yes a family or a guardian. I was shocked the walked alone with flashing cameras after her training. she had to cover her face. it's depressing I cant imagine the psychological harassment she is feeling.
Kamila Valieva: Anti-doping Case and Follow-ups
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She decided to compete at the Olympics...
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Well either is she guilty or she is innocent. I can't hardly phrase it is a dangerous precedent to be found innocent...
you should check out Zanadude's post which was the one I was responding to, specifying a former case
of an athletes test showing this substance in her system, which was eventually ruled to be the cause of
a contaminated product, but the athlete still had to face a cooling period of 8 months with her
competition results being annulled, so basically she was cleared of wrong doing but the substances
actually being in her system could not be met with zero consequence.
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Sasha and Anna are nearly 18, the next year they wil be 19, the age Kami will reach in 4 years. And both Sasha and Anna do not look like "this season and then finish".
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I already responded to it above. In time the second decision was made in that case those 8 months have nearly passed (it ended like a week after the decision). So my opinion is that it was a mutual agreement, because if the ban was claimed wrong from the beginning, it would give the athlete the right to sue the agency,. so IMO it is higly probably there was a mutual agreement "the ban will be liften from now on and you won't sue us".
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Of course. This is absolutely possible. All the more reason to give it another go, then.
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That's interesting, It didn't read like that to me, probably because they did in fact annul their competition result,
that is not something that someone who's trying to avoid a lawsuit will do, but rather someone who has
the power in the situation, but I wasn't aware of that case before
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I just want to point out to those of you pointing out that this drug isn't 'proven' to be performance enhancing, it isn't going to ever be PROVEN to be performance enhancing because to prove this you'd have to set up a control group as well as a group of healthy young people who would need to take this DANGEROUS DRUG that can PERMENANTLY IMPACT YOUR HEART. No one is going to get permission for such a study; such a study would be supremely unethical. Therefore yes, the basis on which it is banned is 'theoretical' and based on what the drug is known to do and how it is known to act in the body. They can't very well give it to 3000 healthy people in their teens and 20's and see what happens just to determine if it should be on a banned substance list for professional athletes, when no professional athlete would have any credible reason to use this drug anyway.
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Me too, 100%. Thinking completely of her
And frankly I'm an adult and I would suffer greatly under the same conditions.
I'm sorry but I disagree - ability to compete at a senior standard is not the same as the ability to handle this sort of thing - especially without family around. Frankly, even 20-30 year olds are being placed way out of their depths and being unfairly treated by the media and the public. I'd like to see more protection of athletes/famous people full stop.
People make mistakes. In normal life it's important to weather the consequences and learn. But the disproportionate backlash if you're in the public eye should not be experienced. Many people's lives have been totally tarnished by such events. These are humans...
it's not her fault. the usu rule says 15 she can move into seniors. at least the other journalists had the etiquette to keep quiet. someone posted it's a journalist from daily mail. a tabloid uk newspaper.
Any newspaper publishing things beyond official statements are being highly immoral imo (I would say unprofessional but it seems the journalistic profession is all about this)Not sure this is quite the solution
I think focusing too much on the whole "Russia always dopes" Vs "this is an anti Russia conspiracy" is a bad idea - either way, it inevitably treats an individual's case for its own ends and that person is gonna get hurt. I'm worried this is what ROC are doing - protecting themselves, eventually at the expense of a young individual.
We should be thinking more about how, even if a 15 year old dopes, should their whole career and livelihood go down the drain, both officially and reputationally? It is not inconceivable that she didn't know or was pressured (obviously we don't know at this time). Even if not, the pressure of being a figure skater, especially among the talented Russian girls, may have been related. People should think more about that. For me, it should be ROC or the training camp that should be punished for not doing enough to prevent this. Imo: RusNats should be invalidated, and the person in question given a final warning. Institutional change, not individual blame
I get that she is a minor, but her results are from using a banned substance, and thus unfair to all the clean athletes. According to the article Russian Federation held on to the results of the test well past the time required to provide the results.
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Because further lawsuit takes time, money and you can't always predict the result even if it looks well for you so it is hard to say who "has the power in the situation" (remember the case of O. J. Simpson, he was acquitted at the penal court but later found responsible for killing at the civil court). And for an athlete it distracts from training and all that. That's generally why agreements exist in law.
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Both of this is a lie. And you would know that if you actually was interested in this case, because all details known for this moment are presented in OP post.
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It's still speculation on your part, and sounds less plausible than assuming they just lifted the suspension
because 8 months is enough of a cooling period but all the other punishments are to uphold.
I would imagine a team of athletes backed by the Russian Federation would definitely find the time
to reclaim their achievements if there was any option of doing that.
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Well she wasn't the gold medalist or gold medalist contender. Kamila is in quite different position not just for her own potential but also when it comes to impact on the sport at least in her own country.
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So to clarify, because we're slightly hijacking the thread
, to my claim that it would be a dangerousprecedent to let an athlete who tested positive for a banned substance (even if without their knowledge)
compete with no substantial cooling period, you disagree?
Again, you're changing words around to fit your narrative.
"Actually use" is not the term being used.
And...that's all it has to be to be a violation.
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I personally think that 15 is too young to be competing at the Olympics. The minimum age should be raised.
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The IOC needs to do something as this is ridiculous. It pains me because I like a lot of Russian skaters and it would make me so sad if they couldn’t compete, but it really is not fair on the other athletes. I hadn’t appreciated how far-reaching the doping was in 2014 and that the IOC did nothing about it. There does need to be consequences. If the IOC aren’t able to set-up some sort of independent testing regime for Russian athletes in the run up to the Olympics then a blanket ban probably is necessary. It’s a messed up system where an athlete can test positive for a banned substance and the nation’s own authorities can lift a provisional suspension and let said athlete compete internationally. Of course corruption is going to happen.
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Just an FYI that IOC do have their own independent tests for the Olympics, and as far as I'm aware every figure skater passed those. What we're talking about relates to tests taken for Russian Nationals which obviously are run by Russian officials. That was where a test was failed.
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