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Hmm, can you share this history please? I'm unable to find any proofs. Only 13y old Shabotova's 'chocolate doping'.
Kamila Valieva: Anti-doping Case and Follow-ups
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Now there is only 1 hour until the hearing starts...
I hope the decision will be given as soon as possible on Monday, so that Kamila can know if she is going to compete or not ASAP. Honestly I don´t know how she has been able to motivate herself on training all days these. What a horrible situation.
I hope the decision will be given as soon as possible on Monday, so that Kamila can know if she is going to compete or not ASAP. Honestly I don´t know how she has been able to motivate herself on training all days these. What a horrible situation.
Didn't you see what fabienne1996 write before (twitter link)? "Russian sources close to fed reported that athlets was provided pill boxes at traning camp" - Well, it's obvious that this is doping, not vitamins. Case closed!
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"contraindicated" always applied to dosage, without dosage it has no meaning.
Child endangerment would be using the same physical pill from that package in the same dosage.
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Is the history of the discussion not visible to you?What is the gossip?
now I'm also intrigued
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And with a 15 year old girl suffering immensely emotionally. I thought girls and women were supposed to be cared for and their feelings concerned about and understood like Simone Biles a grown woman last summer? What about KV she's been thrown to the wolves and is a little girl?
Forget about sports for the moment I hope she can recover mentally and come back after her suspension and be spectacular again.
Yes Mista her suspension variables are many.
I think they are going to treat her as a minor but she's almost 16 so is there any chance they will treat her as an adult? The maximum suspension for a minor is 24 months. I think it's a staggering 48 months for an adult athlete who tests positive.
I may not be realistic but I am somehow hoping for no more than a 12 month suspension and preferably preferably a 9 month suspension with follow up investigations that could change the length.
Maybe the people in power will give KV a break but I wouldn't look for them to give the Russian federation a break.
Then read again the description of the medicine: https://www.vidal.ru/drugs/angiozil_retard__13214#hepato
No mention of dosage there. That means that the smallest amount is too much.
And you cannot use the same physical pill twice because it absorbs in the human body...
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Well for you (and some others) it does not, for many ppl (me including) it does.
I do not follow dura Lex, sed Lex. Details are important, not wording.
I do agree with 'do not take it'. The problem appears with unavoidable various incidents.
It's hard to find something more terrible (for me) than a situation where innocent person in the course of the judgement is found guilty for something he haven't done.
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It's in Russian but I'm pretty sure that (if it is normal medicine sold in pharmacies) there is a dosage per pill (how much active substance is in a single pill). All contraindications in the description are applied to a product (a pill) not to a chemical substance.
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Just one accuracy improvement of the known facts:
As for the lifting of the Kamila's original suspension it was not a matter of RUSADA but the Disciplinary Anti-Doping Committee (edit to prevent further discussion: which is an independent body within RUSADA but as the text states without the right of being influenced by RUSADA itself):
As a result of the Agency receiving a request from the representatives of the athlete, on February 09, 2022, a meeting of the Disciplinary Anti-Doping Committee (DAC) was held. On the same day, the DAK decided to lift the provisional suspension, which was notified to the athlete and the relevant anti-doping organizations: the Russian Figure Skating Federation, the International Skating Union, WADA, the IOC and ITA. Please note that DAK is an independent body in its operational activities, created to conduct hearings and make a decision on a possible violation of the rules. RAA RUSADA has no right to influence the decisions made by the committee.
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As for the lifting of the Kamila's original suspension it was not a matter of RUSADA but the Disciplinary Anti-Doping Committee (edit to prevent further discussion: which is an independent body within RUSADA but as the text states without the right of being influenced by RUSADA itself):
As a result of the Agency receiving a request from the representatives of the athlete, on February 09, 2022, a meeting of the Disciplinary Anti-Doping Committee (DAC) was held. On the same day, the DAK decided to lift the provisional suspension, which was notified to the athlete and the relevant anti-doping organizations: the Russian Figure Skating Federation, the International Skating Union, WADA, the IOC and ITA. Please note that DAK is an independent body in its operational activities, created to conduct hearings and make a decision on a possible violation of the rules. RAA RUSADA has no right to influence the decisions made by the committee.
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No one said anything else. Taking the pill itself is contraindicated to children under 18.
But if you go to the description of the chemical substance (TMZ) itself:
https://www.vidal.ru/drugs/molecule/1082
than you can see that the chemical substance itself is contraindicated undeer 18 regardless dosage.
No. But it's not hard to see what we're talking about?Are you..... mad at me
Man, for me, writing in English is a small test every time even with google-translate (google stupid it needs to be edited).
Okey. fabienne1996 link this "Russian sources close to fed reported that athlets was provided pill boxes at traning camp" for fabienne1996 it's definitely means doping. For me it's pathetic spreading of gossip.Where are talking about this. Happy?
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Well that's interesting! If this committee really is independent, I assume the story is correct, I wonder what evidence they saw that made them lift the restriction.
Is this an unusual thing for them to do? If so it must have been compelling?Sorry, what you linked here is not the description of the active ingredient trimetazidine but the description of another medicine (pill) which is accidentally called Trimetazidine.I already wanted to reproach you for inattention, but then I realized that you were looking at a slightly different description. What you are referring to is the instructions for the medicine Angiozil Retard, which contain trimetadizine. But on the same site there is an instruction directly to trimetadizine:
Триметазидин
Триметазидин, таблетки, покрытые пленочной оболочкой, 20 мг. Показания, противопоказания, режим дозирования, побочное действие, передозировка, лекарственное взаимодействие КАНОНФАРМА ПРОДАКШНwww.vidal.ru
scrolling down a bit, you will definitely see this:
"Применение у детей
Применение препарата у детей и подростков в возрасте до 18 лет противопоказано (эффективность и безопасность не установлены)."
translate:
"Use in children
The use of the drug in children and adolescents under the age of 18 years is contraindicated (efficacy and safety have not been established)."
I was indeed inattentive not noticing your second cheating attempt.
The description of the ingredient TMZ can be found here:
Описание ТРИМЕТАЗИДИН показания, дозировки, противопоказания активного вещества TRIMETAZIDINE
Описание активного вещества Триметазидин - дозировки, показания, противопоказания, побочное действие
www.vidal.ru
And is again contraindicates the usage of it for children under 18 without any additional comments.
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I rather try not to make any comments, express any suspicions etc if possible, I rather post only original documents now till the decision (I hope I'll keep by that), because otherwise it is like sinking into the swamp.Well that's interesting! If this committee really is independent, I assume the story is correct, I wonder what evidence they saw that made them lift the restriction.
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Fair enough, it's a highly tense situation.
I hope Kamila is OK and that whatever decision comes through she'll get the support she needs.
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You do understand that it even less convincing than Flat Earth conspiracy, do you? The latter has much nicer looking 'proofs'
And here is the description of the chemical substance itself:
Описание ТРИМЕТАЗИДИН показания, дозировки, противопоказания активного вещества TRIMETAZIDINE
Описание активного вещества Триметазидин - дозировки, показания, противопоказания, побочное действие
www.vidal.ru
It contraindicates the usage of the ingredient per se for children under 18.
That is, the usage of the chemical substance is contraindicted in itself.
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