Kimmie's Wow factor

[Yellow Cat]

The "wow" to me is Kimmie's personality - she seems like a genuinely good person and I'm a sucker for that stuff. If she came across as a b****, no "wow" factor in her skating could make me a fan. Anyone know what I mean?

 

[Joesitz (RIP)]

exactly. she had ONE big WOW move once in her career. We never saw it again.

And Miki's quad has been the rave now for at least 4 years but no one has ever seen it in competitions since it didn't go over in Dortmund. I really don't want to hear about her practices. The judges don't count them.

I don't like putting skaters down, and I have full respect for Miki as a competitor. Even the non-fans of Kimmie want to know what's behind this sudden attack on Kimmie without a comparison of the other big meltdown at the GPs? .

Joe

 

[Tinymavy15]

And Miki's quad has been the rave now for at least 4 years but no one has ever seen it in competitions since it didn't go over in Dortmund. I really don't want to hear about her practices. The judges don't count them.

I don't like putting skaters down, and I have full respect for Miki as a competitor. Even the non-fans of Kimmie want to know what's behind your senseless diatribe.

Joe

good point Joe. Miki is the regining world champion and she has been struggling with her 3/3's up to nationals and her quad we have only seen in practice. Her spirals and spins are no better, if not worse than kimmie's (athough her LP chreography is Very good, but that is a matter of opinion).

 

[Eddie Lee]

And Miki's quad has been the rave now for at least 4 years but no one has ever seen it in competitions since it didn't go over in Dortmund.  I really don't want to hear about her practices.  The judges don't count them.

Joe I might quibble about Miki's quad a tiny bit.  She did several in the warm up of  FS at last year's World's--according to Peggy.  She probably did likewise in the practices.  Judges see both.  I think it can subconsciously affect how a judge might mark a skater that shows what she is capable of--even if it is not in the competition, proper.Similarly, some had reported Arakawa doing 3/3/2 combos in pracitices at 2006 Olympics.  I don't think those hurt her in the judges' eyes when she won the gold without so much as a 3/3 combo!Having entered students and judged in competitions (non skating) ranging from local to National, I am convinced everything matters when the call is a cloose one!

 

[Joesitz (RIP)]

Joe I might quibble about Miki's quad a tiny bit.  She did several in the warm up of  FS at last year's World's--according to Peggy.  She probably did likewise in the practices.  Judges see both.  I think it can subconsciously affect how a judge might mark a skater that shows what she is capable of--even if it is not in the competition, proper.Similarly, some had reported Arakawa doing 3/3/2 combos in pracitices at 2006 Olympics.  I don't think those hurt her in the judges' eyes when she won the gold without so much as a 3/3 combo!Having entered students and judged in competitions (non skating) ranging from local to National, I am convinced everything matters when the call is a cloose one!

for whatever reason, Miki attempted the quad in her Exhibition In Tokyo Worlds, but it didn't work. Joubert smiled with a curious Why?

Joe

 

[mylastduchess]

According to reports Miki is planning to try the 4S in 4CC!

 

[mizu_iro]

I'd also like to quibble a bit regarding Miki's quad. At least she's been practicing them and recently she's been landing ones that are squeaky clean, ones that most male skaters would kill to have. Kimmie hasn't even talked of putting the triple axel back in her programs, and that seems to be what's expected of her if she's to compete at the highest level. I don't think Kimmie needs a "wow" factor - her skating is unpretentious and inoffensive, with good basics in her skating and spinning. If she can get the jumps cleaned up (and hopefully put the 3A back in), that should really be enough for her to contend.

 

[DragonPhoenix]

I think it’s quite possible that Kimmie will win the US Nationals again.

I think many skaters at times suffer from meltdowns as Kimmie did and Miki did.

It’s a natural part of human nature and psychology, especially when considering the pressure and stresses that are experienced by figure skaters.

I believe Miki has done much better at her Nationals than in her meltdown at COR and didn't even get to the GPF

Kimmie was not at her best the entire season, but much much much better than Miki. and in spite of her poor season, Kimmie did make the Final.. Miki didn't, Did she? Have you figured out WHY?


And Miki's quad has been the rave now for at least 4 years but no one has ever seen it in competitions since it didn't go over in Dortmund. I really don't want to hear about her practices. The judges don't count them.

for whatever reason, Miki attempted the quad in her Exhibition In Tokyo Worlds, but it didn't work. Joubert smiled with a curious Why?

I don't like putting skaters down, and I have full respect for Miki as a competitor.

Joe

Oh, really , you respect Miki ? And you don’t like putting skaters down ?

Wow, that’s the first time I’ve seen respect shown in that way.

Or is there a new meaning of the word respect which I missed somewhere ? At least be honest, when reading your above posts, anyone can see that your whole point was the put downs

And by the way, your put downs are clutching at straws, ridiculous

And another by the way, Miki was not even in the COR this season.

 

[jsteam4501s]

I like the quiet, peaceful atmosphere here. Anyway, I think Kimmie just needs to get her old confidence back and have a clean SP & LP at Nationals.

 

[Joesitz (RIP)]

Oh, really , you respect Miki ? And you don’t like putting skaters down ?

Wow, that’s the first time I’ve seen respect shown in that way.

And how would one react to this provacative post regarding Kimmie?

yes, she placed well, but for the life of me i can't figure out why. what the judges see in her programs must be a whole other picture than what i see. I don't think she has had a clean LP yet, and if you incude a huge cheat, not a clean SP either. If she can reley on the judges holding her up she doesn't have to worry.

and I just threw in the comparison of the other World Champion. There would not be a retort if their wasn't an original. I still respect Miki and the retort was at the writer not at her.
Joe

 

[DragonPhoenix]

And how would one react to this provacative post regarding Kimmie?

