Kamila Valieva: Anti-doping Case and Follow-ups

[bigsisjiejie]

For those who want to watch the press conference: youtube.com and channel is "IOC Media" and then "Joint IOC & Beijing 2022 Daily Briefing- 11.02.2022". Should be able to replay this if you miss the live. There are different topics interspersed with the figure skating brouhaha, depending on what the journalist at the microphone is querying.

 

[alexocfp]

Also, good luck to the lawyers representing Kamila that has been dragged through the mud for nothing.

Time to shred the IOC once again.

And find out who leaked the results and punish those parties first. Terrible human beings.

 

[Amei]

What a bewildering timeline... Why did it take so long for RUSADA to announce the provisional ban (more than a month of time)? While I'm not surprised that RUSADA lifted the provisional ban (or they would be politically doomed), the IOC's appeal needs to be swift. Though, I'm unclear why the IOC needs to appeal anyway; shouldn't they have jurisdiction over their own event? The ISU will also need to act on this information, now that they know Kamila competed in multiple events with this positive drug test. What a mess all the way around.

The results of the test weren't provided until February 8th

 

[Wafflecakes]

The real answer is that they are elite athletes with elite coaching and elite facilities.

A few micrograms of a drug don’t make you jump quads or even be an elite athlete.

However, a drug that gives you the endurance to do 6 full run throughs a day of new content instead of the normal 1-3 certainly will.

It is, in fact, possible to be helped by BOTH being a great athlete with great coaches AND by PED's.

 

[NaVi]

What a bewildering timeline... Why did it take so long for RUSADA to announce the provisional ban (more than a month of time)?

No, the provisional ban was put into place on February 8th(the day after the Team Event Women's FS) which was the same day the WADA lab reported the results to RUSADA.

 

[Naya]

No, Valieva already used her spot.

Well, the team medal is lost for sure...At this point I can't see Valieva competing in singles. It's hard to believe CAS allowing her to compete after this.

 

[readernick]

Actually, I think it's very interesting the failed drug test occurred rather quickly after RUSADA lost the right to test their own samples. Maybe, there just wasn't enough time for her to get it out of her system after learning of this change. If you have read any of the reports in the past few years, it's clear RUSADA has never been the kind of testing authority that a doping athlete would be afraid of ...

 

[Wafflecakes]

Also, good luck to the RUSADA lawyers.
Time to shred the IOC once again.

And find out who leaked the results and punish those parties first. Terrible human beings.

You are absolutely toxic.

Protect the liars and cheats and punish the honest.

What a terrible dystopia you dream for.

 

[amc987]

That is my interpretation. All in all just bad timing for a lot of people.

IOC is appealing the lifted suspension and says they will get a response by the 15th, which is the day of the ladies SP.

One thing I don't understand is how an athlete's country can lift a ban on a positive doping test, like that power shouldn't sit with the country the athlete represents, like how does WADA think a country would handle it.

You would think that RUSADA would be subject to some kind of sanctions from WADA if it didn't adhere to WADA's standards re: its handling of Valieva's test/suspension.

It's weird that RUSADA lifted the provisional suspension so quickly. They can't have done much investigative work to determine mitigating circumstances or whether there's some other reason Valieva tested positive that wouldn't require a suspension (e.g., maybe it was a false positive; maybe she had an exemption that allowed her to take medication that contained the banned substance; etc.). Does anyone think RUSADA did anything legitimate other than undo the suspension because Valieva is an Olympic favorite days from her event, and disqualifying her would bring shame on the country? The whole situation seems shady.

I hope it gets resolved fairly by the women's short program. If Valieva tested positive and doesn't have a good reason, she shouldn't be able to compete.

 

[alexocfp]

However, a drug that gives you the endurance to do 6 full run throughs a day of new content instead of the normal 1-3 certainly will.

It is, in fact, possible to be helped by BOTH being a great athlete with great coaches AND by PED's.

There hasn’t been one credible doctor who said a few micrograms of a heart drug makes you a better jumper.

Even the vultures admit it doesn’t seem like it gives you any performance edge.

 

[Wafflecakes]

I suppose the Russian Federation will ask for the outcome of its test of its events in the short and free of February 6 and 7, which are the closest to the Event of Teams than the of December 25, to exit negative, Russia maintains His golden, because there is no trace of doping.

