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[ae9177]

contratulations to all the medalists! great competition, great job from everybody! I'm especially happy for Evan to landed both quad combos in SP and LP, his hard work and determination finally paid off.

the distance between first and second place is so close! can't wait for the worlds! with so many talented boys in the field, the men's competition is gonna be VERY VERY exciting!

 

[slutskayafan21]

It will be interesting to see some of the upcoming battles in the mens event even before Worlds:

Europeans- Lambiel fresh off his confidence-rebuilding win here vs Joubert in his first appearance since Skate Canada vs Verner who had a confidence-rebuilding event at NHK too.

U.S Nationals- Evan vs Johnny with Evan seemingly taking the upper hand on Johnny again here.

Canadian Nationals- Chan vs Buttle vs maybe Mabee. Chan has impressed this year but this event showed he still has a ways to go to be up with the big boys, while Buttle's LP at COR showed some progress. This one may not be in the bag just yet.

Japanese Nationals- Takahashi vs Oda who is making his first competition since Worlds last year.

 

[Treasures17]

Congratulations for Stephane !
I love both of his programs, not much people were putting him as a favorite at GPF, and I always thought unexpected skaters often get good result.

So I was not so surprised seeing this result. I didn’t expect he will skate clean in his FP, because with his great choreography, it’s impossible to handle everything, doing quality 8 jumps, including three combo and quad, high level spins, footwork, beside many choreo, and completely feel with music for natural expression.

Skaters are not robots, that judging system is not good for artistic skaters.

I also love Daisuke’s programs this season, so I’m glad he received medal.

As a big fan of Johnny, I was more worried about when people started expecting him to get silver or even gold this season.

I’m heartbroken for him , but I feel he did good job with his problem landing foot. This result is much better than any of his result last season. He is improving.

No matter the result, his performances are always impressive, to see his magical movements and natural expression, beautiful landing posture and pose. Very deep and emotional. He fell only once in it. Not a disaster.

Hopefully he is okay and this will create more fire in him at Nationals.

 

[1795]

all i have to say is "ALLEZ STÉPHANE!"

 

[taylorfax]

It will be interesting to see some of the upcoming battles in the mens event even before Worlds:

Europeans- Lambiel fresh off his confidence-rebuilding win here vs Joubert in his first appearance since Skate Canada vs Verner who had a confidence-rebuilding event at NHK too.

U.S Nationals- Evan vs Johnny with Evan seemingly taking the upper hand on Johnny again here.

I agree.

It would be great to just see Steph at Euros this year. I missed him last year, (especially since I'm not a big fan of Joubert). I like Verner, too, and was rooting for him last year, but I'm not that crazy about his new programs.

Don't know about Evan taking the upper hand, but both have beaten each other once this season and it will definitely be interesting. :agree:

 

[Medusa]

I love most of the male top skaters - Verner, Joubert, Weir, Takahashi - but M. Lambiel just beats them all, just watched the LP, he is so amazing, every movement suits the music.

But - it is still not his best and I fear that this program becomes his "Gladiator". Yagudin did this program perfectly - like once or twice. But he never won anything significant with it. His Olympic LP was great too, but Gladiator was just better. It had everything.

I have this huge wish, that Lambiel will train and train and train till Euros and Worlds - and that he gives us a perfect LP with two Quads and a beautiful Triple Axel at least at one event. I will probably cry if he does.

 

[slutskayafan21]

Personally I found both Evan and Daisuke overscored in the LP, and found Patrick Chan and Johnny Weir both underscored. Daisuke and Evan still deserved 2nd and 3rd in the LP and 2nd and 3rd overall but they did not deserve as high of marks as they got, especialy for PCS for those particular performances. Daisuke was also overscored greatly in the SP. Weir was scored correctly in the SP but too low in the LP. Chan was undermarked in both programs, especialy on PCS. Stephane was undermarked in the SP as well. Van Der Perren got the marks he deserved in both programs.

 

[Joesitz (RIP)]

Lambiel won't be able to beat Joubert at worlds with a skate like that. It doesn't matter that he's a far superior skater and has those things what are they called?...oh yeah artistry and choreography. Joubert will come out and jump all over the place and win anyway. Lambiel needs to not get complacent.

Did you see Joubert in Skate Canada? He was not at his best. He may have had the flu but if not, he was two footing his landings on all quads and 3As. He is also putting rhythym into his skating a la Browning. That may be the problem for the uneasy jumps. He's a wait and see.

Joe

 

[shine]

I love most of the male top skaters - Verner, Joubert, Weir, Takahashi - but M. Lambiel just beats them all, just watched the LP, he is so amazing, every movement suits the music.

But - it is still not his best and I fear that this program becomes his "Gladiator". Yagudin did this program perfectly - like once or twice. But he never won anything significant with it. His Olympic LP was great too, but Gladiator was just better. It had everything.

I have this huge wish, that Lambiel will train and train and train till Euros and Worlds - and that he gives us a perfect LP with two Quads and a beautiful Triple Axel at least at one event. I will probably cry if he does.

Medusa, ditto everything you said there!

 

[terpskate4ever]

Congrats to Stephane, Daisuke, and Evan!!

