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It doesn't explain last year though. She was up against Kamila then too, and skated just after Kamila's perfect skate. And Anna beat her.

But you're right. Something was different this year. That glow Anna usually has wasn't there. Something has changed. Maybe it is some small injury, or maybe she just had a bad day?
But Kamila has gotten better since then. Last year the tech content was pretty much the same and Kamila still hadn’t acquired the confidence she has now.

12 months later, the tech content isn‘t equal, Anna is a year older, and Kamila is as confident as ever.

Anna’s consistency made us take it and her for granted. Kamila makes skating look easy the way Anna made winning look so easy.

But this is still a human being that was bound to have a bad day. But, Anna and bad day just aren’t things that we used to saying together.
 
You are probably right!

What is also impressive is that Liza probably has landed the most clean 3A's EVER by any woman. She has been super clean with them this season and only fell once...at the worst moment possible...at nationals.
The Liza to the Olympics was a great storyline, but she didn’t deliver whe it mattered, so I can accept her not being picked.

With Liza, I think with my heart and not my brain more often than not, and I readily and happily admit my biases.

But even I can’t justify that she deserves it this year. And yes, I can be a hypocrite, but I’ve called out Trusova‘s chokes when they happened so I can’t pretend that I didn’t see it in Liza’s SP.
 
It doesn't explain last year though. She was up against Kamila then too, and skated just after Kamila's perfect skate. And Anna beat her.

But you're right. Something was different this year. That glow Anna usually has wasn't there. Something has changed. Maybe it is some small injury, or maybe she just had a bad day?
It is that the Fed has determined their winners in advance and Anna knows that every single jump could be a quad and they would invent an 11 PCS just for Kamila to compensate. Why bother trying when there is so much institutional power behind a skater that you can never win even if you do everything right and they do everything wrong? Kamila knew when they gave her that 90 she was going to win no matter what she did and that took every ounce of nerves away from her and Anna knew when they gave Kamila that 90 that she was never going to win no matter what. So why bother?

Anyways, this is my last post on the forum and yes you can all cheer and say bye b*tch but honestly I don't care. I'll give you a massive goodbye Jontor, and you too florin because I know you two just adore Eteri and Kamila and I'm totally your fave poster here and it's totally not the USSR era where you'd get your legs broken for saying something bad about either but you treat them as such saints we might as well think it is! Eteri saying that Aliona not going against the advisement of her doctors to compete (because it would cause permanent nerve damage, and affect Aliona's motor skills in her dominant hand for her entire life effectively classifying her as someone with a disability) was a "missed opportunity" for her at RusNats, combined with her comments about Zhenya's weight (1kg additional is fine to skate with if it's a cast, but not if you're already severely underweight!) and the insanity of judging around Kamila and the insanity of selective edge calls and the insanity of giving +5 GOE and 10 PCS across the board to someone with severe technical flaws because Puma and Ozon money can buy a lot of judges is making me never want to watch another competition ever again. This season has been literally everything wrong with figure skating.

You all have fun stanning an abusive QWEEN coach (YASSSS) and getting upset when people don't like seeing children mistreated and emotionally manipulated by a blatantly corrupt judging system skewed by elite political power from both the Russian Federation and the ISU. I'm so glad Eteri did that interview and decided to nitpick over one single point in the short program because now we know who she really is and who the Fed really cares about. Also a big congrats to DIANA DAVIS for somehow winning 2nd place at her own nationals with the most junior skating possible I'm sure Eteri had nothing to do with her sudden change of fortune with the Russian judges!!!

Why doesn't figure skating have any fans? This. This is why.
 
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It is that the Fed has determined their winners in advance and Anna knows that every single jump could be a quad and they would invent an 11 PCS just for Kamila to compensate. Why bother trying when there is so much institutional power behind a skater that you can never win even if you do everything right and they do everything wrong? Kamila knew when they gave her that 90 she was going to win no matter what she did and that took every ounce of nerves away from her and Anna knew when they gave Kamila that 90 that she was never going to win no matter what. So why bother?

