2021-2022 US Women's Figure Skating

[drivingmissdaisy]

Well I think the if the Fed is considering her they should do a skate off of complete programs between everyone. Its been said before - whoever does the team even is pretty much guaranteed a medal of some color, what skater is going to admit they aren't capable of doing the team event?

Given that the USFSA has had problems with athletes competing in big events while injured, such as Czisny and Flatt, I wonder if they're evaluating practices before making a decision on the team event. If so, I think Alysa would still be in the running because, if healthy, she can outdo what we've seen from Karen and Mariah in training.

 

[saturdaysun]

If they wanted to monitor both women in practice in China ahead of the event (let's just take Alysa out of the equation since she's not even there yet), both Mariah and Karen could have been on the first flight, like Nathan and Vincent, but they weren't. Only Karen was, along with all the other Team Event skaters. According to Mariah's IG she knew well ahead of time that she was on the second plane ("leaving in four days"), so there was no last-minute switch because she didn't test negative in time for the first flight or whatever. It may be a surprising choice to some, but it's kinda getting insulting at this point the way some people are looking for angles to downplay Karen's presence.

Hopefully once everything is official everyone can admit it was Karen all along and she's a great choice who deserves an Olympic medal just as much as the two ice dance teams do.

 

[readernick]

Hopefully once everything is official everyone can admit it was Karen all along and she's a great choice who deserves an Olympic medal just as much as the two ice dance teams do

No US women deserves a medal as much as the US ice dance teams do. Sorry, they are top tier quality in their discipline that just isn't true for any US lady.

 

[loopy1217]

No US women deserves a medal as much as the US ice dance teams do. Sorry, they are top tier quality in their discipline that just isn't true for any US lady.

That seems harsh. It is the purpose of team event- not all medalist on the team event deserve a medal but they get the medal because they did their bestfor their team. Whether you disagree the choice of skaters or disagree that each team medalist deserve one or not, it is just wrong to say they don’t deserve it. The governing body pick them in team event for best shot. It’s not anyone call but them, please do not pull skaters into this.


Again you all can have favorites and disagree on things but this forum is supposed to be supportive for all US skaters (at least in this thread). Do not ever bring others down to make a point. It doesn’t help anyone. And you shouldn’t judge others when you are not in their shoes and know every single sacrifice they made up to this point.

 

[readernick]

That seems harsh. It is the purpose of team event- not all medalist on the team event deserve a medal but they get the medal because they did their bestfor their team. Whether you disagree the choice of skaters or disagree that each team medalist deserve one or not, it is just wrong to say they don’t deserve it. The governing body pick them in team event for best shot. It’s not anyone call but them, please do not pull skaters into this.


Again you all can have favorites and disagree on things but this forum is supposed to be supportive for all US skaters (at least in this thread). Do not ever bring others down to make a point. It doesn’t help anyone. And you shouldn’t judge others when you are not in their shoes and know every single sacrifice they made up to this point.

This is fact. I am supportive of the US ladies. But, being supportive means acknowledging reality. For the US ladies, skating clean is an accomplishment. They aren't as good as the ice dancers in terms of competitiveness in their discipline. Honestly, based on skating quality H/D are really the best or second-best ice dancers in the World. Politics will probably not allow them to get the individual silver. They deserve a medal. Chock/ Bates are also podium-worthy. The US ladies aren't. The US ladies are obviously aware of this. I don't understand why some fans aren't? Every skater going to the Olympics works incredibly hard. I respect them but they don't all deserve medals.

 

[loopy1217]

This is facts. I am supportive of the US ladies. But, being supportive means acknowledging reality. For the US ladies, skating clean is an accomplishment. They aren't as good as the ice dancers in terms of competitiveness in their perspective discipline. Honestly, based on skating quality H/D are really the best or second best ice dancers in the World. Politics will probably not allow them to get the individual silver. They deserve a medal. Chock/ Bates are also podium worthy. The US ladies aren't. The US ladies are obviously aware of this. I don't understand why some fans aren't? Every skater going to the Olympics works incredibly hard. I respect them but they don't all deserve medals.

I’m not disagreeing on the fact that US ladies are possibly/probably not going to get an individual medal as the level in women field are super strong.

I’m also not disagreeing on the fact that US dance team should get the Olympic medals as they are top 3-4 in the world.

However, I am disagreeing on the point where you said the US women doesn’t deserve a team medal if/when US win a team medal. Because this is how the team event design and works. This is fact and this is the rule of the game. You might not like it but it is rules nonetheless. It is like I don’t like the two per country rule in gymnastic but it is a rule set by FIG and all of us (regardless on how angry we are when our favorites didn’t make top 2) needs to respect the rules and the results.