I guess Daisuke lost it because of his first jumping pass, only doing a 3T. I think usually he does the 4T there, so he must have messed up the first time around, opted for a triple, changed his jumping order (?) to fit the quad in, but he only had two combinations instead of Lambiel's three.

I believe that Daisuke actually attempted to do two quads in this program (two quad toes) as goes with his new plan. He missed the first one but succeeded with the second one.

 

[*Sniper*]

Medusa, ditto everything you said there!

Me three.

 

[GoldMedalist]

It is dissapointing to see Stephane's jump layout. He looks like he is planning neither a 2nd quad or 2nd triple axel now. A jump layout that includes both a double axel and double lutz combination is not going to stand up. He needs to replace the double lutz-combination with a quad combination like he has done in the past, as well as skate clean of course.

I disagree. Lambiel receives the highest marks in the World for his Spins, Footwork, and Presentation. He only needs 1 Quad and 1 Triple Axel to win if he does all the combination jumps and goes clean.

Considering that Lambiel's knees aren't going to get any better and that he hasn't landed a Quad in the second half of his LP since 2006 Worlds, this new jump layout may be the best for him.

 

[terpskate4ever]

Personally I found both Evan and Daisuke overscored in the LP, and found Patrick Chan and Johnny Weir both underscored.

The first three finishers for the men all got higher PCS scores than they have been getting at their prior two Grand Prix event showings. A couple of the others were getting scores a bit lower. I'm not completely sure what accounts for this.

 

[slutskayafan21]

I disagree. Lambiel receives the highest marks in the World for his Spins, Footwork, and Presentation. He only needs 1 Quad and 1 Triple Axel to win if he does all the combination jumps and goes clean.

Considering that Lambiel's knees aren't going to get any better and that he hasn't landed a Quad in the second half of his LP since 2006 Worlds, this new jump layout may be the best for him.

Well the problem is he cant plan to do the jump layout he had planned out here. You cant do two triple lutzes, two triple flips, and two triple toes. Atleast I didnt think you could. Can you now repeat a three different triples twice if they are in combinations? That must be a change since I dont think that was ever allowed before.

 

[Jaana]

The first three finishers for the men all got higher PCS scores than they have been getting at their prior two Grand Prix event showings. A couple of the others were getting scores a bit lower. I'm not completely sure what accounts for this.

The difference could be that in Turin all the best GP skaters were competing against each other.

I was a bit surprise to see Johnny meltdown.

I would not call it a meltdown, he just had a couple mistakes. Actually, I was not surprised that he did not make the podium, I kind of expected it to happen.

 

[Ximena]

I would not call it a meltdown, he just had a couple mistakes. Actually, I was not surprised that he did not make the podium, I kind of expected it to happen.

With the performance he had today? You think he could have beaten Evan?
I'm honestly curious, or you meant that before the event you thought he could medal? Because I thought that too.

 

[slutskayafan21]

The first three finishers for the men all got higher PCS scores than they have been getting at their prior two Grand Prix event showings. A couple of the others were getting scores a bit lower. I'm not completely sure what accounts for this.

I am not sure either. All I know is Lysacek and Takahashi were overmarked in both programs from where I sit, and Weir and Chan undermarked in both programs. Takahashi still deserved 2nd and Lysacek still deserved 3rd, Weir deserved only 4th, and Chan deserved only 5th. However the marks of Evan and Daisuke were much too high, and the marks of the other two too low, despite the placings being correct.

With the performance he had today? You think he could have beaten Evan?
I'm honestly curious, or you meant that before the event you thought he could medal? Because I thought that too.

She means she expected Johnny not to medal here. She isnt surprised he didnt.

 

[April]

Good Job

Lambiel and Takahashi LP seem more complete. Johnny's LP is too bare and basic. However, I was very impressed by his speed. His spins looked faster. Even with the fall, his LP was enjoyable. I think the GPF is like a mid-term exam. Every skater can assess what needs to be improved for nationals and worlds.

 

[Bennett]

Congrats to all the medalists!!

To me, Lambiel's victory was a big pleasant surprise since a lot of things going on before the event sounded very much worrysome. I am glad that things turned out well for him.

The nerves seem to have affected Takahashi. I feel sorry for Daisuke but I also feel that it was not unexpected because he has never been known for being strong under pressure. I am actually very impressed that he is now managing his nerves so much better than before because I believe that it's simply extremely difficult to change such a basic trait of one's personality. He certainly seems to be growing into a mature man. So cool and hot

I am sad that Johnny was not able to have clean performances. But I feel proud that he pulled himself together despite the injury. I heartily hope that it heals soon I also feel that his programs may even evolve towards the end of the season. He basically seems to be in a positive direction to get better this season. Best of luck to Johnny

 

[Jaana]

I would not call it a meltdown, he just had a couple mistakes. Actually, I was not surprised that he did not make the podium, I kind of expected it to happen.

With the performance he had today? You think he could have beaten Evan?
I'm honestly curious, or you meant that before the event you thought he could medal? Because I thought that too.

No, sorry, I meant that before the whole competition started I had predicted (on FSUniverse prediction thread) Weir to be on the 4th place in reasults. That was based on his lack of quad which I assumed that the top skaters will be doing. And of course on the matter also, that a skater might get nervous at GPF after having won two gold medals at GP events...