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Kamila Valieva: Anti-doping Case and Follow-ups

The CAS hasn't made a decision on wheather Valieva is guilty or not. So maybe you should wait until that happened before you call conspiracy theories on the CAS.
Irrelevant. The rules are incredibly clear.

A positive test means you don't compete. There are not exceptions built into the rule.

The CAS has chosen to ignore that rule. To pretend that they are going to give the rest of the hearing a fair shake is wishful thinking.
 
It's so sad to see you two, of all people, triumphing and gloating over the fact Anya and Sasha are about to take up this unfair and unjust fight in the most important tournament of their lives. It's like you have wiped your shoes on their life-long honest effort and aspirations. 😔

First I lost faith in my favourite coach in figure skating, now in my two favourite people in this forum. Tough time. 🥺
This is going far.
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For long time fans: Is this bigger than the whole Tonya/Nancy thing? 😬
No. That reached so far out of sports that it was a cultural phenomenon that people still reference in casual conversation today. I remember how mad Tonya was when Obama made a joke about it.

I was 6 at the time and in a non-sporting family. Even I was vaguely aware of it and what was going on.

At the time the ladies skate was one of the highest rated TV moments of all time, even beating out Super Bowls. It had 126 million viewers domestically.... almost half the entire population of the US.
 
Even the 2 athletes thus far who have successful argued that TMZ entered their system through contaminated products received suspensions.

As far as Valieva giving a flimsy excuse now, I will say that Madisyn Cox claimed she ingested TMZ via tap water before it was shown she could have ingested it from her multivitamin. Even then she still received a suspension. That multivitamin was even on her doping control form which makes me wonder what's on Valieva's doping control form.

Most likely Rusfed internal laboratory analyzed Kamila's urine the same day, discovered trimetazidine, hence didn't prioritize official sample hoping Swedes won't make it before Olympics. Unfortunately for them, Swedes did make it.
If they did this then surely they would have spent the time helping her come up with an alibi. Something like a recall of some sports product for being tainted with TMZ.

I think Valieva's best shot is to argue TMZ usage have had to have been chronic for her to have intentionally used it for doping. If hair analysis didn't show chronic usage it would be evidence of accidental ingestion.


esanum: Professor Kintz, why is hair analysis booming among athletes?

Prof. Kintz: Hair analysis is a technique frequently used in toxicology to detect drugs, pharmaceuticals or environmental contaminants. In forensic medicine, this technique has been recognised since 1995. It was originally used in cases of murder or rape under the influence of subtances. Now, some countries will only return a suspended driver's licence if the results of a hair analysis are presented to prove that the driver has not recently used cannabis or cocaine.

In my laboratory, we apply this forensic technique in several areas, including doping. Athletes who test positive use it to support their defence. They come mainly from Anglo-Saxon countries, where the legal system is based on adversarial proceedings. The burden of proof is on the accused to show that they are innocent.
If the athlete proves that he or she was accidentally contaminated by a product, and if they can prove its origin, then the anti-doping authorities pronounce a "no fault" and there is no sanction. A hair analysis costs only two to three thousand euros, a small amount compared to a lawyer's fees. To defend cyclist Christopher Froome [who was cleared by the World Anti-Doping Agency after testing positive for salbutamol in 2017], his team and sponsors paid 7.5 million euros in the legal case. This is unthinkable for lesser known or independent athletes.

The first time I used this technique at the request of a sportsman was in 1997. The Olympic judoka champion Djamel Bouras tested positive for nandrolone, an anabolic steroid. There was a scientific controversy about the fact that he could produce it naturally. For my part, I did not find any nandrolone in his hair. The initial sanction - a two-year suspension - was reduced to fifteen months. But it is since the Gasquet case in 2009, that the technique of hair analysis is really recognised by the international Court of Arbitration for Sport (CAS, also known as the Tribunal Arbitral du Sport or TAS].

Since then, demand has boomed. I now carry out around ten analyses of this type every month. Very few laboratories in the world are capable of doing them, and even fewer know how to detect the presence of SARMs [Selective Androgen Receptor Modulators are anabolic agents, such as ligandrol or ostarine]. But it is mainly these substances that are looked for.

We can also detect diuretics used to mask the intake of a doping product. They favour the urinary elimination of this product, often an anabolic, or increase blood retention, which lowers the urinary concentration. Some hormones, erythropoietin (EPO) or growth factors are undetectable in the hair. These molecules are too large to pass from the capillaries to the follicles. If diuretics are detected, this may indicate an attempt to mask them. If not, it is an exculpatory element for the athlete.

esanum: When is this test relevant?

Prof. Kintz: Hair analysis is valuable when urine analysis shows almost nothing - either because the amount of substance in the body is small or because it has been consumed for a long time - but especially when the concentration measured is uninterpretable. In these borderline cases, hair analysis can help. Each centimetre of hair represents what has circulated in the body during the corresponding month: if the substance is clearly found in it, this indicates chronic and long-standing consumption, and therefore reinforces the hypothesis of doping. If there is nothing in the hair, then accidental contamination is supported.

How can an athlete unintentionally have a doping substance in the body? Two scenarios are possible. Firstly, they could have ingested the product without their knowledge. Doping substances have already been found in meat or toothpaste. The same applies to certain diuretics which are prohibited by the anti-doping authorities because they "mask" the use of doping products. Traces of these diuretics can be found in medicines that are authorised. Second scenario: the athlete has unintentionally been impregnated with a prohibited product, either through contact with a person who regularly consumed it - this is known as "cross-contamination" - or because he or she has been exposed to "environmental" contamination.