 

[readernick]

I’m not disagreeing on the fact that US ladies are possibly/probably not going to get an individual medal as the level in women field are super strong.

I’m also not disagreeing on the fact that US dance team should get the Olympic medals as they are top 3-4 in the world.

However, I am disagreeing on the point where you said the US women doesn’t deserve a team medal if/when US win a team medal. Because this is how the team event design and works. This is fact and this is the rule of the game. You might not like it but it is rules nonetheless. It is like I don’t like the two per country rule in gymnastic but it is a rule set by FIG and all of us (regardless on how angry we are when our favorites didn’t make top 2) needs to respect the rules and the results.

I never said the lady who skates in the team event doesn't deserve a medal. Obviously, whichever US lady participates will according to the rules get a medal if the US does well, and will have earned it. I said no US lady deserves a medal as much as the ice dancers do. I stand by that. The top two US ice dance teams are multiple world medalists.

However, this is all unimportant now because it seems to be confirmed through multiple reliable sources that the US is going to split dance, not ladies, which is obviously the correct decision. The US still has TBA on the US lady who will be chosen for the SP, so given the illness that Alysa and Mariah suffered during and after Nationals, I guess they are waiting until the last minute to decide who will skate both programs. Alysa may still be in the conversation. Neither Karen nor Mariah have looked particularly good or bad in practice. I wonder if Alysa could still be chosen?

 

[drivingmissdaisy]

It may be a surprising choice to some, but it's kinda getting insulting at this point the way some people are looking for angles to downplay Karen's presence.

I'm not sure how speculating who will be chosen for the team event is an insult to Karen.

 

[Jammers]

So no word yet which lady is skating in the TE?

 

[ramurphy2005]

So no word yet which lady is skating in the TE?

Nope.

We do know that the Junior Worlds team is Levito, Seo, and Thorngren.

 

[Jammers]

I can't see Alysa getting picked since for some reason she decided to fly out later almost right before the TE.

 

[dancelion21]

So no word yet which lady is skating in the TE?

Most signs point to Karen. She left on the first flight to Beijing. She's the only one who hasn't had COVID recently. She's proven that she peaks later in the season and can rise to the occasion. The least likely would be Alysa. She's still not in Beijing yet and the Team short program is in just over 48 hours. Mariah could be the chosen one, since she is the National champion. The Ice Academy of Montreal has confirmed (before USFS) that Hubbell/Donohue and Chock/Bates are splitting the team event, and it doesn't take a genius to realize that the men will want to split since the individual event is immediately after the team event. So, only one lady can skate the program.

 

[bytheriver]

Alysa was still in LA as of yesterday according to The Rinks Instagram. She was training at their center. All signs point to her leaving on Friday - team processing doesn’t take place at LAX so I’m not sure why people thought immediately after being processed the skaters would be flying out.

I don’t think they’re waiting for Alysa to arrive to make a decision, it seems that most top countries (Russia mainly) haven’t announced their ladies pick yet. It seems like the teams want to keep it close to the vest, maybe as a strategy. I’m willing to bet we’ll see Karen in the short (and probably long unless ladies gets split with Mariah).

 

[Amei]

Alysa was still in LA as of yesterday according to The Rinks Instagram. She was training at their center. All signs point to her leaving on Friday - team processing doesn’t take place at LAX so I’m not sure why people thought immediately after being processed the skaters would be flying out.

I don’t think they’re waiting for Alysa to arrive to make a decision, it seems that most top countries (Russia mainly) haven’t announced their ladies pick yet. It seems like the teams want to keep it close to the vest, maybe as a strategy. I’m willing to bet we’ll see Karen in the short (and probably long unless ladies gets split with Mariah).

Based on some other posts 1 from C/B & H/D's rink the US is splitting ice dance (which seems concrete since it came from a rink of the participants) and men (less concrete i think, as far as I know its not come from an official source but media has been saying it) - if those 2 disciplines are substituted then whoever in the ladies skates the SP will have to skate the FS as well

 

[skatingiscool]

Based on some other posts 1 from C/B & H/D's rink the US is splitting ice dance (which seems concrete since it came from a rink of the participants) and men (less concrete i think, as far as I know its not come from an official source but media has been saying it) - if those 2 disciplines are substituted then whoever in the ladies skates the SP will have to skate the FS as well

Based on practice notes from Jacky Wong. Karen has landed more 3/3 than Mariah. If I have to choose out of the two, I choose Karen to skate both programs for team event at this point.

