Kamila Valieva: Anti-doping Case and Follow-ups

[skated011]

Exactly, because arguing for it being unintentional or the result of consuming a contaminated product are not
legitimate legal arguments in situations like these if you're attempting to reinstate the athlete back immediately,
sadly even if it's 100% the truth which kinda sucks, but if an argument like that could be made then everyone
could make it and it is impossible to dispute or prove.

Any athlete who find themselves in say the top 20-30 people in their sport internationally should mind
carefully what they put into their bodies, and if they are taking special medications for unconventional
conditions then they should always report them from the get go, because there just is no way to insert
an athlete back straight away if an illegal substance was found in their body without compromising
the integrity of the sport, there has to be at least a cooling period, even if you avoid any charges.

actually it can because it happened in Dec 25. and the tests after that in euros and Olympics were negative. so a ruling of immediate nullification in possible. A minor can also get a provision warning.

 

[doreen95]

Ah, THIS is conspiracy. Ok, i guess.
And what about other replies in this thread?
Right now BASED ON FACTS there are ZERO evidence for DOPING (in a sense of using banned substance to improve results). Like we already see in other cases athlete can test positive without using banned substances (as subproduct of some other drug for example) and in such cases CAS usually go in athlete favor.

But here we already "established" as a fact that not only Kami use doping to improve her performance, but also that all other Russian skaters use it, and "actually" doping is the single and only reason of their performance. But of course all this is "FACTS" and not some weird conspiracy of QAnon-level.

She used a banned substance. Full stop.

 

[Pereiro]

You're moving the goalposts. It's against the rules to use any banned substance, regardless of whether or not the substance enhances, or even detracts from, an athlete's performance. There is ample evidence and confirmation from multiple sources that this has occurred.

Right now there are exactly ZERO sources who confirm that. But in case i missed some news - what source report that Kami actually use banned substance?

 

[Pereiro]

She used a banned substance. Full stop.

She don't use anything as far as we know from OFFICIAL REPORTS

 

[CrazyKittenLady]

She don't use anything as far as we know from OFFICIAL REPORTS

What??? Maybe read the OP gain, ITA definitely is an official source.

 

[Pereiro]

What??? Maybe read the OP gain, ITA definitely is an official source.

Yeah, it is official source - and they said that she tested positive for banned substance. I see difference, and you?
Maybe they made some other statement where they insist that she actually use this substance and i am unaware of it?

 

[skated011]

the only good so far is that Beijing Olympics is restricted and athletes are in a bubble so kamilas harassment won't be that many, and with low audience allowed and viewership in the games only this scandal made the headlines.

 

[doreen95]

She don't use anything as far as we know from OFFICIAL REPORTS

ITA confirmed it: https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2...r-positive-test-winter-olympics-trimetazidine

 

[Mista Ekko]

actually it can because it happened in Dec 25. and the tests after that in euros and Olympics were negative. so a ruling of immediate nullification in possible. A minor can also get a provision warning.

If that will end up being the official decision then that will make a very dangerous precedent.
People will also wonder why such leniency is awarded to an athlete from a country which is
already under increased scrutiny, I'm guessing the minor argument is the one they have been digging into mostly.

 

[Pantsu]

The fact that all other Russian skaters competing in the team event were hiding in their hotel rooms on Wednesday tells the story... they obviously did not know which one of them was caught...

Maybe you should slow down a bit?

 

[skated011]

has Kamilas phone been confiscated.? she needs to train away and isolated from any social media apps.

 

[skated011]

If that will end up being the official decision then that will make a very dangerous precedent.
People will also wonder why such leniency is awarded to an athlete from a country which is
already under increased scrutiny

not only about Kamila. A minor will get lighter ruling check the wada and isu rule.

