I think that getting saved by the selection committee should be a one-shot deal, you never get that lifeline again. And while Karen and Mariah have their own inconsistency issues, they get better PCS than Amber.
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I think that getting saved by the selection committee should be a one-shot deal, you never get that lifeline again. And while Karen and Mariah have their own inconsistency issues, they get better PCS than Amber.
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The thing is that it worked last year when they (the committee) did it, so if they did it again, they would have a fair justification.
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A 4th place Olympic finish does nothing to advance the goals of the USFSA, unlike a similar placement at Worlds would.
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I hope that's Amber's strategy. Just HIT the 3axel in the SP. That's all. (And of course don't bomb the rest of the programs.)
Amber is returning to her SP from the last 2 season - 'Scars'
https://usfigureskatingfanzone.com/...e-amber-glenn-returns-with-olympic-hopes.aspx
https://usfigureskatingfanzone.com/...e-amber-glenn-returns-with-olympic-hopes.aspx
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They look to me like people on Twitter who are trying to be "funny". But I agree it's hard to tell. Whether they are right or wrong, TSL cited Drew Meekins, so they at least gave a source.
I don't know what posters you are referring to and what they said. When I have a question about what someone said on the forum, personally, I quote and ask them.Otherwise, it's difficult to specify what someone is talking about.
They look to me like people on Twitter who are trying to be "funny". But I agree it's hard to tell. Whether they are right or wrong, TSL cited Drew Meekins, so they at least gave a source.
I don't know what posters you are referring to and what they said. When I have a question about what someone said on the forum, personally, I quote and ask them.Otherwise, it's difficult to specify what someone is talking about.
The twitter link that i refer to in earlier post turns out NOT a joke. Karen is indeed having a NEW SP. I was right.
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Don't forget that Karen had 11th finish at Olympics and Mariah had 12th finish at World (TWICE) in the past. If Amber has higher score than Mariah/Karen @nat, USFSA should NOT pass on Amber again (IMO).
But Karen is #7 at world standing, the only top 10 in US ladies.
Even if Amber would be too 3, how would committee pick her When her PCS still lower than Alysa, Mariah and Karen on international stage? How can you put her in team or individual when judges already made their calls nationally and internationally?
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Because PCS is only half the score.
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Amber, Mariah and Karen are all have zero chance in winning individual medal or even top 5 at Olympics. There is really no difference in picking Amber vs Mariah/Karen for Olympics team. If Amber is in top 3 again, she earns the spot fair and square.
BTW, Kamila Valieva is at #10 at World standing (lower than Karen). This world standing is a joke.
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Yes, less than half and in reality probably only a difference of between 3-5 points per program. It isn't a good argument to make in favor of a skater. None of these women are Jason Brown who is actually capable of making up huge BV differences due to wonderful PCS/GOE. The difference isn't that great. There is no reason not to put Lindsay or Amber on the team if they do markedly better than Mariah/Karen at Nationals.
Good point. This world standing is important because it will allow her to skate in the final group in the short program leading to more generous judging calls. Karen Chen really does have BOW in her favour.
Well, it’s safe to say none of the US ladies has a chance for individual medal after Russian, Japanese and Leona Hendrix (apologize if I spell her name wrong) unless they all bomb in sp and lp. It can happen but improbable.
My point on PCS is point out that Karen can make up technical points (usually) by the PCS. Can Amber beat Karen on international - maybe - but Karen been to two worlds and an Olympic and Amber been to 0 when the competition is so fierce than she ever seen. We have not seen what she can do in those platform aside from Junior Worlds years ago.
The world standing is not the only factor but it reflect on skaters last 3 season. Kamila is lower because she was a junior before this year. I know it does not reflect the potential scorning of placement. It does useful from time to time like GP assignment or groups in world or Olympic.
I’m obviously still new here so I don’t want to say and then offend people somehow. We all have skaters we like over others and same for judges and committee. We can said our piece here but at the end of the competition, it is up to skaters to do their best and be safe (from injury or Covid). They can’t control anything else but themselves and I just want to support them at home and hoping they are safe and happy no matter the result.
Last note: this Olympic would be special as skaters may get to a team and not make it to the game because of the restriction. So even if a skater is an alternate after this national, there is still a possible (and probable) chance for them to make to the game if another skater somehow cannot make it due to the restriction set by Beijing.
This is so true. This is the perfect opportunity to pick the top 3, whoever it is, without any further discussion. There is absolutly no medal contender. Only injury, covid, misfortune from the others woud give any of them a medal chance. And we won't hope for that. This is the easiest us ladies olympic selection of all time.
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And that was a great decision for USFS and we ended up with 3 spots because of it. Or the opportunity to compete for 3 spots.
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If we penalize skaters for not having experience by not giving them opportunities to gain that experience, we'll just end up with roughly the same team over and over. Karen would never have made a World team if we judged her on her GP and Senior B results, but she's made the teams with strong performances at Nationals and performed better at Worlds than she has at other international events. The goal for all the skaters this season was to get into Group 1 or 2, because that gives an athlete preferred standing over the Nationals medalists. We had one who achieved that, but the others need to earn their place by performing well this week.
Amber has been given ample opportunities at grand prix and challenger events and has regularly failed to deliver including this season
Has Karen done great at those events- no, but she's largely delivered better than Amber.
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Karen has delivered at events (like Worlds) that Amber has been passed over for. Karen has not medaled at 11 GP events or 3 4CCs, so she isn't building upon her good skates at Worlds. Her results overall are superior to Amber's, but not by a large margin. Therefore, I wouldn't keep giving Karen opportunities over Amber if she finishes ahead at Nationals again.
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i've said this before in this thread, but Amber has had SIX years at the senior level to create a body of work. it's not like she is just coming onto the scene or USFS has continually taken away opportunities from her. she just hasn't delivered for six years.
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I don't have any complaints about past selections. My point is that I'm against people ruling her out this year on "body of work" criteria if she finishes ahead of Karen or Mariah.
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