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[GoldMedalist]

Of course Takahashi should score lower for spins. But, a couple of Lambiel's spins at this competition were completely average and yet received +2's on the GOE. He was given more than he deserved.

Daisuke has his own troubles with spins, especially the camel. I really think it turned out fairly. Their scores were only .16 apart.

Takahashi should have been ahead by about 2 points in the SP (not .5) and scored slightly higher in the LP too.

We should all go through the performances with our own GOE and Program Component grades and see what the result is. Doing my own judging, I feel that Lambiel was gifted (and note that he's my favorite skater in the World right now).

 

[slutskayafan21]

Two of Lambiel's four spins in the LP received almost no GOE at all. That was crazy. Lambiel was way underscored on his spins, not overscored. As for the short program no way in hell did Takahashi deserve to be ahead at all, Lambiel with a pretty clean performance with a quad-triple should have been clearly ahead of Takahashi with only a triple flip-triple toe, Takahashi received jacked up scores in almost every area in the SP leading to a very inflated score, his performance was excellent but without a quad should have only been in the 81 range, but thanks to inflated PCS and GOE marks topped 84 and was over Lambiel with a much harder jump combination. Thank goodness Takahashi's overscoring in the SP, and Lambiel's underscoring in spins did not matter in the final result in the end, with Lambiel still winning.

 

[Joesitz (RIP)]

There are posters who do not like Lambiel. In fact some posters would prefer any male skater to win over Lambiel. It doesn't matter who does. as long as Lambiel doesn't win. It's the old 'anyone but'. Schaudenfreud (sp)? Kwan got oodles of that.

Joe

 

[slutskayafan21]

There are posters who do not like Lambiel. In fact some posters would prefer any male skater to win over Lambiel. It doesn't matter who does. as long as Lambiel doesn't win. It's the old 'anyone but'. Schaudenfreud (sp)? Kwan got oodles of that.

Joe

Indeed there are. Sad but true.

 

[luvsasha]

i don't know how you couldn't like Stephie ..but i'd love to try to understand why some people don't like him.

 

[Gipson]

Hmm, I'm not a fan of Stephane. He can be an exciting skater but I don't consider him particularly polished or musical. He has arm waving artisty where he focuses on a lot of arm movements when he should be skating to the music. And sorry, I don't like his spins. Yes, they are fast (although some of his spins were uncharacteristically slow this season) but he often has sloppy positions and can travel quite a bit.

And someone mentioned that Verner is a showman? I'll have to watch his skating again because I didn't get that impression at all.

 

[kittycat26]

I also agree Takahashi was overscored at the GP final. Stephane\'s LP score was about right I felt, his SP too score too low. I agree with the people who think it was a joke Takahashi even won the short at all, and to whoever felt he should have won the short by 2 points, sniffing glue is bad for your health.

I still do think Takahashi deserved the silver over Lysacek though, so atleast the final placements were right.

 

[cristina]

Just to say more some words about Lambiel... what ever he is (jumps etc), but I think that he is right now the greatest artist on the ice. He's really gifted and charismatic, makes a lot in his choreo himself. And is pretty too... And in his best days his jumps are not bad at all.

(Of course everybody can like or dislike him... like everybody else...)

 

[GoldMedalist]

Two of Lambiel's four spins in the LP received almost no GOE at all.

The second spin in his LP was slow and the third one was pretty slow and also traveled. Nobody can be perfect all the time. Lambiel has actually never been as consistent as Lucinda Ruh in his spinning in the first place.

As for the short program no way in hell did Takahashi deserve to be ahead at all, Lambiel with a pretty clean performance with a quad-triple should have been clearly ahead of Takahashi with only a triple flip-triple toe, Takahashi received jacked up scores in almost every area in the SP leading to a very inflated score, his performance was excellent but without a quad should have only been in the 81 range, but thanks to inflated PCS and GOE marks topped 84 and was over Lambiel with a much harder jump combination.

Takahashi got exactly what he deserved in the SP. His jumps, footwork, and presentation are right up there among the best ever.

Lambiel may have done a Quad/Triple but the total GOE for his jumps was negative .6. The GOE for Takahashi was +5. That excedes the extra value of a Quad/Triple and Takahashi's Circular Footwork was also better (Lambiel had a bit of a slip).

 

[bekalc]

If Lambiel was waving his arms a lot, that's because he was doing a Flamengo...(So it fits with the music)

I love Lambiel, I think he's the most artistic skater in the world. He's just so amazing, I love how he can skate to different types of music. I wish he was half the jumper that he is artistically...

 

[luvsasha]

i don't think that Stephane has flailing arms. All his arm movements fit in beautifully to the music. IMO, if you want to see arm-flailing to the extreme watch DomShabs free dance.

 

[*Sniper*]

i don't know how you couldn't like Stephie ..but i'd love to try to understand why some people don't like him.

I'm not even gonna try.

 

[*Sniper*]

i don't think that Stephane has flailing arms. All his arm movements fit in beautifully to the music. IMO, if you want to seee arm-flailing to the extreme watch DomShabs free dance.

Or Lysacek.
Have his arms always been as bad as they were in his Tosca LP?
My goodness.
I just watched the ESPN telecast, and my arms hurt just watching him.

 

[luvsasha]

I'm not even gonna try.

well, for me it wasn't love at first sight. LOL! two years ago i didn't even like him because i thought his skating was boring. (early 2005) But he converted me with the Four Seasons LP and the Flamenco just solidified him as my male Sasha. (Sasha got me into figure skating in 2003 and is my ulitmate favorite lady skater)

 

[Vodka Shot]

I love Lambiel, but he was sloppy at the GPF. I don't think he was above and beyond better than Takahashi really. The only thing he's clearly better at are his spins, although the judges at Torino must not think so because the levels for his LP spins weren't that great (possibly undermarked there?) I also don't think because he landed a quad in his SP and Takahashi didn't should make him the automatic SP winner, but with-out seeing the mens shorts I can't really say who had the best SP.

They're both amazing skaters. I'm saving my outrage for worlds if Joubert beats them both when he's clearly no where near as good as either.

 

[Hsuhs]

but with-out seeing the mens shorts I can't really say who had the best SP.

You haven't seen them yet?!!! How is that possible?

 

[Vodka Shot]

LOL, the only one I youtubed was Johnny's. I wanted to see all the shorts and longs at the same time on tv, but as ESPN didn't seem to think it necessary to show the mens shorts I now have to youtube them all.

I've actually only seen Lambiel and Lysaceks' SP's once so I definitely need to see those two.

 

[tilak]

Does anyone think that Evan Lysacek improved on skating to his music? I was surprised they had made an "issue" of something that seems so basic.

 

[Joesitz (RIP)]

Stephane, Stephane, Stephane. Who else can move like him? His arms are those of a gypsy flamnco dancer, and the poster who doesn't like them doesn't like flamenco. That's ok.

As for the 3A, even Paul said he made the revolutions before he landed and fell. So any more remarks about underrotations are just from the eyes of the beholder who believes he can not rotate 3-1/2 revolutions.

Personally, I think he over rotated it. landed on his heel, and fell. Most overrotators land on their heels. Underrotaters land on their toepck and squish around.

Joe

 

[Jaana]

Or Lysacek.
Have his arms always been as bad as they were in his Tosca LP?
My goodness. I just watched the ESPN telecast, and my arms hurt just watching him.

LOL, mine didn´t hurt at all... Actually I really like Lysacek´s arms, as they fit / express the feeling of the Tosca music perfectly. Great choreography and I´m really looking forward to see this programme with full technical blaze!!! Everything is not there, yet.