Anyways, this is my last post on the forum and yes you can all cheer and say bye b*tch but honestly I don't care. I'll give you a massive goodbye Jontor, and you too florin because I know you two just adore Eteri and Kamila and I'm totally your fave poster here and it's totally not the USSR era where you'd get your legs broken for saying something bad about either but you treat them as such saints we might as well think it is! Eteri saying that Aliona not going against the advisement of her doctors to compete (because it would cause permanent nerve damage, and affect Aliona's motor skills in her dominant hand for her entire life effectively classifying her as someone with a disability) was a "missed opportunity" for her at RusNats, combined with her comments about Zhenya's weight (1kg additional is fine to skate with if it's a cast, but not if you're already severely underweight!) and the insanity of judging around Kamila and the insanity of selective edge calls and the insanity of giving +5 GOE and 10 PCS across the board to someone with severe technical flaws because Puma and Ozon money can buy a lot of judges is making me never want to watch another competition ever again. This season has been literally everything wrong with figure skating.

You all have fun stanning an abusive QWEEN coach (YASSSS) and getting upset when people don't like seeing children mistreated and emotionally manipulated by a blatantly corrupt judging system skewed by elite political power from both the Russian Federation and the ISU. I'm so glad Eteri did that interview and decided to nitpick over one single point in the short program because now we know who she really is and who the Fed really cares about. Also a big congrats to DIANA DAVIS for somehow winning 2nd place at her own nationals with the most junior skating possible I'm sure Eteri had nothing to do with her sudden change of fortune with the Russian judges!!!

Why doesn't figure skating have any fans? This. This is why.
Someone's having a bad day.
 
and it's totally not the USSR era where you'd get your legs broken for saying something bad about either
you know, Brezhnev, the famous Soviet leader, was a real hockey fan. And once, when he was enjoying the next match, his favorite team lost due to frankly dishonest refereeing. Right in front of him. On his eyes. And... nothing. The legs of the judges, hockey players from the other team, as well as the fans who supported this team, remained intact.

From this small example, it is clear that you are talking about the USSR without understanding what this country really was. If we were now seriously discussing this issue, you probably would have cited a lot of facts as confirmation of your point of view, but this really means little.

Here are some simple facts:
1) there are cats and there are mice.
2) cats often hunt mice.
3) mice sometimes successfully run away from cats.

Does this mean that "Tom and Jerry" is a documentary that fully captures real events?

I would not talk about this if I did not see that you draw conclusions in the same way regarding figure skating. You see some individual facts, like points on a graph, and draw a straight line between these points. And there maybe a teddy bear was drawn.

I also didn't quite like what I saw at the championship. And there are some tendencies that make me feel discouraged. But I do not have complete information, and therefore I prefer not to make final categorical conclusions. As for Eteri's interviews, do not forget that she also has emotions, and they are probably even stronger than yours.
 
It is that the Fed has determined their winners in advance and Anna knows that every single jump could be a quad and they would invent an 11 PCS just for Kamila to compensate. Why bother trying when there is so much institutional power behind a skater that you can never win even if you do everything right and they do everything wrong? Kamila knew when they gave her that 90 she was going to win no matter what she did and that took every ounce of nerves away from her and Anna knew when they gave Kamila that 90 that she was never going to win no matter what. So why bother?

Anyways, this is my last post on the forum and yes you can all cheer and say bye b*tch but honestly I don't care. I'll give you a massive goodbye Jontor, and you too florin because I know you two just adore Eteri and Kamila and I'm totally your fave poster here and it's totally not the USSR era where you'd get your legs broken for saying something bad about either but you treat them as such saints we might as well think it is! Eteri saying that Aliona not going against the advisement of her doctors to compete (because it would cause permanent nerve damage, and affect Aliona's motor skills in her dominant hand for her entire life effectively classifying her as someone with a disability) was a "missed opportunity" for her at RusNats, combined with her comments about Zhenya's weight (1kg additional is fine to skate with if it's a cast, but not if you're already severely underweight!) and the insanity of judging around Kamila and the insanity of selective edge calls and the insanity of giving +5 GOE and 10 PCS across the board to someone with severe technical flaws because Puma and Ozon money can buy a lot of judges is making me never want to watch another competition ever again. This season has been literally everything wrong with figure skating.

