsyna placed top 12 in GP and her body holds up she might want to stay to capitalize on her immediate placement guarantee. She used to have a quad, perhaps as she slowly overcomes her health issues she will seek to regain it.

 

[sclloyd]

Usacheva may or may not get two as she has a high season's best as of now. I can't see many skaters passing her after worlds and Olympics but we'd have to see.

Has Anna talked about plans for after skating? Like lesnar said, she seems to love competing and I can see her wanting to continue.

I don't know if Kamila is old enough to remember the Sotnikova discourse but she will probably want to continue too for good PR.

I think Anna expressed a desire to go into coaching. But she doesn’t have all the titles she could earn. Alina left when she couldn’t keep up and had all her titles. Smart to go out that way. Anna might try to get all the senior titles. She definitely could do it if she keeps her quads.

Sotnikova was scandalous because she came for her Sochi Gold and the scoring was shady… well we saw what happened this summer with poor Dina Averina and the Israeli girl doing the same thing. Much more obvious, her gold was stripped from her in an incredibly scandalous fashion. I’d say Kamila gets really bad PR right now because of the same scoring issues, so if she sticks around she may prove eventually that she actually deserves them, and not that she simply had political favor at the time.

I think I’m most interested in Sasha. Aliona may not reach another OG but Sasha is just young enough that she could physically pull it off in 2026. If she doesn’t make it this season due to injury I could see her wanting to continue to set down those quads in four years. She has the full set now right? She could be the first lady to land all five quads and the 3A on Olympic ice. It’s a record she deserves to hold, I think. Would be sad to know the girl who revolutionized skating as we know it doesn’t get a chance to cement her legacy at the Olympics.

 

[Jontor]

The 18 Russian women we will see at Nationals ranked by best score this season

1. Kamila Valieva - 272.71 - GP Rostelecom
2. Anna Shcherbakova - 236.78 - GP d'Italia
3. Elizaveta Tuktamysheva - 233.30 - CS Finlandia Trophy
4. Alexandra Trusova - 232.37 - GP SA
5. Maiia Khromykh - 226.35 - GP d'Italia
6. Sofia Samodelkina - 224.54 (excl 4 Bonus points) - RC Stage 4
7. Alëna Kostornaia - 221.85 - GP France
8. Daria Usacheva - 217.31 - GP SA
9. Sofia Muravieva - 214.82 - RC Stage 3
10. Adelia Petrosian - 210.57 - JGP Ljubljana
11. Anastasia Zinina - 206.20 - JGP Krasnoyarsk
12. Kseniia Sinitsyna - 205.76 - GP SA
13. Veronika Yametova - 205.03 - RC Stage 3
14. Sofia Samodurova - 190.91 - Budapest Trophy
15. Veronika Peterimova - 190.60 - RC Stage 3
16. Valeria Shulskaya - 179.83 - RC Stage 5
17. Anastasia Morozova - 178.01 - RC Stage 2
18. Ksenia Gushchina - 177.73 - RC Stage 5
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Alt 1. Anastasiia Guliakova - 183.06 - Ice Star
Alt 2. Polina Sviridenko - 176.77 - RC Stage 1
Alt 3. Arina Onishchenko - 173.04 - RC Stage 2
Alt 4. Stanislava Molchanova - 178.22 - RC Stage 1

Some scores are from Juniors and some are from the Russian Cup so it's not all comparable.

It's crazy that a wonderful skater like Sinitsyna might not even make the Top 10!!!

This year's nationals might beat the toughest competition ever from 3 years ago, when the whole top 10 scored over 200, and top 13 over 193. There is only 4 skaters from that competition skating here (5 if Guliakova gets in).

 

[shcherbakovalove]

The 18 Russian women we will see at Nationals ranked by best score this season

1. Kamila Valieva - 272.71 - GP Rostelecom
2. Anna Shcherbakova - 236.78 - GP d'Italia
3. Elizaveta Tuktamysheva - 233.30 - CS Finlandia Trophy
4. Alexandra Trusova - 232.37 - GP SA
5. Maiia Khromykh - 226.35 - GP d'Italia
6. Sofia Samodelkina - 224.54 (excl 4 Bonus points) - RC Stage 4
7. Alëna Kostornaia - 221.85 - GP France
8. Daria Usacheva - 217.31 - GP SA
9. Sofia Muravieva - 214.82 - RC Stage 3
10. Adelia Petrosian - 210.57 - JGP Ljubljana
11. Anastasia Zinina - 206.20 - JGP Krasnoyarsk
12. Kseniia Sinitsyna - 205.76 - GP SA
13. Veronika Yametova - 205.03 - RC Stage 3
14. Sofia Samodurova - 190.91 - Budapest Trophy
15. Veronika Peterimova - 190.60 - RC Stage 3
16. Valeria Shulskaya - 179.83 - RC Stage 5
17. Anastasia Morozova - 178.01 - RC Stage 2
18. Ksenia Gushchina - 177.73 - RC Stage 5
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Alt 1. Anastasiia Guliakova - 183.06 - Ice Star
Alt 2. Polina Sviridenko - 176.77 - RC Stage 1
Alt 3. Arina Onishchenko - 173.04 - RC Stage 2
Alt 4. Stanislava Molchanova - 178.22 - RC Stage 1

Some scores are from Juniors and some are from the Russian Cup so it's not all comparable.

It's crazy that a wonderful skater like Sinitsyna might not even make the Top 10!!!

This year's nationals might beat the toughest competition ever from 3 years ago, when the whole top 10 scored over 200, and top 13 over 193. There is only 4 skaters from that competition skating here (5 if Guliakova gets in).

Where is Sofia Akateva?