 

[norwegianfairytale]

I don´t see how this could have a good outcome. Most likely she will be suspended before individuals, if not, she won´t be able to perform at her best because of all the stress around her. Apparently she already had a tough training today, and was hiding her face for the journalist. Who wouldn´t be affected by this? I can´t even imagine what she must feel, she basically had her OGM in her pocket and now everything just turned up side down in a sec.... It´s heartbreaking, and I hope she get´s a lot of help and protection because she is simply a child and i´m not going to put blame on her, but the adults around her. And if she competes and win and the case isn´t closed she will still not be certain the gold, and others could get a medal afterwards but miss the whole olympic experience. Anyway if she competes and win there will be a lot that would not recognize the results so basically every option is sad.

For those of you who try to argument about if it´s PE or not, it really doesn´t matter. As long as the test was positive and it´s a real positive there is no away around the suspending. Athletes have suspended for less serious matters. For example use of lip cream for sunburn who is not PE. Rules are rules.

If it´s true that there could be a false positive test it would be even worse, because Kamilas career is basically already ruined for nothing. On the other hand, it´s likely that they would try to put the blame on this to try cover up if it is actually doping, and I do believe that the instances would not appeal the decision if there was a lot of doubt and I don´t think they should have made a statement about it before they were sure. And there should be rutines to secure for things like this.

 

[Mista Ekko]

not only about Kamila. A minor will get lighter ruling check the wada and isu rule.

she would be completely cleared of any accusation, what I'm saying is it will be a dangerous precedent
to let her keep competing immediately.

 

[Pereiro]

No, she tested positive without using it.
Maybe ufos wanted to killed her and that is why they put a serious cardiac medicine used to cure heart problems in her tea...

Or maybe it was result of the use of a contaminated product, or this possibility is already ruled out?

 

[flanker]

has Kamilas phone been confiscated.? she needs to train away and isolated from any social media apps.

But I guess in this situation she needs a support from a family so she needs a way how to stay in contact.

 

[Autumn Leaves]

You would think that RUSADA would be subject to some kind of sanctions from WADA if it didn't adhere to WADA's standards re: its handling of Valieva's test/suspension.

It's weird that RUSADA lifted the provisional suspension so quickly. They can't have done much investigative work to determine mitigating circumstances or whether there's some other reason Valieva tested positive that wouldn't require a suspension (e.g., maybe it was a false positive; maybe she had an exemption that allowed her to take medication that contained the banned substance; etc.). Does anyone think RUSADA did anything legitimate other than undo the suspension because Valieva is an Olympic favorite days from her event, and disqualifying her would bring shame on the country? The whole situation seems shady.

I hope it gets resolved fairly by the women's short program. If Valieva tested positive and doesn't have a good reason, she shouldn't be able to compete.

My understanding is that Rusada places a temporary ban when the positive result comes until investigation is done. Kamila’s legal team appeals and the temporary ban is lifted so that she could train. Because regardless of the outcome of the investigation, the temporary ban now would practically mean taking her out of the competition. Probably that was the basis of Kamila’s appeal of the ban.

So I don’t read the lifting of the ban as “no problem, she can compete”, but as “let her train until a decision is made”.

Maybe I am wrong, I don’t know, the matter seems complicated enough, but that’s how I understand it.

 

[flanker]

she would be completely cleared of any accusation, what I'm saying is it will be a dangerous precedent
to let her keep competing immediately.

Well either is she guilty or she is innocent. I can't hardly phrase it is a dangerous precedent to be found innocent...

 

[doreen95]

Or maybe it was result of the use of a contaminated product, or this possibility is already ruled out?

What kind of a contamined product can contain traces of a serious _cardiac_ medicine?
I think it is ruled out.

 

[coldblueeyes]

The problem at the moment is definitely not the amount or how often it was used, but as said above, the precedent this decision will open. Allowing a positive outcome in light of a failed drug test will create a justification to any and all further failed drug tests, especially in a high profile case such as this one.

My opinion on this, Kamila is a tainted athlete at the moment, and a time away from the spotlight would do no harm to her. The bet that she could be cleared to compete already backfired, because no matter what happens from now, the general perception has been swayed already.

If it was any other athlete as young as her, they’d step back and work towards another cycle. But we know this is near impossible coming from where she comes.