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Kamila Valieva: Anti-doping Case and Follow-ups

Amei said:
They had to explain the team event medal ceremony getting postponed. I've heard that everyone was getting ready to go when it had to be postponed. Once that happened there had to be an explanation, I think they tried to delay it as much as possible before it got to the point it could no longer be concealed.
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True. But they should really think of more protective policies. E.g. for the medallists, speak to the individual athletes and President of fed individually and then, for the public, just say "the Team Medal Ceremony has been postponed a week. We appreciate this isn't ideal, but we cannot discuss this matter at this time". Of course, this isn't 100% effective, but it would be better. Then they can release all the information at once in a controlled manner, cutting down the unsubstantiated claims and setting a precedent that doesn't plaster someone's face everywhere. And they maybe could have got her a support system in place: parents/guardians, media training/help, someone to walk through Olympic stadium with, counsellor, etc.

Journalists should have realised it would be detrimental to a human to discuss this in the way they did. As far as I can see, this is being taken seriously, so there's no need for journalism to get involved just yet.

Obvs, if someone can't skate in the individual event, that can't be covered. But it would have given them about a week to determine certain facts and make decisions without throwing people under the bus. Not perfect but better.

Also: constantly talking about "a minor" is just stupid - there was only one minor who it could be, so this was equivalent to naming her...
 
skatedreamer said:
from Reuters:

Good grief. Is it just me or is this basically an admission of cheating from the ROC?

They didn't really need KV to win the team gold, right? They could have sent in another skater for the team event and started working on clearing KV for singles. This way, they've jeopardized the team OGM, traumatized KV by dragging her name through the mud, and made themselves look worse than they do already. Not to mention creating a scandal that takes attention away from the rest of the games. :bang:

And... if KV is allowed to compete in singles and wins, there will always be an asterisk by her name.

www.reuters.com

Teen skater's doping test draws global wrath against Russia

Russian skating prodigy Kamila Valieva's failed drug test prior to her dazzling Winter Games team gold threw the 15-year-old's Olympic future into doubt and reawakened global anger over Moscow's doping history on Friday.
www.reuters.com www.reuters.com
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the problem was the result only came in Feb 8, even if vlieva only skated he sp the team result would still be question. there was no way Kamila would have been left off the team event. no difference if Anna skated the fs. Anna's name would dragged too maybe
 
skatedreamer said:
from Reuters:

Good grief. Is it just me or is this basically an admission of cheating from the ROC?

They didn't really need KV to win the team gold, right? They could have sent in another skater for the team event and started working on clearing KV for singles. This way, they've jeopardized the team OGM, traumatized KV by dragging her name through the mud, and made themselves look worse than they do already. Not to mention creating a scandal that takes attention away from the rest of the games. :bang:

And... if KV is allowed to compete in singles and wins, there will always be an asterisk by her name.

www.reuters.com

Teen skater's doping test draws global wrath against Russia

Russian skating prodigy Kamila Valieva's failed drug test prior to her dazzling Winter Games team gold threw the 15-year-old's Olympic future into doubt and reawakened global anger over Moscow's doping history on Friday.
www.reuters.com www.reuters.com
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Well, easy to think that. The timing is too good. Not only it's during a comp with maximum visibility, so huge scandal insured. But also after a win that involves many skaters. It involves the skating of a whole country. If IOC needed more reasons to be stricter with Russia, there it is.
 
Amei said:
They had to explain the team event medal ceremony getting postponed. I've heard that everyone was getting ready to go when it had to be postponed. Once that happened there had to be an explanation, I think they tried to delay it as much as possible before it got to the point it could no longer be concealed.
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It's a real shame they had to postpone the medal ceremony. This messiness from Russia is denying the US and Japanese athletes their Olympic moment. (And of course Canada if ROC is disqualified.) Not sure if all athletes can afford to stick around for a decision.
 
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icybear said:
Rest assure the Russian will continue to deny it even though it has been officially confirmed. What excuse are they using now. That someone tampered with her urine or that micro traces of trimetazidine must have come from your average food products.
It is sad seeing Kamila name being smeared everywhere in the mainstream media yet the adults who control every inch of her skating can hide in the back and pretend them have nothing to do with this. Kamila will face the stress of humiliation by herself, while Eteri can still take her other 2 skaters into the olympic rink (both probably used the drug Kamila used) and bask in the glory and attention of being the coach of the olympic champion.
I wish there was some way Kamila could walk away with a lenient caution, and Eteri and her coaches to be charged and thoroughly investigated for their doping use. It is high time that she doesnt get to walk away scrotch free and get to be worshipped again by the public. But it is likely the Rus fed themselves will rather sacrifice Kamila and give her up to the WADA and protect Eteri instead.
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this some qanon level eteri conspiracy
 
Ziotic said:
I can’t fathom how some people believe “it was just one test and they are clean now so it should be fine”

Doping, specifically the type she has tested positive for doesn’t work like that.