Several cross-contaminated athletes have been cleared by hair analysis. Examples include world pole vault champion Shawnacy Barber, who was able to compete in extremis in the 2016 Olympics after being suspected of doping with cocaine, and Laurence Vincent-Lapointe, 11-time world canoe champion, whose urine analysis revealed the presence of ligandrol, an SARM.

Very recently, three female athletes with abnormal urine results were given a "no fault". They had a very low concentration of the substance or its metabolites in their urine and a negative hair analysis. They were also able to prove that their partners had consumed the substance, which we confirmed by analysing their hair. In all these cases, hair analysis supported the hypothesis of cross-contamination.
According to this, hair analysis can detect everything but hormones.


All prohibited substances but hormones should be detectable in hair
 
But even Maria got suspended?

I just think it makes no sense, has a minor in a sport never been caught doping before? I suppose not since it's a really f-ed up thing to do, so not many people would.

I just don't get it... I mean Caster Semenya must be furious as well, as I previously mentioned she has naturally high testosterone, but CAS's decision was that she should take hormone-blockers to bring it down to be able to compete? How is that fair? Too bad they didn't discover it when Caster was under 16 I guess.
I think the main problem here is still not that Kamila is underage, but that the results of the doping test done in December came already when she was at the Olympics and had time to pass a new test, which showed nothing . And since, as I understand it, there was no such precedent before, a confusing situation has developed.
 
For long time fans: Is this bigger than the whole Tonya/Nancy thing? 😬
honestly, to me yes... because
1) it involves doping which is really something i have a hard time with
2) it involves a minor
3) it's happening right at the olympics not prior.

But keep in mind I am not American. The one thing that pissed me off was the shoelace messing up pretty Josée Chouinard's timing and stealing her olympic moment... but by then, less people cared about that because Tonya had not had a great SP
 
I think the main problem here is still not that Kamila is underage, but that the results of the doping test done in December came already when she was at the Olympics and had time to pass a new test, which showed nothing . And since, as I understand it, there was no such precedent before, a confusing situation has developed.
no it's clearly about age. Testing is not 1-2-3 strikes you are out... it's 1 positive test, you are suspended until your hearing is done and the length of the ban confirmed. One can appeal it, which Kamila will have to do... and she could still be excluded. The negative tests are just smoke and mirrors... that has nothing to do with it.. I believe it's just there to calm people down so she truly gets the benefit of the doubt when competing instead of being called a cheater. If they are letting her compete, they hope she gets a fair chance.

The only detail though : if Kamila had tested positive again at the games, then the IOC could have excluded her. I think that's where the IOC couldn't act as tests outside the olympics are not their jurisdiction (IIRC)
 
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But even Maria got suspended?

I just think it makes no sense, has a minor in a sport never been caught doping before? I suppose not since it's a really f-ed up thing to do, so not many people would.

I just don't get it... I mean Caster Semenya must be furious as well, as I previously mentioned she has naturally high testosterone, but CAS's decision was that she should take hormone-blockers to bring it down to be able to compete? How is that fair? Too bad they didn't discover it when Caster was under 16 I guess.
My point was not about the results of the Maria Sharapova decision, it was about the fact that an arbitrator was chosen who historically had defended dopers and would be prone to being lenient in this case. And ITA agree with you about Caster. And Sha'karri Richardson was robbed of her Olympics (by the country she represents) because she had smoked weed (which enhances nothing but ones appetite). I have a solution, just let everyone who wants to dope, dope and sports as we know them will become meaningless. I for one will watch the ladies event up to the point where Eteri's skaters compete. And I will consider the 4th 5th and 6th place skaters the winners.
 
Since ISU won´t do the medal ceremony, 25 skaters will be qualified for the FS, no flower ceremony and so on - it seems they really don´t agree with CAS decision all though they have accepted CAS decision. It´s just so weird, "she will be allowed to compete, but we don´t really accept the results so we just do everything to diminish the damage to make it better for the other athletes"

Somehow, this is still not in Kamilas best interests. She is kinda the reason there is no medal ceremony, no flower ceremony and so on. I´m not sure they are protecting and doing her the best, all though this is not her fault, this should be put on the responsible adults, she could still be feeling the guilt of how the womens even is destroyed.....
 
Since ISU won´t do the medal ceremony, 25 skaters will be qualified for the FS, no flower ceremony and so on - it seems they really don´t agree with CAS decision all though they have accepted CAS decision. It´s just so weird, "she will be allowed to compete, but we don´t really accept the results so we just do everything to diminish the damage to make it better for the other athletes"

Somehow, this is still not in Kamilas best interests. She is kinda the reason there is no medal ceremony, no flower ceremony and so on. I´m not sure they are protecting and doing her the best, all though this is not her fault, this should be put on the responsible adults, she could still be feeling the guilt of how the womens even is destroyed.....
to me: the CAS is protecting Kamila and I can see reasons to do so but I disagree anyways... the IOC does what it thinks is fair to the other athletes. They will at least have a special ceremony for the winners when the situation is cleared out... unlike the athletes who receive their medals in the mail years after the games when samples are tested with newer technology...
 
to me: the CAS is protecting Kamila and I can see reasons to do so but I disagree anyways... the IOC does what it thinks is fair to the other athletes. They will at least have a special ceremony for the winners when the situation is cleared out... unlike the athletes who receive their medals in the mail years after the games when samples are tested with newer technology...
Maybe because of the situation and social media, they WILL make a big fuss of the medal winners after this is dealt with?
 
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