Kamila Valieva: Anti-doping Case and Follow-ups

[anonymoose_au]

An if it was not for enhancing her performance than what any other reasons can you imagine a cardiac drug is given to a healthy teenager

Well it's possible that whoever gave her the drug didn't realise that such a dose was useless.

I've heard of microdosing but only in the context of naturopaths putting a teeny tiny amount of a drug into water. Science says it doesn't actually do anything, but people do it anyway. The placebo effect is strong, they might actually believe it made Kamila better, but it wouldn't have.

Which makes the whole thing even more awful if that's possible.

 

[Decoder]

There are two items from the ITA report (see OP) that I am curious about:

1. reasoned decision by RUSADA to lift the provisional suspension: what that could be? And how important it might be?
2. Sample B: was it so different from Sample A? I would guess with very high probability the result would be the same, unless Sample A was a false positive, right?

 

[bluemonday]

I don't know why some people sympathize with Kamila. She is definitely a victim of child abuse, but at the same time, she is a beneficiary. She has enjoyed a lot of glory with trimetazidine so far.
This doping case should not be viewed only from the perspective of child abuse. It depends on the existence of Figure Skating as sports.

 

[jen84]

Madisyn Cox also, USA swimmer. But she appealed and get rights to compete after 6 months. The problem with this exact medicine is that lomerizine can give you a false positive test on trimetazidine sometimes.

Hypothetically then it’s possible Kamila was given Lomerizine for say a migraine and that’s what triggered the false test?

 

[reneerose]

I don't understand why the IOC is appealing the ruling. Aren't they supposed to be impartial?

I think the IOC is protecting the integity of the women's competition by their appeal? At least that's what I think they are trying to do. Seems Russia should have been impartial and an outside of Russia entity should have been the one to lift her suspension not the offending banned country itself.

IOC initiates CAS appeal to reinstate Valieva ban

The IOC is appealing to the Court of Arbitration for Sport to reinstate the suspension of Russian figure skater Kamila Valieva after she tested positive for a banned substance, according to the International Testing Agency.

www.espn.com

 

[zanadude]

Well it's possible that whoever gave her the drug didn't realise that such a dose was useless.

Rules are rules, and everyone (or a proxy in the case of a minor) agrees to follow them in exchange for permission to participate in sanctioned events. The time to debate the merit of a particular rule has passed. This is the time to debate whether or not there's been a violation.

 

[PyeongChang2018]

I don't know why some people sympathize with Kamila. She is definitely a victim of child abuse

What is going on, people?

 

[drivingmissdaisy]

There are two items from the ITA report (see OP) that I am curious about:

1. reasoned decision by RUSADA to lift the provisional suspension: what that could be? And how important it might be?

What I think this means is that RUSADA suspended her, her team had some explanation for the result, and RUSADA accepted that as a valid excuse. We'll see what they say soon.

 

[Baron Vladimir]

There are two items from the ITA report (see OP) that I am curious about:

1. reasoned decision by RUSADA to lift the provisional suspension: what that could be? And how important it might be?
2. Sample B: was it so different from Sample A? I would guess with very high probability the result would be the same, unless Sample A was a false positive, right?

About no 2, it can be a false positive yes, if you are taking lomerizine, for migraines. From what i know, trimetazidine is very rarely prescribed for under 18. Also, the athletes who were positive on trimetazidine had very short suspension from competing, but they still had it.

 

[msteach3]

What's heartbreaking is Kamila most likely would still be the same breathtaking skater and champion without enhancing drugs. Shame on the adults that have put her in this horrendous position. They absolutely need to be held accountable.

 

[Decoder]

What I think this means is that RUSADA suspended her, her team had some explanation for the result, and RUSADA accepted that as a valid excuse. We'll see what they say soon.

Yeah I know. I'd like to know that explanation and see how convincing it can be used in this case.

 

[anonymoose_au]

Rules are rules, and everyone (or a proxy in the case of a minor) agrees to follow them in exchange for permission to participate in sanctioned events. The time to debate the merit of a particular rule has passed. This is the time to debate whether or not there's been a violation.

I know, I mean that its doubly awful because the drug in question is banned and it seems at the amount it was found it'd be useless anyway. It was all for nothing.

Kamila didn't need it and probably didn't know about it and now her dream is ruined along with the rest of the Team Event skaters.

 

[moonkat]

They are raising the age limit to 17, but 17 still counts as minor. Where can we petition to make it 18. Either raise it to 18 or don't bother.