The drug was used to help in practices, to practice longer and harder than others can, that is the advantage she was given from these drugs. More run throughs thus more consistency.

Since they are taken for practices they have a system that rids their body of the traces before competition.

Now I don’t for a second think she initiated taking these drugs. She may or may not have known what her team was providing but either way she’s a minor so I in no way think she’s responsible for this mess. I also firmly believe the rest of the team is on the same regime.

Unfortunately for Kamilla the formula didn’t work properly and traces remained in her sample.

There is no way she should be allowed to compete in the individual and her Euro title and team medal should rescinded. Otherwise how can it be fair to other competitors who haven’t broken the rules .

All of this is unfortunate for Kamilla as she was just following the instruction provided to her by the adults she trusted.
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And you know this how? You were there during these practices? Do tell.....
 
Martins123 said:
True. But they should really think of more protective policies. E.g. for the medallists, speak to the individual athletes and President of fed individually and then, for the public, just say "the Team Medal Ceremony has been postponed a week. We appreciate this isn't ideal, but we cannot discuss this matter at this time". Of course, this isn't 100% effective, but it would be better. Then they can release all the information at once in a controlled manner, cutting down the unsubstantiated claims and setting a precedent that doesn't plaster someone's face everywhere. And they maybe could have got her a support system in place: parents/guardians, media training/help, someone to walk through Olympic stadium with, counsellor, etc.

Journalists should have realised it would be detrimental to a human to discuss this in the way they did. As far as I can see, this is being taken seriously, so there's no need for journalism to get involved just yet.

Obvs, if someone can't skate in the individual event, that can't be covered. But it would have given them about a week to determine certain facts and make decisions without throwing people under the bus. Not perfect but better.

Also: constantly talking about "a minor" is just stupid - there was only one minor who it could be, so this was equivalent to naming her...
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TBH I think they tried to handle it that way but KV name got leaked when everyone suspected Nikita and his back....
 
skated011 said:
the problem was the result only came in Feb 8, even if vlieva only skated he sp the team result would still be question. there was no way Kamila would have been left off the team event. no difference if Anna skated the fs. Anna's name would dragged too maybe
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Well had the results been known prior to the FS Shcherbakova or Trusova could have skated it, they likely would have won and then the option could have been to DQ Valieva's SP score which would knock Russia down to 64 points and in silver. Currently if they DQ her results it would have to be both programs which would be 20 points and knock Russia off the podium.
 
Amei said:
I honestly think every country should send their samples out of the country, too much incentive for shady things to be done.
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Martins123 said:
True. But they should really think of more protective policies. E.g. for the medallists, speak to the individual athletes and President of fed individually and then, for the public, just say "the Team Medal Ceremony has been postponed a week. We appreciate this isn't ideal, but we cannot discuss this matter at this time". Of course, this isn't 100% effective, but it would be better. Then they can release all the information at once in a controlled manner, cutting down the unsubstantiated claims and setting a precedent that doesn't plaster someone's face everywhere. And they maybe could have got her a support system in place: parents/guardians, media training/help, someone to walk through Olympic stadium with, counsellor, etc.

Journalists should have realised it would be detrimental to a human to discuss this in the way they did. As far as I can see, this is being taken seriously, so there's no need for journalism to get involved just yet.

Obvs, if someone can't skate in the individual event, that can't be covered. But it would have given them about a week to determine certain facts and make decisions without throwing people under the bus. Not perfect but better.

Also: constantly talking about "a minor" is just stupid - there was only one minor who it could be, so this was equivalent to naming her...
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From my understanding, WADA rules state that a positive doping test has to be disclosed immediately to the public. An exception is made for Protected Athletes (including, in this case, a minor). Unfortunately, when Kamila’s name was not released (and with her being the only Protected Athlete on the ROC team), basic process of elimination means it was Kamila. There was simply no protecting her identity when no adult skaters’ names were released. Ironically, this would not be the case if Kamila hadn’t skated both segments. If Anna or Sasha had skated one, nobody would know which minor athlete were the “guilty party”, for lack of a better word.
 
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