You all have fun stanning an abusive QWEEN coach (YASSSS) and getting upset when people don't like seeing children mistreated and emotionally manipulated by a blatantly corrupt judging system skewed by elite political power from both the Russian Federation and the ISU. I'm so glad Eteri did that interview and decided to nitpick over one single point in the short program because now we know who she really is and who the Fed really cares about. Also a big congrats to DIANA DAVIS for somehow winning 2nd place at her own nationals with the most junior skating possible I'm sure Eteri had nothing to do with her sudden change of fortune with the Russian judges!!!

Why doesn't figure skating have any fans? This. This is why.
It's so very funny or should I say lies? For years Anna was showered with mushrooms at every opportunity and the forum lifted her into the sky regardless. How other skaters felt about it didn't matter. Now that even with mushrooms it is impossible to put her above the other competitors, the unfair judging system is being lamented. I repeat: this is both ridiculous and lying at the same time. Rather get upset about the judges who stole Sonja the deserved place on the podium with their evaluation for Anna.
 
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The RusFed decided to send all Three to EC.

I hope Tutberidze will deny (for any acceptable reason) for Valieva and Trusiova (especially) to participate at EC.
For Valieva there is little gain having the EC Gold. Even for granted at 50-75% capacity.

But Trusova's EC will be her last competition and no chance Olympics. Mind you, the RusFed planned to spend her (yes, "spend" the correct word here) for Teams FP.
 
As expected, the top three goes to Euros. I think it's good that they get some international practice before Olympics, especially Sasha. I wish them all good luck!!

Out of those 3 I also think Sasha needs that experience the most before the olympics. One more chance to get that 3A sorted out and those nerves to be tested.

Olympics is 3-4 weeks after EC(depending if x skater is doing team event or not) and I think that's a perfect break time for those 3 to get ready for the big event. Team event and Individual is 8 days gap. Just perfect timing.
 
Out of those 3 I also think Sasha needs that experience the most before the olympics. One more chance to get that 3A sorted out and those nerves to be tested.

Olympics is 3-4 weeks after EC(depending if x skater is doing team event or not) and I think that's a perfect break time for those 3 to get ready for the big event. Team event and Individual is 8 days gap. Just perfect timing.
I suspect that RusFed will go all in with Kamila and use her in both segments in the Team Event. That is good for Sasha and Anna who can focus on the main event.
 
I suspect that RusFed will go all in with Kamila and use her in both segments in the Team Event. That is good for Sasha and Anna who can focus on the main event.
I don't believe Valieva can skate four programs. Even having to do first two at 50% capacity.
With no Trusova available, Scherbakova may do just enough to win Teams FP.
I'm in doubt it makes sense since the rest of the RusTeam is below the required level for Teams Gold, except pairs maybe...
 
Out of those 3 I also think Sasha needs that experience the most before the olympics. One more chance to get that 3A sorted out and those nerves to be tested.

Olympics is 3-4 weeks after EC(depending if x skater is doing team event or not) and I think that's a perfect break time for those 3 to get ready for the big event. Team event and Individual is 8 days gap. Just perfect timing.
No one will risk having a ticking bomb Trusova in the free. Not when she was healthy even worse now.
 
There is no obvious choice regarding the Team competition, only obvious thing is that Kamila will be in the selection, doing only 1 program if they want to take care of her and not run her into the ground before the actual singles competition, both programs if they wanna be closer to their Team Gold and don't care much about any of their 3 girls.

If they only have her skate 1 I really don't know which they will decide on. Logical choice should be the SP since the other two have no 3A to offer there. On the other hand Sasha's FS is completely unreliable and while Anna used to be a safe bet, if she does not drastically improve over the next weeks and can't even land one quad...maybe indeed better Sasha?

I think they'll reassess after Euros.