But if Test B of December 25 is still positive, goodbye career of Valieva, she will be expelled immediately from China...

That isn't how testing works.

A negative test now does not erase or supersede a prior positive one.

 

[draqq]

The results of the test weren't provided until February 8th

Then I desperately need context in terms of how long it usually takes for a test result to be processed. To a layman like me, more than a month of time to get doping test results seems quite long, particularly when the Olympics would have been more than a month out from Russian Nationals.

EDIT: Like, thinking of US Nationals and drug samples from that competition, if it takes this long, that would mean that we wouldn't get lab test results until pretty much when the Olympics are over?

 

[cheerknithanson]

This thread is turning kind of ugly...

 

[ManyCairns]

....

A few micrograms of a drug don’t make you jump quads or even be an elite athlete.

Oh, come on, it's only a few micrograms at the time of the test. Every drug, every substance of any kind put into anyone's body is subject to pharmacokinetics, and it would be more than a few micrograms before it was processed by the body.

 

[TontoK]

Well if you read the report, they rescinded the ban on the 9th, IOC is appealing that lifted ban. (Why the country that an athlete represents can control an international suspension for a positive doping test is a monumental level of stupid)

Yes, I think that technically she's under no suspension at the moment because the Russians lifted the ban. So, technically, there's no reason she can't practice. This IOC appeal needs to be handled pronto.

The timeline also explains a puzzling question that I've had for a while - why did the Russian fed send an athlete who was under a hint of suspicion to the Games, when they have so many other options? The answer seems to be: they didn't know.

It also explains some of the mindset vibes I'm getting from the Russian press and the fed. Imagine putting your star on the ice and finding out a day later that she had a drug test issue. No matter what others think, I can't imagine they'd have endangered the Team Event if they had known. Of course, they're going to the mat to defend her. They have no other option politically.

The timeline makes it even a greater mess than it was before, and I didn't think that was possible.

 

[alexocfp]

You are absolutely toxic.

Protect the liars and cheats and punish the honest.

What a terrible dystopia you dream for.

Why, because I have a different opinion?

Please show me proof where Kamila lied or cheated.

Also, you told me that “rules are rules” and must be respected, but when RUSADA lifted her suspension, why didn’t you respect the “rules are rules” then?

 

[Wafflecakes]

There hasn’t been one credible doctor who said a few micrograms of a heart drug makes you a better jumper.

Even the vultures admit it doesn’t seem like it gives you any performance edge.

Why take it if it gives no edge?

The doping defense force has no answer for this key question.

....and once again IT DOES NOT MATTER. She and the ROC agreed to not take these drugs. They broke the rules. They suffer the consequences.

It doesn't matter if the agreement was to never drink filtered water. If she agreed to not do so, then did anyways, she broke the rules and will be punished accordingly.

 

[beachmouse]

Actually, I think it's very interesting the failed drug test occurred rather quickly after RUSADA lost the right to test their own samples. Maybe, there just wasn't enough time for her to get it out of her system after learning of this change. If you have read any of the reports in the past few years, it's clear RUSADA has never been the kind of testing authority that a doping athlete would be afraid of ...

Also advances in the anti-doping movement are never announced in advance in hopes of picking up a lot of dopers before they realize the thresholds have changed. If the equipment in the Swedish lab is only a fraction more sensitive than the previous generation gear, that can be enough to pick up athletes who thought they knew just how close to the edge they could get without an outright positive.

 

[Wafflecakes]

Why, because I have a different opinion?

Please show me proof where Kamila lied or cheated.

Also, you told me that “rules are rules” and must be respected, but when RUSADA lifted her suspension, why didn’t you respect the “rules are rules” then?

The IOC IS respecting the rules by appealing to the CAS. Which is exactly what they are doing.


And yes you are toxic. You are openly advocating for the "punishment" of whistleblowers which is a group protected by law in every civilized nation.

 

[fierysky]

Yeah, lets ban those famous dopers Liu and Kihira too, right? This is what you assuming?

Yes let's compare Liu, who has lost her quads since she hit puberty, and Kihira, who literally injured herself out of the competition trying to chase those quads to compete with those other girls. Meanwhile Eteri's camp are pumping out more quads with each day, despite back and leg injuries and crazy competition schedules. Totally comparable.