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2021-22 Russian Women's Figure Skating

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Nastya Guliakova has WD from RusNats
Arina Onishchenko will replace her

Upd: The reason is a foot injury
Poor Nastya this could have been a nice redemption comp to end this season which has gone really badly for her :(

I wonder if we will see her and Sofia next season. I dont know if she will be able to qualify next season as she struggled to qualify this season and would have missed out had Aliona and Daria not gotten injured. Especially as next season junior ultra c girls born between 2007-2008 like Sofia A, Maria Z, Nika Z, Alina G, Liza B and many others will arrive to compete for a spot at senior nats. Same sadly goes for Sofia Samodurova if she cant get a gp for next season.
 
Poor Nastya this could have been a nice redemption comp to end this season which has gone really badly for her :(

I wonder if we will see her and Sofia next season. I dont know if she will be able to qualify next season as she struggled to qualify this season and would have missed out had Aliona and Daria not gotten injured. Especially as next season junior ultra c girls born between 2007-2008 like Sofia A, Maria Z, Nika Z, Alina G, Liza B and many others will arrive to compete for a spot at senior nats. Same sadly goes for Sofia Samodurova if she cant get a gp for next season.
Yes, that's the brutal competition in Russia. Guliakova and Samodurova will have lots of new competitors to deal with. On the other hand, after an Olympic season there are usually a lot of retirements, so that might open up the field a little.
 
Reminder that not whole Russian figure skating has state funded luxury conditions. ☝️:bow:


You know, I remember that when Alina won the olympics and the japan TV did an interview with her in her then home, which was represented by very small one-room appartment, many people were horrified and asked: "Is this how Russia cares about it's champions?"

And then there are "state funded luxury conditions".

I really wonder how low is the actual true awareness of the state of things and how much people do conclusions based rather on their prejudice than on their knowledge. Hint: it¨s not like that "state funded" part of figure skating means conditions like Messi and Ronaldo have.

Of course kudos to those girls and coaches working on the open rinks like this, they have to love what they do.
 
Well, it looks like with the lack of international skating this month, we are running out of topics to discuss.

“Slow motion replay” may have been the most commented on topic the last 3 days. Haha

A few more days until the draw to get back on track. Hopefully they aren’t long days.
 
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Well, it looks like with the lack of international skating this month, we are running out of topics to discuss.

“Slow motion replay” may have been the most commented on topic the last 3 days. Haha

A few more days until the draw to get back on track. Hopefully they aren’t long days.
its almost like its the off season!
 
I think full-blade is a misleading term because it masks the real problem. Most skaters that jump with the technique commonly labeled as "full-blade" have, in fact, a pre-rotation problem. But even their blades leave the ice eventually. I don‘t think it‘s actually possible to put your entire blade on the ice during a toe jump - you‘d splat on your face.

There are those that come pretty close, prime example being Morisi Kvitelashvili for the men.

Watch his replay starting at 4:02 in slow-mo - his 4T and 4S look identical, even the commentator notes it. This is a full-blade, to the degree that I‘d say he literally jumps a 4S twice and shouldn’t get credit for the second one.


Maiia, btw, not Anna, would come closest to this kind of technique on all of her toe jumps (which is, imo, the reason they’re somewhat unstable and she sometimes misses the pick and gets completely off-axis in the air). But even her blade isn‘t completely on the ice, so not full-blade.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=lcrnkALZHws

Minute 5:00 shows it pretty well.

Conclusion from all of this? It‘s not the "full-blade take-off", that‘s the actual problem but the amount of pre-rotation.


Look at this 3F in slow-motion at 7:55 and take in the amount she rotates while her pick is still in the ice. It’s true that, right now there’s no incentive in the current rule book to punish her for it. But my question: is it fair? There‘s a reason why, when you finish your rotation on the ice during landing, your jump gets called underrotated and BV deducted. So, why wouldn‘t it be the same during take-off?

I think that‘s actually what should be looked at, for Anna‘s jumps but for everyone else‘s as well. Does it make jumping 4Lz and 4F and whatnot easier? Then, yes, absolutely, create a rule that enforces loss of BV for excessive pre-rotation. At the moment, though, the judges don‘t care, so the coaches and skaters won‘t either.
This is exactly what I was saying— Anna doesn’t use the edge to assist in the jump the way Morisi does so it’s just picking technique, it doesn’t actually change the jump. Therefore the full blade has nothing to do with how you evaluate pre-rotation, or as the ISU puts it “forward takeoffs”. While it’s common that full blade assist take offs are associated with forward take offs, this isn’t always true. Anna seems to be okay with takeoff from the foot perspective, she just twists her body a lot so it looks like she has really bad pre-rotation.
 
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You know, I remember that when Alina won the olympics and the japan TV did an interview with her in her then home, which was represented by very small one-room appartment, many people were horrified and asked: "Is this how Russia cares about it's champions?"

And then there are "state funded luxury conditions".

I really wonder how low is the actual true awareness of the state of things and how much people do conclusions based rather on their prejudice than on their knowledge. Hint: it¨s not like that "state funded" part of figure skating means conditions like Messi and Ronaldo have.

Of course kudos to those girls and coaches working on the open rinks like this, they have to love what they do.
It's obviously subjective "luxury" of let's say Khrustalnyi, CSKA and Yubileyny, which is nowhere near pro-football standard.
Still, possibility of basically having a free rink for systematic full-time work with group of elite skaters is the highest fs level for today.
 
It's obviously subjective "luxury" of let's say Khrustalnyi, CSKA and Yubileyny, which is nowhere near pro-football standard.
Still, possibility of basically having a free rink for systematic full-time work with group of elite skaters is the highest fs level for today.
Only national team members have the "free rink", to be more precise their direct costs are paid by the Fed. And they had to become the national team members first, which was a many years-long struggle where the family sacrifices were huge, not just finantial but personal no less.

Of course at least when there is has a solid covered ice rink it's a good thing. But that is more about how the local administration supports the sport development of the young people as anywhere else in the world. And as anywhere in the world it will be always a compromise between the requirements and the amount of finantial resources. In an ideal world there would be all possible sport facilities in every city, but that's impossible.
 
Only national team members have the "free rink", to be more precise their direct costs are paid by the Fed. And they had to become the national team members first, which was a many years-long struggle where the family sacrifices were huge, not just finantial but personal no less.
That's why I wrote "elite". Everybody outside or below elite is nowhere near their standard, even in Russia.
I agree it is compromise between the requirements and the amount of financial resources, but it's also the matter of political choice and will to support the sport. US are wealthier state than Russia, yet they don't subsidize figure skating.
 
She likely slipped the way she did because her toe goes in on an angle rather then straight back. For example it would be highly unlikely for Liza to slip on the take off the same way. But because Anna’s foot has already started the rotation by 1/4 when she picks she is more susceptible to this type of mishap.
 
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