THE RULES
‘Protected persons’ and minors ■ A ‘Protected Person’ is an athlete • under the age of 16; or • under 18 and is not included in an RTP and has never competed in any International Event ; or, • who, for reasons other than age, has been determined to lack legal capacity under their national legislation. • A Protected Person is not an elite 16- and 17-year old. ■ A Protected Person who commits an anti-doping rule violation (ADRV) can benefit from more flexible sanctioning rules. ■ A ‘minor’ is an athlete who is 17-years old or younger. ■ As minors, any elite 16- and 17-year old athlete who has committed an ADRV can be exempt from having their sanction made public.

Indeed, Kamila is a breathtaking skater. Not sure she'd be able to do so many quads, but that flexiblility and the beautiful movements would still be there right?

 

[Alex Fedorov]

Now we know why Eteri likes them so young.

More recently, people like you assured that "Eteri likes them so young" due to the fact that at an older age, quadruple jumps become impossible. And because of this, they demanded the introduction of age restrictions. You’d better stop at one of these options, otherwise it’s immediately obvious that for you this whole story is just a convenient excuse

 

[4everchan]

Yeah I know. I'd like to know that explanation and see how convincing it can be used in this case.

I am curious too about that. It's a bold move to lift a doping suspension. A very bold move. The explanation will need to be convincing, but considering the IOC is appealing the lift of the suspension, doesn't it imply they do not buy it?

 

[gsk8]

I understand the speculation, but we don't have all the facts. It might be a long time before we do as there are legal issues involved. ROC will be coming out with a statement soon.

 

[Pereiro]

The International Skating Union (ISU) duly noted the press release issued by the International Testing Agency (ITA) and at this time it has nothing to add other than the below.

The ISU will exercise its right to appeal to the Court of Arbitration for Sport (CAS) the decision of the RUSADA Disciplinary Anti Doping Committee of February 9 to lift the provisional suspension and to ask CAS to reinstate the provisional suspension.

As this is an ongoing legal case, the ISU will not comment further. Any further information will be made available in the form of a statement on the ISU website.

So, ISU will appeal too. Maybe all those folks are exaggerated Lakernik influence after all.

 

[beachmouse]

I just can't fathom why they decided to dose her. She's a phenomenal talent and incredibly hard working.

Did these doses really help? Like why risk it? Were they greedy and wanted to milk as much practice out of her as they could?

It's very horrifying when you think about it

A lot of 'modern' doping is about building endurance to be able to do incredible things and train many hours a day rather than to be able to build lots of muscle. Cycling has long been one of the dirtiest sports out there and a good GC rider has to be very lean and not too tall in order to climb mountains well (Example-Tour de France winner Egan Bernal is 5'8"/172 cm and 132 lbs/60 kilos, may he recover from that awful wreck soon)

 

[Amei]

I think the IOC is protecting the integity of the women's competition by their appeal? At least that's what I think they are trying to do. Seems Russia should have been impartial and an outside of Russia entity should have been the one to lift her suspension not the offending banned country itself.

IOC initiates CAS appeal to reinstate Valieva ban

The IOC is appealing to the Court of Arbitration for Sport to reinstate the suspension of Russian figure skater Kamila Valieva after she tested positive for a banned substance, according to the International Testing Agency.

www.espn.com

Well I blame the IOC, ISU or WADA (whoever is responsible) for giving a country power to rescind a suspension from international competition for their own athletes for a positive doping test.

 

[Jungle2]

They are raising the age limit to 17, but 17 still counts as minor. Where can we petition to make it 18. Either raise it to 18 or don't bother.

THE RULES
‘Protected persons’ and minors ■ A ‘Protected Person’ is an athlete • under the age of 16; or • under 18 and is not included in an RTP and has never competed in any International Event ; or, • who, for reasons other than age, has been determined to lack legal capacity under their national legislation. • A Protected Person is not an elite 16- and 17-year old. ■ A Protected Person who commits an anti-doping rule violation (ADRV) can benefit from more flexible sanctioning rules. ■ A ‘minor’ is an athlete who is 17-years old or younger. ■ As minors, any elite 16- and 17-year old athlete who has committed an ADRV can be exempt from having their sanction made public.

Indeed, Kamila is a breathtaking skater. Not sure she'd be able to do so many quads, but that flexiblility and the beautiful movements would still be there right?

Are we petitioning to raise age limit up to 18 in all sports including gymnastics, diving, snowboarding, skateboarding etc.?