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yes, she placed well, but for the life of me i can't figure out why. what the judges see in her programs must be a whole other picture than what i see. I don't think she has had a clean LP yet, and if you incude a huge cheat, not a clean SP either. If she can reley on the judges holding her up she doesn't have to worry.

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and I just threw in the comparison of the other World Champion. There would not be a retort if their wasn't an original. I still respect Miki and the retort was at the writer not at her.
Joe

The above quote you are bringing up and talking about is not my post.

But to answer your question,
I think it’s better to just try and compliment whoever you’re trying to compliment, rather than putting down a particular skater.

 

[Tinymavy15]

some had reported Arakawa doing 3/3/2 combos in pracitices at 2006 Olympics.  I don't think those hurt her in the judges' eyes when she won the gold without so much as a 3/3 combo!

yes, there is a tape for her doing a beautiful 3/3/3!!!! She was owning the practice sessions, maybe trying to play in the minds of the other skaaters that they could not possibly win. I have to say her freeskate was a real downer, becasue the viewer knew that she was just gonna be clean and safe and boring.

According to reports Miki is planning to try the 4S in 4CC!

well like the dozens of these reports, we won't know a thing until the freeskate. personally, i feel that if she was gonna do a quad she would have done it at worlds.

 

[Joesitz (RIP)]

The above quote you are bringing up and talking about is not my post.

But to answer your question,
I think it’s better to just try and compliment whoever you’re trying to compliment, rather than putting down a particular skater.

I agree and I would definitely defend Miki if someone just started bashing her for no apparent reason.

 

[mskater93]

yes, there is a tape for her doing a beautiful 3/3/3!!!! She was owning the practice sessions, maybe trying to play in the minds of the other skaaters that they could not possibly win. I have to say her freeskate was a real downer, becasue the viewer knew that she was just gonna be clean and safe and boring.
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I don't know that I would call the 3/3/3 "beautiful" as the second jump was questionable (right about 1/4 cheated) and the third was definitely under-rotated by IJS standards. This was posted on another forum and discussed ad nauseum from a technical standpoint for a good week or so...

 

[Bennett]

The "wow" to me is Kimmie's personality - she seems like a genuinely good person and I'm a sucker for that stuff. If she came across as a b****, no "wow" factor in her skating could make me a fan. Anyone know what I mean?

I know what you mean!!! She is very likable. I think that's one of the most important things that count as a pro-skater if she ever performs in ice shows later.

Besides, she has the World title. That's another wow factor that certainly helps her make money in FS for the rest of her life if she wishes.

I thought that Kimmie had a 3A last season (even though we barely saw it) and it's not a long time ago. Perhaps she may be able to recover it after she finishes growing. It would be really cool if both Mao and Kimmie do 3A and Miki does a quad in the same competition:agree:

 

[cassieandcheetah]

I know what you mean!!! She is very likable. I think that's one of the most important things that count as a pro-skater if she ever performs in ice shows later.

Besides, she has the World title. That's another wow factor that certainly helps her make money in FS for the rest of her life if she wishes.

I thought that Kimmie had a 3A last season (even though we barely saw it) and it's not such a long time ago. Perhaps she can recover it soon after she finishes growing. It would be really cool if both Mao and Kimmie do 3A and Miki does a quad in the same competition:agree:

I can't imagine kimmie being a pro. For some reason I think she should just concentrate on having a different career. Every time she performed an ex-piece, I felt so bored to death I couldn't take it. She still has no idea how to project herself to the audience, and it's hard to believe because she's been skating for almost all her life! People talk about Miki Ando being boring, but I think she's head and shoulders better.

 

[Bennett]

I can't imagine kimmie being a pro. For some reason I think she should just concentrate on having a different career. Every time she performed an ex-piece, I felt so bored to death I couldn't take it. She still has no idea how to project herself to the audience, and it's hard to believe because she's been skating for almost all her life! People talk about Miki Ando being boring, but I think she's head and shoulders better.

I don't necessarily assume Kimmie becoming a pro because I heard that Kimmie studies something at college that is different from skating. But I don't assume that she won't be a pro, either, because I don't know what she really wants to do. I was just hypothetically talking about one of her potentials in skating, given her wonderful accomplishments so far. It seems that Kimmie is very popular especially among kids and her Cool Kids seem to be successful so far. So yeah, I think that Kimmie may be able to attract audience in ice shows. Further, whatever career she pursues, having these great accomplishments not only would mean a lot to herself, but also might give her further opportunities in many fields.

 

[Fossi]

exactly. she had ONE big WOW move once in her career. We never saw it again.

hee hee! She amazed everyone with her 3axel and the next year she stole the show at Worlds in 2006. I don't think she needed teh 3axel at Worlds that year. At least she tried it though and at leats she went for the 3/3's in teh past. Do the other skaters land their 3axels consistently?

 

[mskater93]

The only lady that has ever landed the 3A with any consistency was Midori Ito. Mao is under a "consistent" level with it although she often attempts it, Harding rarely landed it cleanly, Nakano just brought it back to her arsenal after it being gone for a couple seasons, Meissner "landed" it once at Nationals in 05 and got credit for a fall on one last season at TEB, and Nelidina quit skating. I can't for the life of me recall anyone else even attempting it....

 

[Tinymavy15]

I don't know that I would call the 3/3/3 "beautiful" as the second jump was questionable (right about 1/4 cheated) and the third was definitely under-rotated by IJS standards. This was posted on another forum and discussed ad nauseum from a technical standpoint for a good week or so...

yes i agree that many of shizuka's jumps looked cheated. If the CoP has been in place earlier she might not have had half the sucess that she had.