Bell: 2A, 2A, 3Lz, 3Lz, 2S, 3S, 3Lo, 3F, 3F, 3F3T(ur,ftdwn), 3Lz(hangs on), 3Lz3T(hangs on), 3F(turn)2T2Lo, 3Lz2T, runthru (3F3T(ftdwn), 3Lo, 3S, 2A, 3F(fall), 3Lz(e?)2T(ftdwn), 2Lz), 3Lz, 3F2T2Lo, 3Lz2T, 3F2T2Lo, 3Lz2T, 3S, 2Lz, 3Lz

Chen: 3Lo2T, 2A, 3S, 3T, 3Lz, 3Lz1T(ftdwn), 3Lz3T, 3Lz3T, 3Lz2T2Lo, 1F, 3F(e?), 0A, 2A2T, 2A3T, 3Lo, 3Lz, runthru (2A3T, 3F(e?), 3S(step), 3Lo, 3Lz(q?)2T2Lo(ur), 1Lz, 3Lo2T)

 

[drivingmissdaisy]

Based on practice notes from Jacky Wong. Karen has landed more 3/3 than Mariah. If I have to choose out of the two, I choose Karen to skate both programs for team event at this point.

Well, there should be more to the selection process than picking the skater who landed two 3-3s in practice instead of one.

 

[Amei]

Based on practice notes from Jacky Wong. Karen has landed more 3/3 than Mariah. If I have to choose out of the two, I choose Karen to skate both programs for team event at this point.

Bell: 2A, 2A, 3Lz, 3Lz, 2S, 3S, 3Lo, 3F, 3F, 3F3T(ur,ftdwn), 3Lz(hangs on), 3Lz3T(hangs on), 3F(turn)2T2Lo, 3Lz2T, runthru (3F3T(ftdwn), 3Lo, 3S, 2A, 3F(fall), 3Lz(e?)2T(ftdwn), 2Lz), 3Lz, 3F2T2Lo, 3Lz2T, 3F2T2Lo, 3Lz2T, 3S, 2Lz, 3Lz

Chen: 3Lo2T, 2A, 3S, 3T, 3Lz, 3Lz1T(ftdwn), 3Lz3T, 3Lz3T, 3Lz2T2Lo, 1F, 3F(e?), 0A, 2A2T, 2A3T, 3Lo, 3Lz, runthru (2A3T, 3F(e?), 3S(step), 3Lo, 3Lz(q?)2T2Lo(ur), 1Lz, 3Lo2T)

Karen has an under-rotation habit though, Mariah has better consistent finishes between her GP events this season (though head-to-head Karen did beat her at IDF, though that was Mariah's first competition this season with the programs), and based on your notes, Karen has popped a few more in practice unless single jumps are now in her BV. Either lady (or Alysa, though she is probably out of the equation given she's not in Beijing at this point) is fine with me, but I think the nod should go the National champ - and it wouldn't surprise me if it went that way, Karen's under-rotations are what cost her the national title, its a domestic event, Feds overlook them all the time so why didn't they get overlooked this time

Edit: apparently 'though' is my favorite word today,

 

[skatingiscool]

Well, there should be more to the selection process than picking the skater who landed two 3-3s in practice instead of one.

Karen has an under-rotation habit though, Mariah has better consistent finishes between her GP events this season (though head-to-head Karen did beat her at IDF, though that was Mariah's first competition this season with the programs), and based on your notes, Karen has popped a few more in practice unless single jumps are now in her BV. Either lady (or Alysa, though she is probably out of the equation) is fine with me, but I think the nod should go the National champ - and it wouldn't surprise me if it went that way, Karen's under-rotations are what cost her the national title, its a domestic event, Feds overlook them all the time so why didn't they get overlooked this time

Mariah has just recovered from COVID. She had symptoms. I don't think USFS should pick lady based on GP results and national championship. I think they should pick whoever is in the best form and has the best practices right now. I root for Alysa but I have a feeling that she is not in peak form right now (Hope she proves me wrong). Karen vs Mariah - I think Karen is better choice. It seems like Karen is in peak form now. She always peak at the right moment.

 

[yume]

Finally, the drama

 

[Amei]

Mariah has just recovered from COVID. She had symptoms. I don't think USFS should pick lady based on GP results and national championship. I think they should pick whoever is in the best form and has the best practices right now. I root for Alysa but I have a feeling that she is not in peak form right now (Hope she proves me wrong). Karen vs Mariah - I think Karen is better choice. It seems like Karen is in peak form now. She always peak at the right moment.

Based on all practice reports Mariah is fine