EDIT: Also, who knows what kind of political maneuvers will be going on in the other 3 disciplines. And where they will want to use both options or only one for both programs. Just a provocative little example, now that Diana is going, clearly Eteri would like to have her on that Team, that's a guaranteed Olympic medal, possibly gold. We're gonna leave it at that but mark my words. I don't follow pairs or men so idk what politicking is going on there or not but I'm just saying, maybe the Ladies' picks will be more influenced by those kind of things than by their actual scoring potentials and performance
 
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There is no obvious choice regarding the Team competition, only obvious thing is that Kamila will be in the selection, doing only 1 program if they want to take care of her and not run her into the ground before the actual singles competition, both programs if they wanna be closer to their Team Gold and don't care much about any of their 3 girls.

If they only have her skate 1 I really don't know which they will decide on. Logical choice should be the SP since the other two have no 3A to offer there. On the other hand Sasha's FS is completely unreliable and while Anna used to be a safe bet, if she does not drastically improve over the next weeks and can't even land one quad...maybe indeed better Sasha?

I think they'll reassess after Euros.

EDIT: Also, who knows what kind of political maneuvers will be going on in the other 3 disciplines. And where they will want to use both options or only one for both programs. Just a provocative little example, now that Diana is going, clearly Eteri would like to have her on that Team, that's a guaranteed Olympic medal, possibly gold. We're gonna leave it at that but mark my words. I don't follow pairs or men so idk what politicking is going on there or not but I'm just saying, maybe the Ladies' picks will be more influenced by those kind of things than by their actual scoring potentials and performance
S\K should do both ice dance parts to maximaze the points as only they can beat Americans. The question is can they survive it?
 
There is no obvious choice regarding the Team competition, only obvious thing is that Kamila will be in the selection, doing only 1 program if they want to take care of her and not run her into the ground before the actual singles competition, both programs if they wanna be closer to their Team Gold and don't care much about any of their 3 girls.

If they only have her skate 1 I really don't know which they will decide on. Logical choice should be the SP since the other two have no 3A to offer there. On the other hand Sasha's FS is completely unreliable and while Anna used to be a safe bet, if she does not drastically improve over the next weeks and can't even land one quad...maybe indeed better Sasha?

I think they'll reassess after Euros.

EDIT: Also, who knows what kind of political maneuvers will be going on in the other 3 disciplines. And where they will want to use both options or only one for both programs. Just a provocative little example, now that Diana is going, clearly Eteri would like to have her on that Team, that's a guaranteed Olympic medal, possibly gold. We're gonna leave it at that but mark my words. I don't follow pairs or men so idk what politicking is going on there or not but I'm just saying, maybe the Ladies' picks will be more influenced by those kind of things than by their actual scoring potentials and performance

I think Valieva will not go for both SP & FP in Teams, if any other opportunity allowed. No additional gain here, but more people to blame for defeat.
Provided the Russian men team will finish last-last or close to that, bringing minimal or no scores, the core of the medal are ladies and pairs. Dances are 2-3 places maybe (French mostly not accounted for the equation).
 
A day since it happened but I‘m still so happy Sasha has made the team. And in Silver position no less! I don‘t think anyone expected this but she showed up and got the job done, not letting nerves and pressure of Olympic selection get to her. Now I hope she manages to heal that foot, so she can perform well at Euros and then the Olympics!:pray:

As for the team event, I doubt Kamila will want to do four programs. She has a very demanding layout and it‘s hard to peak twice with those kind of jumps under Olympic pressure - even for her. Why stress her out unnecessarily when she’s the best bet for an individual OGM? So, given that she‘s the only one with a reliable 3A in the SP, I‘d say she‘ll do that portion. Then another skater is needed for the FS. Originally I‘d have said Anna 100% because she never falters under pressure but that performance yesterday put some doubts on that decision. She seems to be nursing some kind of injury, otherwise she‘d never go into the most important selection competition with only one quad. Especially when she‘s attempted two this season already. Which means that the main question for Euros will be Sasha vs. Anna for the FS in the team event. Sasha will want to be very clean to prove she can withstand the pressure of big ISU competitions and Anna will want to land her quad(s?) to show that Nationals was a fluke, not a regular occurrence.
 
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