Kamila Valieva: Anti-doping Case and Follow-ups

[skated011]

You mean Sasha? well either the mistake she's been making all season on the 3A,
but also if she goes for a 2A instead, she would only be in the seventies for both cases if the marks are consistent

no Kamila euros skate is beatable by a clean 5 quad trusova

 

[Mista Ekko]

Someone who has read the report, is this true? Was this part of the defense that was accepted to allow Kamila to skate? If so, besides being sad this is honestly hilarious:

https://twitter.com/_mariaaaa18/status/1493135659778850820?t=FV7-XCRKJXTS4IFsI_g7lg&s=19

There is no mention of that, or of anything of actual importance in their statement,

they're basically just saying that they're avoiding doing anything right now
considering she's a minor and protected and also because due to the circumstances
she didn't have time to create proper defence, but more to come.

 

[Tomadeur]

I understand the frustration with the decision, but I don't think there is any evidence yet that the CAS judgement wasn't right by the rules. With the limited information available I find it difficult to form my own opinion upon the decision, but somewhat I can understand the reasoning and they have to apply the existing rules. Being no expert I still don't know the rules for protected athletes but I could imagine that they favor the athlete more than some would imagine or some would find good regarding the fight against the doping. But the CAS would still have to judge accoriding to these rules.

What I don't understand are the many negative comments towards the IOC on social media and news. I mean the organisation is money-minded and corrupt like non else but the decision to suspend Kamila wasn't in their hands. They did everything possible to reinstate the suspension.

And what I don't understand is the request to raise the age limit. I still haven't read any good argument how this would improve the condition for junior skaters at all. Something must happen, but other steps are much more needed. Only raising the age requirements will delay the much needed change for many years.

 

[readernick]

ask skate boarding first and sky Brown who shouldn't compete at 13.

I agree, She shouldn't. Adults can dope her without consequences.

 

[4everchan]

The news came in during the Free Dance press conference. When it came through and they were asked how they felt, there was a moment of dead silence. Hubbell/Donohue huddled for moment whispering before she said, "No Comment." It seemed like everyone was speechless and thrown off. The vibe was totally ruined for all three ice dancers and the conference ended shortly after.

I can't imagine how this will affect all athletes, including ROC.

Thanks for sharing this. It does affect all the athletes and the sport. These games will probably not be remembered for the great performances of new Olympic champions Nathan Chen, and Papadakis Cizeron (and whoever wins pairs) but will be remembered for a doping scandal involving a child. The athletes probably felt let down by the CAS.

 

[Mista Ekko]

no Kamila euros skate is beatable by a clean 5 quad trusova

If she has a 15 point lead after the SP? I don't think so

But I love Trusova so I hope so

 

[Arriba627]

Just finished watching "Icarus". Love the words at the end " Respect the rules. Play fair. Be clean."...I feel very sorry for Kamila but even more so for skaters like Loena, Wakaba, Kaori, Mariah, Anna from Poland, Yelim, Alysa, etc.

 

[skated011]

If she has a 15 point lead after the SP? I don't think so

If Trusova lands a clean SP she has a chance, Anna was the biggest spoiler her last training were very good but yesterday she seemed off and was crying. but hey never count Anna out, she's the most clutch.

 

[skated011]

Thanks for sharing this. It does affect all the athletes and the sport. These games will probably not be remembered for the great performances of new Olympic champions Nathan Chen, and Papadakis Cizeron (and whoever wins pairs) but will be remembered for a doping scandal involving a child. The athletes probably felt let down by the CAS.

nobody watches ice dnce anyways, ladies is alwaus the figure skatings cream of the crop.

 

[yume]

Well yes but so far in situations of the sort that is what the decision is, and people missed out
on moments in their careers even when they didn't act at all in bad faith, just because banned
substances appeared in their system.

I don't have a statistic on lab errors and I don't see it pointed out anywhere that there's a suspicion of the sort here,
but you can't really assume that here without assuming the lab has made a mistake in every single doping case
that will be brought on.

That's when i repeat your words. It's this way of thinking that keep making innocents punished unfairly.
I don't know, maybe it's because lately i watched too much documentaries about people who lived half of their lives in prison for nothing or waited 5-10 years in prison before trial and were proven innocent
I'm not in team of people who think "the same treatment for everyone!". Nope. It was unfair for Calalang, her bad luck to not be a frontrunner for gold and not having a federation behind her who fight with all her claws. It isn't because she was unfairly treated that all the others have to be.
Kamila will not walk in glory anyway, even if she wins. People won't consider her as the true winner.
And if she's guilty she will have her medals removed and a suspension that will probably destroy her career. Even if it's months later, she will be punished.

 

[Warwick360]

Thanks for sharing this. It does affect all the athletes and the sport. These games will probably not be remembered for the great performances of new Olympic champions Nathan Chen, and Papadakis Cizeron (and whoever wins pairs) but will be remembered for a doping scandal involving a child. The athletes probably felt let down by the CAS.

You make a good point. When people remember 1994 Olympics, most casual viewers will probably fail to remember who won the four events. But they will remember Tonya Harding incident.

 

[anonymoose_au]

There is no mention of that, or of anything of actual importance in their statement,

they're basically just saying that they're avoiding doing anything right now
considering she's a minor and protected and also because due to the circumstances
she didn't have time to create proper defence, but more to come.

But this opens a can of worms because now everyone will want the same treatment.

Jessica Calalang wasn't given time to mount a defence she was just banned and missed Worlds.

And you'll be hard-pressed to find an athlete who when confronted with a positive test will be "Yeah, you got me, my bad." They all deny it too. Why aren't they allowed to compete while mounting a defence?

And if they don't change the rules what message does that give? You can dope kids?

 

[Mista Ekko]

Anyone know when the sample actually got to Sweden?

 

[kan01]

Tell that to the six consecutive downgraded quad flips Anna tried yesterday.

Doesn't matter, in competition, her quads will be scored clean by the judges. Even if they are slightly overrotated triples or clearly UR.

 

[skated011]

But this opens a can of worms because now everyone will want the same treatment.

Jessica Calalang wasn't given time to mount a defence she was just banned and missed Worlds.

And you'll be hard-pressed to find an athlete who when confronted with a positive test will be "Yeah, you got me, my bad." They all deny it too. Why aren't they allowed to compete while mounting a defence?

And if they don't change the rules what message does that give? You can dope kids?

that is the reausung of 17 of age will be passed even the RUSFED will vote for this. Calalang cannot compare her status to Kamila.

 

[anonymoose_au]

nobody watches ice dnce anyways, ladies is alwaus the figure skatings cream of the crop.

Lots of people watch ice dance, they even showed the top 3 dancers here in Australia.

And every sport at the Olympics deserves respect. It sucks that the ice dancers weren't able to enjoy their moment.

I'm also worried that this will result in other skaters turning against the Russian skaters, there'll be a lack of trust in all of them to be clean.

They've also been supportive of Kamila so far, but that will be difficult to maintain if she gets special treatment none of them would.

It's a complete mess.

 

[Mista Ekko]

But this opens a can of worms because now everyone will want the same treatment.

Jessica Calalang wasn't given time to mount a defence she was just banned and missed Worlds.

I agree, this could create major future problems for them.

I wonder if they could face a a retroactive class action of some kind from "less lucky" past athletes.

 

[RatedPG]

Anyone know when the sample actually got to Sweden?

I think I saw a posting of it being received on the 19th of January.

Lastly, the court stated that the “untimely” notification of the test results – which was not Valieva’s fault – prevented her from establishing “certain legal requirements for her benefit.”

 

[LadyB]

nobody watches ice dnce anyways, ladies is alwaus the figure skatings cream of the crop.

I believe there is such a thing as personal preference....

 

[brakes]

This is a small victory on the part of Russian sport. The CAS has proven that it is a fairly impartial body, which takes neither political context nor commercial interests into account - relying solely on legal arguments and the principle of justice, which in this case was on the side of the athlete. The CAS pointed out the imperfection of the World Anti-Doping Code and the anti-doping rules developed on their basis. They emphasized that the issue of suspensions of protected persons had not been regulated properly.

Most importantly, they pointed out that irreparable harm would be done to the athlete if she was not allowed to participate in a personal tournament.As a result, she could either be found completely innocent or given a minimal punishment, but she could no longer be reinstated at the Olympics. A fair decision.

Fair to Kamila, unfair to 29 other competitors.